~British Soul~ Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 http://www.ygorganization.com/yu-gi-oh-5ds-manga-8-card-confirmed (presumably DARK/Dragon)/Synchro/Effect Manga eff: 1 Tuner + 1 or more non-Tuner monsters This card cannot be destroyed. Once per turn: You can target 1 monster on the field; reduce its ATK to 0, and if you do, gain Life Points equal to its ATK. discuss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodrigo Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Wish this was printed as is. But obviously, that's not gonna happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 ...what the hell? So it's a Level 10 that can't be destroyed by anything (just like Beelze), and can turn an opponent's monster to 0 and gain LP for its ATK. And then swing. First, I'm expecting it to either not be generic (DARK Tuner and/or requiring Beelze), or to have its effect changed somehow. But then I look at Beelze and question whether they'd change the effect. They released Beelze after all...so the best balancing thing would be to require Beelze itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerion Brightflame Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I enjoy the fact that if nothing else, it's a 4k wall who gives you 4k LP, and then drains the attack of the opponents monsters for each turn they don't kill you. Really, just being a 4k indestructible Wall is kinda nice. The LP gain is just superfluous. Shame that Castel (And other non destruction removal) exists to ruin it's fun. But there's the obvious pressure of the fact if you don't have an out, it's a two turn kill. Which is wonderful pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 If they release as is, Leo is no longer a good card. If they release with generic conditions, Leo is still no longer a good card. Only way to keep Leo good is to make it non-generic or at least require Beelze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 oh they actually are gonna release this finally? good then i have something to finally kill this thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 oh they actually are gonna release this finally? good then i have something to finally kill this thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 did u forget its like invincible im gonna use super poly un ur shit nope, unaffected by spell/traps oh yeh well ima summon beelze and make ur shit feel pain "Once per turn: You can make your opponent send 1 monster from their side of the field or in their hand to the Graveyard" Uhh.... exodia? oh please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 But it's inconsistent and cloggy, so no one plays him anyways. And if they do, I dunno, Star Eater? There are ways to get over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 But it's inconsistent and cloggy, so no one plays him anyways. And if they do, I dunno, Star Eater? There are ways to get over him. notice that like star eater really is one of the only things that can get over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Doesn't change the fact Killer is not played as far as I see because it needs 3 Tributes, so it's essentially a dead card until you get rolling, and then it's just win-more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Wouldn't doubt it if they buffed this card's protection effect. Also, considering how utterly fucking stupid "Beelze.dek", is... You could just outright make this by reviving Plague and Tuning it with Beelze. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Doesn't change the fact Killer is not played as far as I see because it needs 3 Tributes, so it's essentially a dead card until you get rolling, and then it's just win-more. no its played, YOU don't play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 no its played, YOU don't play it. Trent is played, YOU don't play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted August 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 no its played, YOU don't play it. Shapesnatch is played, YOU don't play it. In all seriousness though, Killer is so winmoar, the better Qliphort decks don't play it from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 no its played, YOU don't play it. No, it's not. It's a 3000 that doesn't get buffed by your 1 Scales, is dead early, has an effect that only helps Shaddolls/neutrals itself, and is just all around way too dead to be valuable. Then there's the fact that you start with a 5 card hand and want to go first. This card is an absolute waste of space T1 that can basically ruin your game from there by not being ab etter card. It's not better than Shell, which is only good for toolboxing an OTK, it's just a winmoar option that competitive players realized was so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neochu-H Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 fine don't play really good super op boss monster your missing out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 No, it's not. It's a 3000 that doesn't get buffed by your 1 Scales, is dead early, has an effect that only helps Shaddolls/neutrals itself, and is just all around way too dead to be valuable. Then there's the fact that you start with a 5 card hand and want to go first. This card is an absolute waste of space T1 that can basically ruin your game from there by not being ab etter card. It's not better than Shell, which is only good for toolboxing an OTK, it's just a winmoar option that competitive players realized was so. His effect doesn't trigger the shaddolls. It is not treated as an effect. (There is a ruling on this on the Org somewhere, cant be bothered to find it right now) Still doesnt diminish it to being nothing more than a side card, and probably not even that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If they release as is, Leo is no longer a good card. If they release with generic conditions, Leo is still no longer a good card. Only way to keep Leo good is to make it non-generic or at least require Beelze. Beelzeus doesn't have targeting immunity, which is still an important thing to have in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If they release as is, Leo is no longer a good card. If they release with generic conditions, Leo is still no longer a good card. Only way to keep Leo good is to make it non-generic or at least require Beelze. Targeting immunity tops destruction immunity. Batte Immunity is kinda stupid on a 4k body anyway. That said, my guess is this will need all DARK Mats, and to be Synchro Summoned. Hopefully they nerf the second effect a bit and we get targeting immunity in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 That said, my guess is this will need all DARK Mats, and to be Synchro Summoned. Hopefully they nerf the second effect a bit and we get targeting immunity in return. If they nerf the ATK reduce effect, at least keep the gain to be equal to the monster's ATK; we have very few good LP gain cards in this game, so I liked seeing something like this. On another note, Beelzeus means Dragococytus might be released too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If they nerf the ATK reduce effect, at least keep the gain to be equal to the monster's ATK; we have very few good LP gain cards in this game, so I liked seeing something like this. On another note, Beelzeus means Dragococytus might be released too. I always thought they would; it and Ultimaya Tzolk'in are shoe-ins by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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