Slinky Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 [spoiler='Fiend']Cannot be Special Summoned. Monster effects cannot be activated.[/spoiler] [spoiler='Ruler']This card cannot be Special Summoned. Your opponent cannot Special Summon monsters.[/spoiler] [spoiler='Decree']Negate all other Trap Card effects on the field.[/spoiler] I got my ass handed to me by these. Opponent doing a turn 1 Decree + Fiend + Ruler is pureeee bullshit. So yeah, super salt. Discuss these highly degenerate cards? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 This is probably that deck that top 4'd in... I wanna say Brazil, might be Argentina. Anyway, it is a highly salt inducing deck, definitely, but not any more degenerate than Starduston + Anti-Spell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Anyway, it is a highly salt inducing deck-Majesty's Fiend alone is ridiculously rage-inducing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 I have been out of the loop; please explain how this works on the first turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted July 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Mausoleum of the Emperor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Mausoleum of the Emperor How do you normal summon twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
%phil Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 mausoleum sucks as a card and sinister yoroshiro is better which also means decree isn't as good. but yeah what's the point in this thread? it's not stupid or degenerate at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 but yeah what's the point in this thread? it's not stupid or degenerate at all.To bitch about getting your ass torn by sub-optimalness, duh!@OP: The fact that you actually think that this is degenerate, when in order to do it you need to open a specific 5 card opening (Double Summon, Mausoleum, Decree, Vanity's Ruler and Majesty's Fiend) for it to even be considerable is ridiculous. All of these cards are honestly fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 What deck did you run? Because it sounds like another case of a Yu-Gi-Oh! player screaming that the opponent's deck is "OH-PEED" when the real problem was that their own deck sucked enough to lose to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 6, 2014 Report Share Posted July 6, 2014 Just play Dark Hole. "Lock" broken. Try these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I stopped reading when I saw "Degenerate" and "Vanity's Ruler" in the same thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I wouldn't call any of these cards the epitome of good design, but the combo in the OP is so situational that it's laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 I wouldn't call any of these cards the epitome of good design, but the combo in the OP is so situational that it's laughable. Top 4 Latin America WCQ would beg to differ. Consistency aside, it isnt degenerate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Discuss these highly degenerate cards? "Everything that can screw me over is degenerate" Which is the general vibe I'm getting from this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
%phil Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 Top 4 Latin America WCQ would beg to differ. mhm i heard it topped romanian nationals too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted July 7, 2014 Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 mhm i heard it topped romanian nationals too Oof, that's scary o.O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 When did "degenerate" become part of the Yu-Gi-Oh! lexicon? It reminds me of Tumblr, only instead of making up words to define your sexuality, you're looking for a more SRS BSNS word than "broken", in order to look clever. "Degenerate" sounds like a moral declaration, or that a degenerate card is one that will End Yu-Gi-Oh! As We Know It. Imagine if you tried to say "Vanity's Ruler is OP". You'd get fucking crucified. But "Vanity's Ruler is degenerate", well, that's something else entirely. Indeed my good man, this degeneracy threatens the very fabric of society, perhaps all of civilization! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 It reminds me of Tumblr, only instead of making up words to define your sexuality, you're looking for a more SRS BSNS word than "broken", in order to look clever. "Degenerate" sounds like a moral declaration, or that a degenerate card is one that will End Yu-Gi-Oh! As We Know It. Imagine if you tried to say "Vanity's Ruler is OP". You'd get f***ing crucified. But "Vanity's Ruler is degenerate", well, that's something else entirely. Indeed my good man, this degeneracy threatens the very fabric of society, perhaps all of civilization! *raises paw* uhhhh.... pls dont use that offensive "man" word. i consider myself to be an androgynous quasi-female pansexual wolfsoul. your concept of throwing around the word "man" willy-nilly is greatly offensive to my personal conceptualizations of my unique self image, and addressing others by using a certain generic label such as "man" is traumatic to me on a deep personal level, i was shaken to the core by your judgemental words. please be a little more considerate next time. thanks! When did "degenerate" become part of the Yu-Gi-Oh! lexicon? November 15, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Can someone please define "degenerate" for me? From what I can see it just means "this card stops all the metafag decks and needs banned so we can all play the same 3 turn games every single time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebuchet MS Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 From what I see, "degenerate" means "creates a boring game", or "you can't play your usual plays" and it gets tagged onto every effective stall or lockdown card. And Macro&pals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 It means cards that degrade the game state. This is usually done by either slowing the game down too much or speeding it up too much. Or sometimes just DOING too much. Madolche, for example, have about. 6 degenerate cards. Shaddolls have Fusion and Facing the Shadows and El-Shaddoll Fusion Yang Zing have Incarnation (would be fine if it was a flat OPT instead of stacking copies), Baxia, and Jiaotu. Satellas are just a mess of degenerate design. Shock Master totally ruins game states and makes the game completely one sided. BLS is too much reward for too little payout, but it's an example of degeneracy that flies under the radar most times. And so on. The fact that stupid shit like macro is degenerate and idiots use degenerate too loosely doesn't mean it's "hurrr stops my deck" overall. And Chaos Knux, go post on DNF. You're shit posting is honestly intolerable and you've shown 0 desire to get your head out of your ass or improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Technically, Shaddoll Fusion isn't degenerate if you just use what's in your hand. 'Course, that isn't the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hounds Of Anubis Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 Speaking from MTG terminology, "degenerate" is used when a card is either massively overpowered or warps the entire game/format around it, often both. This means cards like DMoC, Overload Fusion, Dark Armed Dragon, Rescue Rabbit etc from the perspective of yugioh's history (not claiming any of these are or aren't degenerate currently). These three cards are all, generally speaking, laughably weak. Majesty's Fiend has powerful applications, sure, but it's not in itself a particularly powerful card since it's all relative to the environment. I just find it funny that Vanity's Ruler was used in any deck ever when Vanity's Fiend is almost strictly better in every way. @Black, I think you're applying the term "degenerate" too broadly. I do understand where you're coming from, but it's a word with a stronger meaning behind it than I think you think it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 If we're talking bad games, I hate playing Genryu - first of all because we already HAVE a Dragon type, but in practice, they usually have multiple Supply Unit and a facedown monster so I don't attack until I can blow up their field. Even in the best case, where they don't have Supply Unit, they just keep walling over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 8, 2014 Report Share Posted July 8, 2014 If we're talking bad games, I hate playing Genryu - first of all because we already HAVE a Dragon type, but in practice, they usually have multiple Supply Unit and a facedown monster so I don't attack until I can blow up their field. Even in the best case, where they don't have Supply Unit, they just keep walling over and over. I mean if they're playing Supply Squad they're not even playing the deck right. And they're totally fine bar Jiaotu/Baxia/Incarnation/Sorta the avarice. Wow, they can wall you unless you actually run good cards. How terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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