Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Shien isn't broken. Shien is making the meta better. I think it was Grav who said it; meta needs more Shien/Spell Cancellor and Solemn(or soemthing along those lines).Obviously you people don't understand what you read. Shien protects the meta? Okay. That's all fine and dandy. What about the mainly used cards for the Meta that people use which we are currently using him to block with? Where did those go? As far as the listed cards fro Grav...Eliminator: Nobody uses itKinetic: Easily destroyed or Solemn'd' date=' and then combo can be restarted later if you do manage to break it. Crab: Unlimited cards don't need to be searched nearly as much. And Torrential is limited. So that's not much of an argument.[/quote'] Your opponent is more likely to have Torrential or Mirror Force (2 per deck together) than you are to have Grandmaster + Shien + another Samurai.You also can't revive a Torrential Tribute or a Mirror Force. You can revive a Samurai and Shien. And Grandmaster helps to just put the combo back together when he is destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Shien isn't broken. Shien is making the meta better. I think it was Grav who said it; meta needs more Shien/Spell Cancellor and Solemn(or soemthing along those lines).Obviously you people don't understand what you read. Shien protects the meta? Okay. That's all fine and dandy. What about the mainly used cards for the Meta that people use which we are currently using him to block with? Where did those go? As far as the listed cards fro Grav...Eliminator: Nobody uses itKinetic: Easily destroyed or Solemn'd' date=' and then combo can be restarted later if you do manage to break it. Crab: Unlimited cards don't need to be searched nearly as much. And Torrential is limited. So that's not much of an argument.[/quote'] The mainly used cards in this format are Spell cards. These Spell cards are used in DAD, DDT, and Explosion. Dropping Shien to 1 makes DDT, DAD, and Explosion go = ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Ban Spell Canceller. Unlike Shien, it prevents the use of Spell cards completely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Shien isn't broken. Shien is making the meta better. I think it was Grav who said it; meta needs more Shien/Spell Cancellor and Solemn(or soemthing along those lines).Obviously you people don't understand what you read. Shien protects the meta? Okay. That's all fine and dandy. What about the mainly used cards for the Meta that people use which we are currently using him to block with? Where did those go? As far as the listed cards fro Grav...Eliminator: Nobody uses itKinetic: Easily destroyed or Solemn'd' date=' and then combo can be restarted later if you do manage to break it. Crab: Unlimited cards don't need to be searched nearly as much. And Torrential is limited. So that's not much of an argument.[/quote'] The mainly used cards in this format are Spell cards. These Spell cards are used in DAD, DDT, and Explosion. Dropping Shien to 1 makes DDT, DAD, and Explosion go = ]What are the most important cards to Explosion, DAD, and DDT?Because I believe I got rid of them :/ Spell Canceler: No need. Too low ATK, and does not prevent traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion. Magical Explosion doesn't need DaD, or Dimension Fusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion. Magical Explosion doesn't need DaD' date=' or Dimension Fusion.[/quote']Really? All of those decks need Magical Explosion? Oh, and what exactly was it that made Magical Explosion a usable card this format? I don't remember so well apparently. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 This is the "draw your entire deck" format. Once you get 40 spells into your grave, (or 20 spells, and 2 Magical Explosions) it's GG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 If you're implying that banning Dimension Fusion kills Magical Explosion...it doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 This is the "draw your entire deck" format. Once you get 40 spells into your grave' date=' (or 20 spells, and 2 Magical Explosions) it's GG.[/quote']Just realized when I looked back at some of the recent winners. Either way, banning Chaos and Dimension Fusion has weakened it a little if not anything else. Perhaps we should think up a way to change the "Dump and draw until you win" system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 If you're implying that banning Dimension Fusion kills Magical Explosion...it doesn't. Doesn't it slow down the Cyber Valley Loop though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 If you're implying that banning Dimension Fusion kills Magical Explosion...it doesn't. Doesn't it slow down the Cyber Valley Loop though?Haven't seen anyone use the continuous loop, but for those that would it does.As far as just a plain loop: Yes, a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSceptile Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 If you're implying that banning Dimension Fusion kills Magical Explosion...it doesn't. Doesn't it slow down the Cyber Valley Loop though? Yeah' date=' but Explosion can still survive without Valley Loop. Just kill Magical Explosion, it's [b']too[/b] easy to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 I've got to go shower. You guys keep discussing xP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion can only be used in OTKs that require basically skill; you just play whatever cards you have until you win. Ban Explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion can only be used in OTKs that require basically skill; you just play whatever cards you have until you win. Ban Explosion.How about I just write it as a limited? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion can only be used in OTKs that require basically skill; you just play whatever cards you have until you win. Ban Explosion.How about I just write it as a limited? lol Explosion can easily be retrieved from the graveyard. Limiting it makes it a second turn kill instead of a first turn kill. Ban Explosion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion can only be used in OTKs that require basically skill; you just play whatever cards you have until you win. Ban Explosion.How about I just write it as a limited? lol Explosion can easily be retrieved from the graveyard. Limiting it makes it a second turn kill instead of a first turn kill. Ban Explosion.While we're at adding to the list, what do you think of Demise OTK? There's the following cards to stop it:Drastic Drop OffMind CrushWabokuRainbow LifeNeko Mane King (If they wipe it out o.O) And I believe a bit more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion can only be used in OTKs that require basically skill; you just play whatever cards you have until you win. Ban Explosion.How about I just write it as a limited? lol Explosion can easily be retrieved from the graveyard. Limiting it makes it a second turn kill instead of a first turn kill. Ban Explosion.While we're at adding to the list' date=' what do you think of Demise OTK? There's the following cards to stop it:Drastic Drop OffMind CrushWabokuRainbow LifeNeko Mane King (If they wipe it out o.O) And I believe a bit more.[/quote'] A card counters it! That means it's legal to run in 3s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Magical Explosion can only be used in OTKs that require basically skill; you just play whatever cards you have until you win. Ban Explosion.How about I just write it as a limited? lol Explosion can easily be retrieved from the graveyard. Limiting it makes it a second turn kill instead of a first turn kill. Ban Explosion.While we're at adding to the list' date=' what do you think of Demise OTK? There's the following cards to stop it:Drastic Drop OffMind CrushWabokuRainbow LifeNeko Mane King (If they wipe it out o.O) And I believe a bit more.[/quote'] A card counters it! That means it's legal to run in 3s!1. Never said that.2. That's the logic everyone else is using :/3. Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravitize Me Cap'n! Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Let's bring back Pot of Greed and Graceful. Solemn stops it. Come to think of it, use my banlist because Solemn stops it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Let's bring back Pot of Greed and Graceful. Solemn stops it. Come to think of it' date=' use my banlist because Solemn stops it.[/quote']I didn't say anything like that at all. And I didn't even said that we shouldn't care about it. I was just making sure that everybody had an idea of both sides, and not just "Demise beet mi dek :[" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanderTheGreat Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Limiting Shien is stupid. If you want to ban/limit something used strictly in Six Samurai decks, ban/limit Grandmaster. Explosion deserves a ban. Leaving Monster Reborn untouched is stupid. Bringing back Victory Dragon, even at one, is STUPID. Card of Safe Return at two is stupid. Leave it at three, or ban it outright. I say we ban it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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