☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪ Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Nowadays, players are unfair, in which they love using This card, "OMG this card is Balanced because it destroys itself" whith the backup of [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Custom] this trap[/url], or [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Number_66%3A_Master_Key_Beetle] this monster[/url], what shocks me is they keep nagging about the effect that is "one-sided vanity", which it actually needs a ritual summoned and use it as a material, like "[url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Djinn_Releaser_of_Rituals] That Card[/url]Should Be Banned!!! OMG!!! IT IS SO OP", yeah the image sounded to me like that: Even tho i don't mind either this nor that card, i find it weird to see people make a silly comparison between a trap card and a monster ignoring their activation conditions, maybe Djinn gets op with Herald, however, you still can negate the ritual summon with a counter trap card, is it hard to main at least 1 trap card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Even tho i don't mind either this nor that card, i find it weird to see people make a silly comparison between a trap card and a monster ignoring their activation conditions, maybe Djinn gets op with Herald, however, you still can negate the ritual summon with a counter trap card, is it hard to main at least 1 trap card? I would except that denko negated that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Well you said yourself possibly the main reason why Djinn Releaser of Rituals is so good: It's one sided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪ Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 denko is a quite a problem, though, You still can negate its summon using Solemn Warning, or negate its effects using Effect Veiler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 "You can still negate the ritual summon" Uh, no you can't. Ritual Summons cannot be negated. Ritual Spells can be, but not Ritual Summons, given that they are a product of an effect, as opposed to a summon like Synchro/Xyz/Contact Fusion/Pendulum/Normal/Special/Flip summons. The difference between the two is huge, so think about things before you post them. For example, you put Djinn on a body that isn't easy to get over. 2300 ATK or DEF, minimum. It's a monster, so easy as fuck to find, and it makes Ritual Summons cheaper if it's in the grave. Without Djinn (and Trishula), Nekroz are mostly fair. They do things, but require extra-archetypal help. With Djinn, the deck can be incredibly polarizing, to the point that people have to run poor cards to outplay it, and then get punished when the Djinnlock doesn't happen. Not to mention it's one-sided. Nothing but value for the Djinn player. Meanwhile, Vanity's is a limited trap card. It's very strong, but it's not searchable, it's simple to remove, especially in G2-3 where you will almost always have MSTs, and it's vulnerable. Outside of Key Beetle, it's not unbreakable. Even with Beetle, it's not that hard to break it. The two cards are completely different and uncomparable. Krystia would have made more sense to compare to djinn than vanity's. denko is a quite a problem, though, You still can negate its summon using Solemn Warning, or negate its effects using Effect Veiler. "hey guys, in my posts i'm going to talk about you having multiple answers to a play, and you're obviously bad if you don't have them" ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 huh? he's saying that vanity's is no more powerful than the djinn or vice-versa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not-so-Radiant Arin Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 denko is a quite a problem, though, You still can negate its summon using Solemn Warning, or negate its effects using Effect Veiler. Oh goodie, the classic "if it can be negated it's not broken" argument. Vanity's can be devastating IF TIMED PROPERLY. It's a lockdown for both of you but in reality you only use it mainly to stop big pushes or big advantage plays. Of course, when you don't know how to use or miss the timing on when to use it, of course it's going to bite you in the butt. Djinnlock is just annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Personally I love Djinn Releaser of Rituals, it makes even old Rituals like Relinquished pretty good. It is very overpowered though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hexanort Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 being counterable is never an indicator of how broken a card can be the problem with djinn is its way easier to access than vanity in deck that actually uses them, the djinn itself is searchable, and ritual spell/monster have many searcher, it is also a lingering, mean you have no way to remove it other than removing the affected monster (which usually backed up with self or archetype protection), and protecting a monster is way easier than protecting a s/t that also have a self destruction effect vanity is not one-sided, and also self destruct most of the time you make a move, to prevent it, you need more unsearchable card such as custom/cosmos, which doesnt worth teching unless the deck is compatible to it. you need the right timing to use it effectively unlike djinn, vanity is more like a one time stopper rather than a continual floodgate in most deck, they are both powerful but have different uses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmo. Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Isn't releaser a quite old card? Or maybe i'm confusing it with the other Djinns? Djinn is problematic right now because one of the most powerful decks in the meta can abuse it, so if we nerf the deck that abuses it, it's fine. Vanity on the other hand is a card that every deck can abuse, so in my opinion vanity should be the one hit by the next banlist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Well if you look at the Nekroz mirror match TC is not wrong. Vanity's is actually better in the mirror than the Djinn is, especially game 2 since both players will side out any MSTs they main. If you have like, Vanity's + Unicore in the mirror it's pretty impossible to lose unless they have Raigeki which some builds don't even play, or Bull Blader if they're playing it, assuming you don't have Valk. There's an awful lot more Djinn outs and they're an awful lot more convincing vs the Djinn lock, plus flipping Vanity's doesn't more or less guarantee losing the game if they have an out to it. In any other deck the issue is not really that the Djinn out is waaay more broken than Vanity's, it's more the point that you can open Djinn lock almost every game you open a Ju which is a good amount of games, whereas Vanity's is limited and usnearchable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 whereas Vanity's is unlimited You mean limited right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Amazing Avian Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 The problem with Djinn lock is that it's one sided and with Denko out you can't respond to Clausolas being summoned and getting over 2300 is prettyhard without a special summoning or a topkek Raigeki (or the super secret Blazeman>dump Bladedge or Neos for stats play). Vanity on the other hand has multiple outs such as destroying literally any card on their side. Only thing Vanity has over Djinn is that it's a trap card, and can be used to stop your opponent's plays (ie. Opponent sets scales then you activate Vanity). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
☪©h@ÐØÖk.exe☪ Posted June 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Oh goodie, the classic "if it can be negated it's not broken" argument. Vanity's can be devastating IF TIMED PROPERLY. It's a lockdown for both of you but in reality you only use it mainly to stop big pushes or big advantage plays. Of course, when you don't know how to use or miss the timing on when to use it, of course it's going to bite you in the butt. Djinnlock is just annoying. I didn't say that. "You can still negate the ritual summon" Uh, no you can't. Ritual Summons cannot be negated. Ritual Spells can be, but not Ritual Summons, given that they are a product of an effect, as opposed to a summon like Synchro/Xyz/Contact Fusion/Pendulum/Normal/Special/Flip summons. The difference between the two is huge, so think about things before you post them. For example, you put Djinn on a body that isn't easy to get over. 2300 ATK or DEF, minimum. It's a monster, so easy as f*** to find, and it makes Ritual Summons cheaper if it's in the grave. Without Djinn (and Trishula), Nekroz are mostly fair. They do things, but require extra-archetypal help. With Djinn, the deck can be incredibly polarizing, to the point that people have to run poor cards to outplay it, and then get punished when the Djinnlock doesn't happen. Not to mention it's one-sided. Nothing but value for the Djinn player. Meanwhile, Vanity's is a limited trap card. It's very strong, but it's not searchable, it's simple to remove, especially in G2-3 where you will almost always have MSTs, and it's vulnerable. Outside of Key Beetle, it's not unbreakable. Even with Beetle, it's not that hard to break it. The two cards are completely different and uncomparable. Krystia would have made more sense to compare to djinn than vanity's. I know the difference, i just meant the "Stop the summon" in general. I know that Vanity is a Limited trap card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Djinn is dumb because Rituals have become dumb. It's much easier to deal with a face-up Trap Card than it is to deal with a (possibly self protecting) huge monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Both cards are honestly cancer and i hate both and usually hate people for playing either. However Vanity isn't hard to get over (although it's still broken AF for all reasons above) Nekroz with Djinn lock in general is self explanatory and has been mentioned above many times. Djinn lock is also cancer. I'm not exactly sure what the comparisons of 2 cancers is supposed to be about or what but i've put my 2 cents on the cards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Vanity is clutch, sure, but it's unreliable for the reasons that were stated. Djinn, however... Djinn becomes fucking stupid for the fact that it can be paired with an Archetype that can toolbox itself, and also very easily get Djinn's effect into play. Which is another fine example of why consistency/etc trumps luck every time; Not that anyone cares for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflame Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 Ban Lavalval Chain Vanity at 1 is pretty fine in my books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutrality Man Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 denko is a quite a problem, though, You still can negate its summon using Solemn Warning, or negate its effects using Effect Veiler. I hope you were talking about Denko in this entire post for whatever reason, because you can't Veiler a Djinn lock away. It's not the Ritual monster's effect, but a bonus trait granted by the effect of Releaser, which is either in hand, in the grave, or banished; where Veiler can't reach him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astolfo Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 People actually use Imperial Custom/66 to protect Vanity? Wat. Vanity is potentially devastating, but it can easily self-destruct, making the controller have to limit stuff they can do as well as protecting it from their opponent. Djinn Lock is sort of like "I'm going to make a non-summon negatable one side Vanity, and fuck you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 8, 2015 Report Share Posted June 8, 2015 You can Veiler a Djinn lock away - just Veiler the Lavalval Chain so they can't dump Djinn. If they drew Djinn, well, they'll be so far behind that if you do break the Djinn lock you'll win and you have plenty of turns to do it since they don't have many cards to win with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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