Do I Have Everybody's Attention Now?

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

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Do I have everybody's attention now?

It has come to my attention that RC is sucking even more than usual lately. You see, this place has standards. That's why it's called realistic cards. And the standards, don't just encompass Cards, but they also regulate the quality of reviews and comments. If you don't like it, you can get the hell out and bugger off to AoC. However. It appears that standards are thrown out of the window, and that drives me up the wall. If I were to make an example, I would point right at any thread in RC right now, but for this special time, I'll show it. I'm done with making vague comments. Something needs to be made clear.






And so on. These are not reviews worthy of RC. Let's see, shall we, what the rules say, hmm?



There you go. "Oh," I hear you shout. "What does that mean?" Well, random user with a really low attention span, all you have to do is click a few inches up and here you go:



Yeah. There you go. Oh, and last I checked, the example reviews are from members with well over 100 posts and the cards have way, way longer text than that, so don't even argue. Also, OCG fixes DON'T COUNT. They don't add up towards the minimum word quota.

I'm... I'm angry. Why am I angry? Because I wrote about how to deal with this. I made the RC guide specifically to help people have a better time in RC, while still following the rules. Aix (or Zextra, idk), put up a notice telling you all to go read the guides, yet reviews like those keep popping up on a daily basis.

Now, I'm not a mod, so I can't really jump in and drop warnings to everybody who disobeys the rules, so the best I can do are posts like this. RC, you either adapt or perish. I really hate reporting posts because it takes a long time to actually sort out, and with only one mod at the helm, it might be a bit too much to handle. So, I urge you. Please, please start following the rules. That's all I have to say. This has been a PSA from your friendly neighborhood shoujo Toyo.

[J-Max]

I wholeheartedly agree. Some of the members have the attention span of a Goldfish though and will probally scan the effect quickly and look at the pretty picture. I also agree that OCG Fixes do not count as the CnC on a card.

[Trebuchet MS]

I think I went through this phase for a bit, especially after learning about PSCT. But I normally lore-shark in order to properly read through the card (rather than skim over it) and understand, to the best of my ability, what the card maker intended the cards to do.

 

If, in any case, the card's text causes confusion, a good habit is to raise questions about it to try and understand what the card maker wants the card to be able to do in the situations you bring up. Of course, raise all your questions in a single post. The card text itself should clarify most general-situation detail: what its targets and costs are, how long till the effect expires, etc. Rulings exist to clarify obscure interactions with specific cards or under specific conditions, but not to clarify things like "this action is a cost" or "this effect targets".

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

I'm not really doing this because of OCG fixes. The quality of reviews in general has been pretty bad lately, though jackassess only putting OCG fixes make it even worse.

I can see why you would want to fix OCG, I really do, but for the love of god, please actually offer some constructive criticism instead of just fixing it.

[CrowCardMaster]

I see where your coming from, I hate posting something and someone just say 'could have done better this sucks' or 'oh this is cool id use it :3' im ashamed to say I have done it because im to scared to say anything to get negoblasted about what im saying is wrong and i know nothing of RC or yugioh in general. 

I also dont like having my OCG just fixed, granite i do like the fix its what I was 40% looking for but i want people to explain why they fixed, liked, or disliked my card...I also dont like people just skipping over my card but thats a diffrent subject. 

 

But ALSO i dont wanna go look at a card read it and go to post a reply and i have to read 10 5 paragraph essays (over exaggerated) because im kinda picky about reading before I comment

[Poisoned Simochi]

This would really discourage people from commenting on someone else's thread.

even now there's basically no comments to most threads, and this stupid [comment length=effect length] rule would ruin it even further.

When you're making a card, you want to see ALL opinions in your thread, not just those who sit down and write essays; you want to hear what everybody has to say, whether it's short or long.

And honestly I'm not all that interested in "reviews", I want to hear someone pointing out something that provokes thought on the card, for example a combo I might've not thought of, or so on. that's it.

although every type of comment is welcome.

The only real limit this section needs is for card quality, and I have no idea if it's even possible..

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

This would really discourage people from commenting on someone else's thread.
even now there's basically no comments to most threads, and this stupid [comment length=effect length] rule would ruin it even further.
When you're making a card, you want to see ALL opinions in your thread, not just those who sit down and write essays; you want to hear what everybody has to say, whether it's short or long.
And honestly I'm not all that interested in "reviews", I want to hear someone pointing out something that provokes thought on the card, for example a combo I might've not thought of, or so on. that's it.
although every type of comment is welcome.
The only real limit this section needs is for card quality, and I have no idea if it's even possible..

f you don't like it, you can get the hell out and bugger off to AoC.

See, this would only discourage morons from commenting on your thread. Morons with the attention span of goldfish who look at the pretty picture and give your card 10/10. If you're fine with that, good job. You're happy with empty praise. I want to see good opinions when I make a card, and I'm sure many others reflect that sentiment as evidenced by the six reps I got. Also, do you even realize how badly you're contradicting yourself?

You're not interested in reviews, yet you want to hear someone giving a thought-provoking comment on your card? That's what CnC is! You can't get good comments without rules! The AC was applied exactly because of idiots write one-sentence reviews that barely say anything constructive.

The mindset of RC has always been Quality > Quantity. I'm happy with that.

[Poisoned Simochi]

See, this would only discourage morons from commenting on your thread. Morons with the attention span of goldfish who look at the pretty picture and give your card 10/10. If you're fine with that, good job. You're happy with empty praise. I want to see good opinions when I make a card, and I'm sure many others reflect that sentiment as evidenced by the six reps I got. Also, do you even realize how badly you're contradicting yourself?

You're not interested in reviews, yet you want to hear someone giving a thought-provoking comment on your card? That's what CnC is! You can't get good comments without rules! The AC was applied exactly because of idiots write one-sentence reviews that barely say anything constructive.

The mindset of RC has always been Quality > Quantity. I'm happy with that.

No, I didn't contradict myself at all. I said I want all types of feedback, the more, the better. and that "reviews" can sometimes be less important to you than someone who pointed out something brilliant without reviewing your card. these reviews, that people have to sit and review all aspects of your card like it's some essay, are less meaningful than short and focused comments.

Obviously some feedback is more welcome the the other but in the end all feedback relfects how people see your card which is what's important.

Those rules are ridiculous and most of the reps you got were probably because you wrote a long, well phrased and very persuasive thread, it persuaded people.

Morons? are you like real..? if they comment short feedback it makes them morons? not all short comments are [10/10 amazing], those specific comments can be ignored.

 

Difference between AOC and RC is and SHOULD be by card quality alone. let people decide the feedback they wanna get themselves.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

I can't even... Persuasive...? What the fuuu... Long, detailed and well-made reviews are less meaningful than short ones?

Are you for realzies? Do you not want any quality control at all?

[J-Max]

I left a Like because I 100% agree with what Toyo was saying. I didn't care how it was typed. As long as someone gives thoghtful helpful advice WITHOUT typing a completely different effect (I have had this happen to me and it annoys me as I made my own effect) then I am more then happy to listen. Before quality control came in (This was just before myself and Icyblue became Mods) It was always "Great Card 10/10" Yeah it made the person feel good but it was hollow. My cards recently have had some very helpful advice that I have been grateful for and have taken most of it into account.

 

We are not asking for a essay on the effect, see what has been happening in 1on1? More like that in RC. Just helpful advice is welcomed. If you like the card then leave a nice compliment explaining how good it is rather then "10/10 awesome cardz"

[Poisoned Simochi]

I can't even... Persuasive...? What the fuuu... Long, detailed and well-made reviews are less meaningful than short ones?

Are you for realzies? Do you not want any quality control at all?

You're mixing all I wrote together and missing the point,

Persuasive? obviously the original post, people read a well written opinion of someone who knows what he wants, tend to agree and give a rep, I don't know why you're so surprised.. it still doesn't make you all more right.

 

 

Long, detailed and well-made reviews are less meaningful than short ones?

How does this even fit what I said? I made a distinction between long reviews, they review each aspect of the card and it's all nice but in the end a short, original and thought provoking comment can do all the difference.

 

Do you not want any quality control at all?

jesus, do you read? card quality control yes, comment quality control for nasty cases and for everything else - no. why filter short but sane comments?

 

@kawaii: I never supported "10/10 great cardz" comments, I'm saying that length is no factor and this strict ruling is no answer, as a person can just do a the difference with a focused, short, yet orignal and thought provoking comment. which is not that hard to achieve.

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

Yeah but if you get a long, detailed review you would have a better understanding of how card making works, and how you can better yourself next time. You're still preferring a short 1 sentence review over that?

Quality control should just be on cards? We've nailed that part already. There are people over here who spend time and effort carefully designing their card so seeing someone else put time and effort into reviewing them makes them happy.

Here's an example. Would you rather listen to several people pointing out a flaw in your card in only one sentence, no explanation why it's flawed and no explanation how to fix it or would you rather listen to one guy who points out a flaw, says why it's a flaw and then gives you an example on how to remedy the flaw?

The AC was made to deal with 10/10 amazeballs cards, but it also provokes more intelligent and constructive comments.

[Poisoned Simochi]

Yeah but if you get a long, detailed review you would have a better understanding of how card making works, and how you can better yourself next time. You're still preferring a short 1 sentence review over that?

Quality control should just be on cards? We've nailed that part already. There are people over here who spend time and effort carefully designing their card so seeing someone else put time and effort into reviewing them makes them happy.

Here's an example. Would you rather listen to several people pointing out a flaw in your card in only one sentence, no explanation why it's flawed and no explanation how to fix it or would you rather listen to one guy who points out a flaw, says why it's a flaw and then gives you an example on how to remedy the flaw?

The AC was made to deal with 10/10 amazeballs cards, but it also provokes more intelligent and constructive comments.

I prefer all types of feedback, some people would point out the flaw in a creative manner, or point out a combo you didn't think of and go, others will explain the problem, present ways to deal with it.

All is welcome, as long as not stupid; length is of no factor.

[Excalibur the Divine]

How are OCG fixes bad? They follow advanced clause...

[宇佐見 蓮子@C94]

How are OCG fixes bad? They follow advanced clause...

Short answer: they don't.

[J-Max]

How are OCG fixes bad? They follow advanced clause...

Because just leaving a OCG fix (or a redone effect) and walking off leaves a smug superiority aura about the person who did it. If they are correcting OCG then there must be other things that they do not like or want to praise the Card Maker for. They need to elaborate.....

[Slinky]

Because just leaving a OCG fix (or a redone effect) and walking off leaves a smug superiority aura about the person who did it. If they are correcting OCG then there must be other things that they do not like or want to praise the Card Maker for. They need to elaborate.....

 

I wouldn't go this far.

 

Just leaving OCG fixes USUALLY means 1 of 2 things:

 

1) Said person is an asshole. Like you said, only purpose is to invoke a superiority complex or to satisfy trolling needs.

2) Said person found no issues worth bringing up except from the way the card was worded. Granted, you should still say you found no issues with it before posting the fix.

Generally, you can tell which one it is based on the personality of the person (if they've been around for a while), but that isn't so easy with the newer users.

 

(on a more general note)

As for actual word count:

Personally, word count really shouldn't be a requirement for reviews. Not everyone is as literate as say you or I, and would be incapable of meeting this "requirement". (Examples would be children or preteens, or foreigners who are still learning our language).

Other players are also from a Casual standpoint instead of a competitive one, and would have no idea what kind of impact the card would make.

 

Basically, in a nutshell. Review size SHOULD NOT MATTER, so long as they made a clear attempt at trying to perform a legitimate review.

[CrowCardMaster]

I was totally fine till I read some more of what you said Toyo....some people dont want long reviews im not saying one or two is bad but to say if your gunna say something right a review...thats just not what people want the vast majority dont want to spend 3 minutes reading something thats as long as the card effect they just read. I mean maybe one but not 10. 

 

Im still saying its not totally a bad thing but if all comments, heck if even half the comments were reviews...well you shouldve just bought a magazine about yugioh cards. 

 

Not trying to rip on you just stating what i think :'(

[Zauls]

I also agree with everything except the thing about post length. What if somebody has posted a card and people have already commented and reviewed it but you just want to add something else that they didn't include in their review? It would still be constructive and helpful and it shouldn't be discouraged. Basically, post length shouldn't matter and should definitely not be controlled, as long as you are being helpful and achieving the purpose of the RC section. 

 

IMO, the RC section should take a leaf from Smogon's Create-A-Pokemon project, where groups of people get together and create custom Pokemon to fill a specific role in the metagame and that would have a use competitively. We shouldn't try to be exactly like that, because the Pokemon metagame is a lot different and it takes far longer to create your own Pokemon, but the idea can still be incorporated. Realistic Cards should be realistic in the sense that they have a role to play in the real game. That's the point of the RC section isn't it? So, someone should post their initial card, people comment with various OCG fixes and balancing factors as well as its place in the competitive game. So many times I've seen people post cards in RC that just have no use whatsoever and would just be pack filler if they were released in the real game. Those kinds of cards should belong in AOC. 

[Aix]

I also agree with everything except the thing about post length. What if somebody has posted a card and people have already commented and reviewed it but you just want to add something else that they didn't include in their review? It would still be constructive and helpful and it shouldn't be discouraged. Basically, post length shouldn't matter and should definitely not be controlled, as long as you are being helpful and achieving the purpose of the RC section.

IMO, the RC section should take a leaf from Smogon's Create-A-Pokemon project, where groups of people get together and create custom Pokemon to fill a specific role in the metagame and that would have a use competitively. We shouldn't try to be exactly like that, because the Pokemon metagame is a lot different and it takes far longer to create your own Pokemon, but the idea can still be incorporated. Realistic Cards should be realistic in the sense that they have a role to play in the real game. That's the point of the RC section isn't it? So, someone should post their initial card, people comment with various OCG fixes and balancing factors as well as its place in the competitive game. So many times I've seen people post cards in RC that just have no use whatsoever and would just be pack filler if they were released in the real game. Those kinds of cards should belong in AOC.

We've done this thing before in clubs, which ended in failure, but I suppose it's because us older members are lazy af. If we post a thread here, and let new members notice it, I suppose things might work out, it's worth a shot.

[Monarch King]

Excuse me but why i cant upload today cards with size bigger than 7.95KB? Until yesterday i could do that but now i cant, it says this "You can upload up to 7.95KB"