Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 So there have been some rumblings about this card regarding the OCG's recent attempt to push synchros. Banned way back in 2006 for being able to tool cards off tributes. One may argue that it's only gotten better since then True and false. It will largely help Synchro decks out a fair bit, but the main combo piece, Sangan is currently banned. Unlike many other toolboxes, such as AHL, this card requires commitment. And will finally give Synchro an edge over XYZ. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VampireofDarkness Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I have never liked what this card tends to allow. However, if Konami wants to push Synchros as fast as possible, this is the 1 card that could do that on its own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I have never liked what this card tends to allow. However, if Konami wants to push Synchros as fast as possible, this is the 1 card that could do that on its own And what might that be? I mean if its something like normal blazeman, add poly, then be able to Last Will into Shadow Mist. That's not too bad IMO. TCG is only lacking Trishula OCG is only lacking Bulb and Goyo It's not enough as is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Banned way back in 2006 for being able to tool cards off tributes. One may argue that it's only gotten better since then You could argue that. The same way I could argue that 15 is a bigger number than 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 You could argue that. The same way I could argue that 15 is a bigger number than 5. Not really, the game is faster where having a monster hit the grave, and THEN getting a tool is good but not gamebreaking It's not such a cut and dry case mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry West Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I do sometimes use this card, and it's actually pretty good. I run this card in my exodia deck. I activate Ultimate Offering, tribute Witch of the black forest for Vampire Dragon, tribute Vampire Dragon for Vampire Dragon, summon more monsters like sumoner monk to get more monsters out of my deck, then I activate Last will, and this adds 3-4 Exodia pieces to my hand. I also run dark hole and 2 Damage Gate cards to destroy/bring witch of the black forest/sangan back. I sometimes use Hieroglyph Lithograph with Guarded Treasure as well. I only play my exodia Deck for fun though, or when someone questions my dueling capabilities :) just kidding. This card has many uses though, which is why I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Its really good in traditional shaddolls, Summon sangan/Witch, fuse and ++++++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 I have never liked what this card tends to allow. However, if Konami wants to push Synchros as fast as possible, this is the 1 card that could do that on its own Pretty sure Fusion and Xyz Decks can make huge plays off this as well, just not the way Synchros do. Not to mention Hands. I feel like this is one of those "make a retrain first" cards, maybe limited to Tuners or somethin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 There's no denying the card is way too good and deserves to stay banned. However, I honestly don't think it would do much at all in the current game outside of just being damn good. In other words, it wouldn't be game-breaking like Snatch Steal was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 So can someone actually give reasoning for why it should remain banned rather than just giving vague comments about how "broken" it apparently is? All its really good targets (Cat, Sangan and Witch) are banned and staying banned and right now I can't think of anything it can search that would be especially game-breaking, especially since being able to trigger it is not a given. I'd be interested to see it unbanned just to see what people can do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 So can someone actually give reasoning for why it should remain banned rather than just giving vague comments about how "broken" it apparently is? All its really good targets (Cat, Sangan and Witch) are banned and staying banned and right now I can't think of anything it can search that would be especially game-breaking, especially since being able to trigger it is not a given. I'd be interested to see it unbanned just to see what people can do with it. :D But on the other hand it's Tellarknights so a monster being sent to grave isn't that likely since materials aren't monsters. Yeah, I'm honestly lost. TBH, the more I experiment with traditional, the more I feel a big number of cards is on the list just because they've been put there a wild ago and are sitting there since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinny Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Well BA would probably enjoy it. Not a massive buff though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Well BA would probably enjoy it. Not a massive buff though.Xyz decks barely benefit from this. You need a monster to be sent to grave from field. Xyz materials aren't monsters. Only way you would trigger this in BA would be by Fire Lake'ing during your turn, or synching into Virgil. That's not that many options, unless you wanna do subpar plays like ramming your Dante into something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 So can someone actually give reasoning for why it should remain banned rather than just giving vague comments about how "broken" it apparently is? All its really good targets (Cat, Sangan and Witch) are banned and staying banned and right now I can't think of anything it can search that would be especially game-breaking, especially since being able to trigger it is not a given. I'd be interested to see it unbanned just to see what people can do with it.Plant-based Decks can trigger this with Lonefire Blossom and use it to get a second Blossom, which if memory serves can allow Shooting Star/Stardust Warrior/Stardust Chronicle/etc combos. -Lonefire into Dandylion-Last Will into second Lonefire-Dandylion into 3rd Lonefire, get 2 Tokens-Lonefire into Spore-Make Formula-Revive Spore at LV4-Make Stardust Not saying it's game-breaking, but we can get into asinine sheet fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Plant-based Decks can trigger this with Lonefire Blossom and use it to get a second Blossom, which if memory serves can allow Shooting Star/Stardust Warrior/Stardust Chronicle/etc combos. -Lonefire into Dandylion-Last Will into second Lonefire-Dandylion into 3rd Lonefire, get 2 Tokens-Lonefire into Spore-Make Formula-Revive Spore at LV4-Make Stardust Not saying it's game-breaking, but we can get into asinine sheet fast.This involves drawing 1 Lonefire and 1 Last Will, without drawing a single of Spore, 2/3rd Lonefire or Dandylion. I think we were past those combos being thought of as OP? They're incredibly situational. Sure, you will pull them off more often than not, but it's not that Chronicle or whatever you want to summon is really that threatening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 I think it shouldn't come back, but I can't think of a solid reason it really can't... Well, aside from the fact that Sangan shouldn't be banned, but yeah. Highspeed Riders may change that, though, so do be wary about this before we see what the Synchro Dimension adds to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 This involves drawing 1 Lonefire and 1 Last Will, without drawing a single of Spore, 2/3rd Lonefire or Dandylion. I think we were past those combos being thought of as OP? They're incredibly situational. Sure, you will pull them off more often than not, but it's not that Chronicle or whatever you want to summon is really that threatening.Drawing the 2nd Lonefire doesn't matter, it was just deck thinning here. Opening all 3 would suck, but that's rarely gonna happen. And I'm not saying it's OP, I'm saying "Last Will enables tricks that can motivate people to make decks like this". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLG Klavier Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Drawing the 2nd Lonefire doesn't matter, it was just deck thinning here. Opening all 3 would suck, but that's rarely gonna happen. And I'm not saying it's OP, I'm saying "Last Will enables tricks that can motivate people to make decks like this".And is that bad? If anything, this card would be a really good unban to encourage Synchro strategies again, since Last Will favors them heavily and doesn't work with Xyz at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 If anything, just semi-limit/limit funking Lonefire. That card at 3 has all sorts of problems anyway, such as Symbols of Heritage being limited and Lonefire+Soul Charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 And is that bad? If anything, this card would be a really good unban to encourage Synchro strategies again, since Last Will favors them heavily and doesn't work with Xyz at all.I dunno, I just see Last Will as one of those cards somebody will find some way to break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Heros maybe. But you guys don't have stratos so it's not a problem even there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Heros maybe. But you guys don't have stratos so it's not a problem even thereI think it shouldn't come back, but I can't think of a solid reason it really can't... Well, aside from the fact that Sangan shouldn't be banned, but yeah. Highspeed Riders may change that, though, so do be wary about this before we see what the Synchro Dimension adds to the game.Just gonna reiterate that, because HSPR isn't out for 2 more months, and it's a lot more relevant to Last Will than other things, though DOCS may be, too. That said, it won't hit TCG for a while yet, so maybe it could be free until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just gonna reiterate that, because HSPR isn't out for 2 more months, and it's a lot more relevant to Last Will than other things, though DOCS may be, too.That said, it won't hit TCG for a while yet, so maybe it could be free until then.Thing is, they ain't gonna top Trishula synchro wise. They ain't gonna top bulb tuner wise. HSPR is bound insid those lines and Will is honestly fine even in a format with both bulb and Trishula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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