Bringerofcake Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 We finally get this. It was a fantastic deck in its hayday, but will it still hold up now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 It won't. Back when this came out in the OCG, Xyz Decks were literally everywhere. They're still a big mechanic, but Pendulum is starting to overtake them. As such, the ace card of Heraldic Decks, No.8, is less consistent. It was something I expected to happen when it became clear last year we wouldn't get No.18 in LVAL: By the time we do get it, the Deck could be obsolete. But I'll still gladly use Heraldics. I still have the Deck mostly intact stored away in anticipation of this and Amphisbaena. Heraldics and Galaxy are my favorite archetypes by far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I couldn't have said it better myself evilfusion. Its sad, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 If this comes out in the TCG version of the Extra Pack, I want to be the very first person to say I fornicatingly called it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 It's coming out in the World Superstars pack. Which is said to include the OCG/Korean exclusives. Which I suppose is the equivalent of the Extra Pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 And people were afraid we would never get these cards. While there are some cards the TCG has never gotten, it is absurd to assume that we wouldn't get the Japan and Korean exclusive cards for their sets since they get our exclusive cards from our sets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 And people were afraid we would never get these cards. While there are some cards the TCG has never gotten, it is absurd to assume that we wouldn't get the Japan and Korean exclusive cards for their sets since they get our exclusive cards from our sets. It's not a matter of people thinking we'd NEVER get the cards, but more a matter of "how long?". It's been a year since the OCG released LVAL and the first exclusives, and the TCG had been given no indication at all that we'd soon receive the exclusives, many of which were Numbers or support for popular archetypes that needed it. No.18 is already an example of what happens when too much time passes. Heraldics needed the support a year ago, but as the game shifts away from Xyz-everywhere, Heraldics aren't going to really get their chance in shine in the TCG. They weren't going to be top-tier anyway, but they're still a very fun Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 I still feel like this could do..... A little bit of damage. If a Qliphort player so happens to drop 2 with the same name with Disk cause they didn't read...... GAHAHAHAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 It's not a matter of people thinking we'd NEVER get the cards, but more a matter of "how long?". It's been a year since the OCG released LVAL and the first exclusives, and the TCG had been given no indication at all that we'd soon receive the exclusives, many of which were Numbers or support for popular archetypes that needed it. I actually did hear many people say Konami would never release those cards over here for various reasons. Card is really annoying to deal with because it mills its own floatation device and Leo. Being generic helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mshends Posted January 15, 2015 Report Share Posted January 15, 2015 Finally, the best archetype' number is here! I love it so much! Heraldics will always be the second best rank 4 archetype! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hunter_ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Nice card; awful timing. Heraldics will be completely irrelevant by the time we get this thing. Of course, they've always been irrelevant. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Best boon the deck has ever received. Although I never know what the hell is with the art, I mean... what is it? The fact that you can float it off of Unicorn and then use it to Rank-Up is even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I still feel that Amphisbaena is also a HUGE asset to the Deck. And yeah, I'm a sucker for the Rank-Up variant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 I still feel that Amphisbaena is also a HUGE asset to the Deck. And yeah, I'm a sucker for the Rank-Up variant. Amphisbaena makes a "pure" variant possible, so of course it's huge. Augmentation helps in that regard too by making Advanced Heraldry Art more consistent (with the drawback of only being able to Normal/Special Summon Heraldics and Psychic Xyz for the turn), and Plain Coat isn't a bad Xyz to use it for either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Then again, I did run a Heraldic Rank-Up Deck during the last YCML, and made the top 4 with it, losing to a Lightsworn Rulers (got owned) and a Karakuri Geargia (which was ridiculously close). So yeah...I know how awesome the Deck was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hunter_ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Then again, I did run a Heraldic Rank-Up Deck during the last YCML, and made the top 4 with it, losing to a Lightsworn Rulers (got owned) and a Karakuri Geargia (which was ridiculously close). So yeah...I know how awesome the Deck was. Damn. Nice job. Heraldics are pretty good, but unfortunately, they just can't stand up to the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Plus, Heraldics as a whole are heavily shut down by anti-Graveyard Decks, like Macro and such, or anti-Special Summoning. So Heraldics would struggle in the meta no matter what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Plus, Heraldics as a whole are heavily shut down by anti-Graveyard Decks, like Macro and such, or anti-Special Summoning. So Heraldics would struggle in the meta no matter what. Oh man, I'm getting war flashbacks to the occassions where my Heraldics went up against Gravekeepers >.> Now that everyone seems to think 3 Vanity can fit into everything, it really is not a good format for these guys, Rank-Up form or otherwise. Though the Extra Deck in the Rank-Up variant I always remember as being absurdly tight, with all the good rank 4s the deck already has access to, inclusing the Chidori that Amphis gave consistant access to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Finally, the best archetype' number is here! I love it so much! Heraldics will always be the second best rank 4 archetype! Not really? Heraldics are even less capable of holding up than decks like Hunder or Fluffal, most times. Hunders at least have an actual stratos that synergizes with Supply Squad, the aility to run Bujintei Tsukuyomi (which, with Dire Wolf and Castel, allows lots of +s with Squad), a double RotA, etc. This deck has a miracle fusion, but the field's often too slow to matter in the current gamestate and is dead early. They have power plays, but it's rare that they can drop more than 1 Xyz a turn (Bar AHA), and RUMs to maximize the potential of 18 are... slow and not really worth it. Even then, the best R4 Archetype is Star Seraphs. Being an engine for a lot of decks only drives the point home more, as they can do what they do without too much deck devotion. Satellars are second, but they're not really a good deck. They have Trihiver or w/e and Diamond... but that's about it, and the latter is only good in matchups. They have unfair cards, but they don't really have enough to be a good deck. Granted, they're better than any other R4 deck bar Seraphs, so... Even if we remove BAs, Qlips, etc., these archetypes are still only okay, bar Seraphs, and Heraldics are even further down because they just don't do enough unfair things at an unfair pace, unless they open really well. They have synergies with Supply Squad too, but not to the same degree as a deck like Hunders, which can actively abuse it due to how many Level 4s it can put onto the board. And that's a problem with 18, actually, and Leo outside of a good hand; They're passive as hell. Leo can die and get you something after it swings, which can draw a card from Supply Squad, but it's not good enough unless you have the Reborn/Soul Charge/Amphisbaena and even MORE dead fodder. Heraldics are way too passive in the early game to ever be one of the better "R4" decks. Even multi-rank archetypes like Chronomaly, Fire Fists (technically, though more l/r4 control with bark bark bark usually), etc. tend to do R4 better. Heraldics just aren't a good deck in the least, despite the fact that I /do/ like them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hunter_ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Oh man, I'm getting war flashbacks to the occassions where my Heraldics went up against Gravekeepers >.> Now that everyone seems to think 3 Vanity can fit into everything, it really is not a good format for these guys, Rank-Up form or otherwise. Though the Extra Deck in the Rank-Up variant I always remember as being absurdly tight, with all the good rank 4s the deck already has access to, inclusing the Chidori that Amphis gave consistant access to. Well, some decks are actually dropping Vanity's now, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Agree with Black. Heraldics are a very fun Deck, and can do stupid things, but they can't do ridiculously stupid things at a stupid pace with reasonable consistency. In fact, the Deck is almost ridiculously reliant on Leo early on to do anything, and while No.18 drastically boosts the Deck, bad hands are a death blow because the Deck needs to drop a Leo or multiple Beasts to get rolling, and each monster has mediocre stats. One reason Amphisbaena is so useful is because it lets you ditch Beasts in hand that otherwise don't do anything (or do it too slowly) for an SS, which can lead to an early or significant R4 play, after which point the Deck picks up speed and plays better. It also gives better access to Chidori and makes Aberconway playable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hunter_ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Yea, deck is fun but is in no way the best Rank 4 deck. Nor is it the second or third best Rank 4 deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Oh man, I'm getting war flashbacks to the occassions where my Heraldics went up against Gravekeepers >.> Now that everyone seems to think 3 Vanity can fit into everything, it really is not a good format for these guys, Rank-Up form or otherwise. Though the Extra Deck in the Rank-Up variant I always remember as being absurdly tight, with all the good rank 4s the deck already has access to, inclusing the Chidori that Amphis gave consistant access to. The whole 3 Vanity thing is becoming less prevalent now. Sided at best because No Traps is the new thing. Qlis are working in Storm for their extra Spells, Shaddolls got the Denko, and BA are even considering siding Fire Lake. Again, Vanity might be sided, but Game 1 you are free reign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hunter_ Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 The whole 3 Vanity thing is becoming less prevalent now. Sided at best because No Traps is the new thing. Qlis are working in Storm for their extra Spells, Shaddolls got the Denko, and BA are even considering siding Fire Lake. Again, Vanity might be sided, but Game 1 you are free reign Get ninja'd. And yeah, like I mentioned earlier, some decks have dropped Vanity's altogether. No longer "OMG STAPLE AT 3 IN EVERY DECK!!" anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted January 16, 2015 Report Share Posted January 16, 2015 Although I never know what the hell is with the art, I mean... what is it? It is the top of a family tree, extending the first two branches. Hence "Progenitor". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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