CLG Klavier Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Great boss for shit archetype. OCG side has triple Rabbit for it, worth on TCG side in any way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Back in the day, I wanted this limited. I still do. If I let my salt do the talking, it wants a ban. It literally says "f*** all of the Synchros and search S/T immunity". f*** that. Only Mist Bird has ever gotten me out of Ophion. Does too much for too little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 this is really the only good card they have. Their continuous trap would be good, if everything else wasn't s***. Thunderbird is decent Castor and Kerkyion are good, but shit because everything else is shit Mandragora is decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Well, they got a Pollux and a Sombre ripoff going for them, and their Tribute monsters are pretty strong at times...IMO they're passable at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 this is really the only good card they have. Their continuous trap would be good, if everything else wasn't s***. Kerykion? Pandemic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 This only has relevance in OCG BECAUSE Rabbit is@3. In TCG? Yea, good luck with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 This deck just gets worse and worse with both time and new rules (like the 5 card start). Ophion, as such, becomes less and less of a threat due to everything just outspeeding it and/or not having enough resources to actually win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Kerykion? Pandemic? Pandemic is decent. It's just an Omega. it would be shit if Ophion didn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted December 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Well yeah...but if you gather a few "would be shit if not X"...you know, play those together and they're not shit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goddamnit names are a pain Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Pandemic is decent. It's just an Omega. it would be s*** if Ophion didn't exist. You can protect other Iswarms, though. Yes, Ophion DOES search it, which makes it a ton better from what it was, but it is still a fairly decent card without a searcher. Granted, this deck looks a lot like "if I don't have Ophion, everything is a dead draw", so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Well yeah...but if you gather a few "would be shit if not X"...you know, play those together and they're not shit?'Cept if your chalking the whole thing up to "Win if you topdeck Rabbit, and auto-loose if you dont"(again, TCG wise), then the deck is even worse then it comes off as being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krein Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 "Sh*t archetype"? "Needs Rabbit to win?" I'm going to have to disagree with most of the statements in this thread. I run Lswarms and have found them to be quite effective and versatile in a good amount of my duels. I don't even run Rabbit and I can still use the deck effectively. Ophion is obviously one of the archetype's strongest cards, but other cards such as Moth, Girastag, and Bahamut really help in taking care of cards and monsters your opponent might have on the field. And yes, two of these are from the Steelswarm archetype (which benefit from Evilswarm support), and I've found them to help a lot in keeping some field control and swarming for either more tributes or XYZ (Caller, Infestation Ripples). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 "Sh*t archetype"? "Needs Rabbit to win?" I'm going to have to disagree with most of the statements in this thread. I run Lswarms and have found them to be quite effective and versatile in a good amount of my duels. I don't even run Rabbit and I can still use the deck effectively. Ophion is obviously one of the archetype's strongest cards, but other cards such as Moth, Girastag, and Bahamut really help in taking care of cards and monsters your opponent might have on the field. And yes, two of these are from the Steelswarm archetype (which benefit from Evilswarm support), and I've found them to help a lot in keeping some field control and swarming for either more tributes or XYZ (Caller, Infestation Ripples). You lost me at steelswarm. Seriously, that archetype is more of a joke than Seraphs or Symphonic Warriors were before they got their ocg support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krein Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 You lost me at steelswarm. Seriously, that archetype is more of a joke than Seraphs or Symphonic Warriors were before they got their ocg support Didn't expect to keep you :p, I'm well aware of the fact that Steelswarms are looked down upon and was even expecting a reaction like yours. Doesn't change the fact that I /still/ got them to work for me in one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I run Lswarmsother cards such as Moth, Girastag, and Bahamut really help in taking care of cards(which benefit from Evilswarm support)Moth:When this card is Tribute Summoned by Tributing a "Steelswarm"Stag:You can Tribute Summon this card in face-up Attack Position by Tributing 1 "Steelswarm" monster. When this card is Tribute Summoned by Tributing a "Steelswarm" monster(s):Yep. Totally supported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krein Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Moth: Stag: Yep. Totally supported. Talking about spell and trap card support, not monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Talking about spell and trap card support, not monsters.Even then, the Steelswarm monsters you listed don't do shit with Evilswarms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iCherries Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 I wonder... if Lswarms were just named Steelswarms, would the archetype as a whole be considered good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Pandemic is decent. It's just an Omega. it would be s*** if Ophion didn't exist. That's kind of a semantic argument though, because it does exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 in the end, lswarm and Constellar is pretty much the same thing. Mediocre decks at best that got carried by a powerful boss One trick ponies, p'much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krein Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 Even then, the Steelswarm monsters you listed don't do s*** with Evilswarms. That'd probably be why I'd use Ophion to search out Infestation Ripples to later resummon the Steelswarm Caller I likely used for his summon (Castor and Caller are always nice to see in the same hand). Once that's out of the way I could tribute it for Moth or Girastag, use their effects, and have another Caller on the field for extra damage, and as a future tribute or XYZ material (even for something other than an Evilswarm XYZ). Steelswarms are also viable targets for Infection and Kerykeion's effects, meaning I can reuse them or search out another Lswarm I need at the time. And like I said before, the Steelswarms that need tributes can work as decent field control, and they're simple to get out once everything is set up. They also work to finish Bahamut's ability, so no, you can't say that Steelswarms don't do sh*t with Evilswarms at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 in the end, lswarm and Constellar is pretty much the same thing. Mediocre decks at best that got carried by a powerful boss One trick ponies, p'much.To be fair, Constellars had more variety, but still devolved into such.Evilswarms, not so much. They either forced Rank 4 plays, or had higher leveled stuff that nobody gave a shit about. Steelswarms are also viable targets for Infection and Kerykeion'sThat's only because the Infestation cards, and the later, deal with "Verz" monsters. Steels are "InVerz", remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 in the end, lswarm and Constellar is pretty much the same thing. Mediocre decks at best that got carried by a powerful boss One trick ponies, p'much. At least Constellars can actually do something. Evilswarm is Ophion or bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darj Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 in the end, lswarm and Constellar is pretty much the same thing. Mediocre decks at best that got carried by a powerful boss One trick ponies, p'much. Sudden thought: Considering that Pleaides and Ophion are arguably the real bosses of their respective archetypes, what if Ophion required 2 DARK Materials instead, just like its alleged opposite Pleiades who requires LIGHTs, which made it splashable in archetypes such as Artifacts and Chronomalies? Shaddolls would more or less have access to it, and could use it to counter opposing El-Shaddolls in the mirror, Pendulum Summoned Qlips, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 The Constellars are actually based on their Verz counterparts, at least ATK Wise. Beehive/Praesepe to Bahamut, Omega to Thanatos, Hyades to nightmare (Nightmare's DEF applies here, as it's an oddball, but this makes sense wit has a counter to Hyades), Pleiades to Ophion, and Ptolemy to Ouroboros. So the Constellars are, in fact, designed to be counterparts to the Evilswarm bosses, just like the successors of the bosses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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