I Hate Snatch Steal Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 For those who want to see how this plays out in real time: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2015/apr/28/baltimore-freddie-gray-riots-live-updates edit: After watching the coverage. I must give credit to law enforcement for being above violence when possible and holding their line so peacefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 It helps when only 100 out of several thousand protesters were actually rioting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Sankara Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 1. Way to twist my words around. Your implying that adding a simple descriptive adjective to my post means that I'm condemning an entire race? Or that its immoral to even use such descriptors? If someone asked you what color skin the rioters have or what race they were, what would you say? Where in my post did I say that all black people (or any other group) are the same and that all of them are guilty of these crimes? I know full well that there are well meaning law abiding black people in this world AND people of other races who are just as bad as those rioters or worse. 2. The point I was trying to make was not to use such force unless someone is actively dangerous e.g. if they are trying to kill someone, including a member of law enforcement. I was trying to contrast my view to a Hitler-esque genocide where innocent people are killed on sight if they have a certain property. 3. A common theme in the discussion of this issue is that "Only black people are killed by police unjustly: its racist". I was trying to present a counter example to that. Once again you generalize. As for your last point. Adolf Hitler was human. So was Osama Bin laden. However they should not be shown any mercy for the wrongs they've committed. However I won't deny that those example are arguably more extreme. I feel the same lack of mercy should apply to terrorists, since they are bent on seeing our country destroyed. This feels very similar. I judge based on actions: In my eyes those rioters condemned themselves when they committed crimes. What would I say? I would ask why the skin color of the rioters matters in this instance. If you can give me a reasonable answer, I'll tell you. Otherwise, they're just rioters. --- Fair enough. I did generalize. To be fair, I was a bit heated, and my argument shouldn't have come off of personal feelings or emotions. It was uncalled for. That being said, the underlying problem is more of people being unjustly killed by members of law enforcement more than anything else. Numbers have sky rocketed, and people aren't standing for it. It's the center cause of the protests, but I doubt it's the motivation behind the riots. Those rioters seem like they're just taking advantage of the situation and using it to loot. As wholesome as some of you seem to think it would be to deny that race factors into the context of the Baltimore riots, it's delusional. There's a disproportionate number of black people in prison, more than enough to suggest that black people are discriminated against by the police. It is from this truth that the Baltimore riots have resulted, the individual cases of police brutality against black people (of which there happen to have been quite a few) being sparks to the powder keg. It is not a case of raceless people rioting unprovoked against the cops on grounds unrelated to race. It is a case of people who are discriminated against fighting their oppressors because no one else will, and using violence because no other language is getting through. Oh no. Perhaps my words weren't uh, well written. My point was not that race is not a cause behind it. My point was that the rioters are just that. Rioters. I can't just not acknowledge the fact that they are black. That's silly. But I don't notice their skin color first, if that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 The thing that's going through my mind right now is... Don't all cops and basically any kind of government enforcement have to go through some kind of psychiatric test before they're sent out on duty or whatever? If a police officer obviously thinks it's okay to brutalize, throw someone in the back of a cop car, which then ends up later getting that guy paralyzed and dying, that should raise a few warning bells from the get go, shouldn't it? And yet, these enforcement agencies are still letting those kinds of people on the force. These high and mighty assholes who think it's okay to pull someone over for a speeding ticket when they were clearly not going even 1 mile over the speed limit. These degenerate lowlifes who think it's okay to hurt and harm other people sometimes simply for the hell of it. These fear-mongers that give us the illusion that the law enforcement is SUPPOSED to be feared. But it doesn't work like that. I probably have more balls than any of these other police officers that come into the force today. In my opinion, these kinds of people, these degenerate fear-mongers who think that law enforcement is the be all and end all of our society, that are clearly the problem. And it all goes back to what I said about the psychiatric evaluation earlier. Someone MUST HAVE KNOWN that this guy was fucked up in the head, and yet they clearly don't see a problem. Hell, there probably wasn't a psych test at all! In my opinion, these lowlife police officers should get what's coming for them. The law enforcement isn't supposed to keep people on a leash like we're some fucking animal; it's to serve and uphold justice. Justice for what's supposed to be RIGHT AND FAIR. When there's no justice in our society, that's when things take a turn for the worse. I bet you could ask any random cop on the street what the meaning of "justice" actually is and they wouldn't answer. Unfortunately, people only see things in black and white, and when they see something is wrong, they throw away any kind of sense for this "justice" and just focus on what's at the end of their ironsight. It's fucking disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Because it's not that simple. People do bad things. People are complicated. You don't have to be that fucked up in the head to throw someone in the back of a cop car. You can't sort people into good people and bad people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Because it's not that simple. People do bad things. People are complicated. You don't have to be that fucked up in the head to throw someone in the back of a cop car. You can't sort people into good people and bad people.Yes you can, you just put every single person into the "bad people" category.Easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 What would I say? I would ask why the skin color of the rioters matters in this instance. If you can give me a reasonable answer, I'll tell you. Otherwise, they're just rioters. --- Fair enough. I did generalize. To be fair, I was a bit heated, and my argument shouldn't have come off of personal feelings or emotions. It was uncalled for. That being said, the underlying problem is more of people being unjustly killed by members of law enforcement more than anything else. Numbers have sky rocketed, and people aren't standing for it. It's the center cause of the protests, but I doubt it's the motivation behind the riots. Those rioters seem like they're just taking advantage of the situation and using it to loot. Oh no. Perhaps my words weren't uh, well written. My point was not that race is not a cause behind it. My point was that the rioters are just that. Rioters. I can't just not acknowledge the fact that they are black. That's silly. But I don't notice their skin color first, if that makes sense. To be fair, I was also heated when I made my first post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Hate Snatch Steal Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 The thing that's going through my mind right now is... Don't all cops and basically any kind of government enforcement have to go through some kind of psychiatric test before they're sent out on duty or whatever? If a police officer obviously thinks it's okay to brutalize, throw someone in the back of a cop car, which then ends up later getting that guy paralyzed and dying, that should raise a few warning bells from the get go, shouldn't it? And yet, these enforcement agencies are still letting those kinds of people on the force. These high and mighty a******s who think it's okay to pull someone over for a speeding ticket when they were clearly not going even 1 mile over the speed limit. These degenerate lowlifes who think it's okay to hurt and harm other people sometimes simply for the hell of it. These fear-mongers that give us the illusion that the law enforcement is SUPPOSED to be feared. But it doesn't work like that. I probably have more balls than any of these other police officers that come into the force today. In my opinion, these kinds of people, these degenerate fear-mongers who think that law enforcement is the be all and end all of our society, that are clearly the problem. And it all goes back to what I said about the psychiatric evaluation earlier. Someone MUST HAVE KNOWN that this guy was f***ed up in the head, and yet they clearly don't see a problem. Hell, there probably wasn't a psych test at all! In my opinion, these lowlife police officers should get what's coming for them. The law enforcement isn't supposed to keep people on a leash like we're some f***ing animal; it's to serve and uphold justice. Justice for what's supposed to be RIGHT AND FAIR. When there's no justice in our society, that's when things take a turn for the worse. I bet you could ask any random cop on the street what the meaning of "justice" actually is and they wouldn't answer. Unfortunately, people only see things in black and white, and when they see something is wrong, they throw away any kind of sense for this "justice" and just focus on what's at the end of their ironsight. It's f***ing disgusting. 0. Proof or it didn't happen. 1. Is easy to be brave from a distance - Native American saying. Translation: you can say whatever you want about having balls (is that even relevant here?) from the safety of where your computer is. I doubt your anything like what you say you are if you were put to the test. 2. We have a legal system for deciding that. However some people think their opinions are more valid then a court of law. 3. Try it yourself, record the whole thing, and post it on youtube if your so confident. What do you have to say about the millions of people who are kept safe by police? Kidnap victims who are rescued? Lives that are saved from murders and rapists by officers who respond to emergency calls? You sound like your condemning all of that. Your justice concept is very vague. Define the "Justice" your referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 Alright you race baiting assholes, here's how this is gonna go. I'm gonna break it down for you, and you're gonna listen. You're gonna shut the fuck up and listen. You're gonna stop with the bullshit, and you're gonna get a firm grasp on the concept of protesting, rioting, and race baiting. Because while they go hand in hand, they are not one and the same. And looking at all these ignorant fucking comments, I'm gonna to town. And I ain't talkin' about Baltimore.Yeah, this is way too heated for me. You bring up good points, but don't go throwing around stuff like "you race baiting assholes" around. Cheers.Anyway, carry on, guys. It's a really important thing to bring into the forefront, but keep it peaceful, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted April 29, 2015 Report Share Posted April 29, 2015 What makes more mad than anything is the god damn upper middle class white kids on twitter actually defending the rioting and looting, spineless ignorant motherfuckers who will place responsibility on "white people" but then remove themselves from that, as if they don't count as white people because they act like assholes on the internet. I swear, twitter brings out the absolute worst in humanity. Hell, at least the looters are doing something. Being a smug prick on Twitter does not do anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Well, http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/30/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-death-investigation/index.html So, a relative of one of the officers say that the officers think Gray was injured during the arrest while a prisoner in the same van said that he thought Gray was trying to hurt himself. We still don't know what happened though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Sankara Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Well, http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/30/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-death-investigation/index.html So, a relative of one of the officers say that the officers think Gray was injured during the arrest while a prisoner in the same van said that he thought Gray was trying to hurt himself. We still don't know what happened though. There's just been a recent discovery that the van made a previously unknown stop. So we'll here more on the story later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yosuke-kun Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 This is what you won't see on the news. People trying to stop the rioting. https://twitter.com/ACFromDaBranch/status/592839101574946817 Click the f***ing link. The video is 15 seconds long. That was really cool that the guy was trying to stop the riots, but for some reason all I could see was that he was wearing a Punisher shirt. More on topic, this is starting to get old. Internal affairs needs to do their job and figure out why this keeps happening, because this is like the 5th time in the past few months I've seen a story like this. I really don't want to point any fingers or think that there's some kind of racial conspiracy within the police force anywhere, but as someone going into the law enforcement field it really makes me ashamed of the name I'll be giving myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The banterbus is in town Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Okay so if you hate the Police, please don't call them the next time someone breaks into your house :^) EDIT: In case none of you understood that, it was sarcasm. Don't actually take my post seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 http://a.msn.com/r/2/BBj262m?a=1&m=EN-US Just dropping this in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T. Sankara Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 http://a.msn.com/r/2/BBj262m?a=1&m=EN-US Just dropping this in. Was just about to share this. Now we wait. I wonder if this will end up as it has for the most recent cases. Unsolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Colonel Remo Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 Seems 3 of 6 convicted officers were black I guess we can safely say this is just a police issue and hopefully not a race one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'tyleR Posted May 3, 2015 Report Share Posted May 3, 2015 I guess we can safely say this is just a police issue and hopefully not a race one - Sadly, it's both. Police targeting people mainly of race and being extremely brutal in some circumstances for no apparent reason. Especially in Gray's death, as his arrest was completely false in the first place. So to say it's a police issue is correct, and to say it is a race issue is also correct. This is so fucking tragic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epicmemesbro Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 Well, it tends to be a race issue. Most people incarcerated are people of color, but most people who break the law are white. This can also be a class issue. Since white collar crime goes unreported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'tyleR Posted May 4, 2015 Report Share Posted May 4, 2015 but most people who break the law are white. - Just out of curiosity, do you have a source for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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