Airride Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Desperate RitualRitual SpellThis card can be used to Ritual Summon any 1 Ritual Monster from your graveyard. You must also Banish monsters from your hand or field whose total Levels equal the Level of that Ritual Monster. When that Ritual Monster leaves the field; Banish it face-down. The turn this card is activated, you cannot Special Summon other monsters. When this card is sent from your hand or deck to the graveyard: Add it to your hand. You can only activate 1 effect of "Desperate Ritual" per turn. Debated on having the banished monster be exact or not. Decided on no for now, since...I'm not sure.Lots of other restrictions on it.also yes its an obvious attempt of making saffira fit into lightsworn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah since we are talking about any Ritual Monster, I'd advice in favor of exact Levels rather than loose ones.Loose Levels was for a time when bigger Levels meant more cost, but ever since Synchros and Xyzs exist, it has been pretty much demonstrated that matching exact Levels for virtually anything is not as hard as it might sound. That's why Konami has kept Levels exact for a while now. Nekroz even have further restrictions like "we don't let you fill up the Tribute requirements with a single Tribute there". Other than that, I'm personally fine with the concept of a Nekroz Cycle a little bit watered down for a more generic use.Also, Mind Control seems to be live with this card because nowhere in it says it Tributes. That is not a bad thing, it'd be the closest thing we'd have to Monarchs Stormforth for Rituals that doesn't skip the Battle Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 A Recyclable Ritual Spell? Yeah, no. I tried this with an archetype once, but it ended badly, CnC wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah since we are talking about any Ritual Monster, I'd advice in favor of exact Levels rather than loose ones.Loose Levels was for a time when bigger Levels meant more cost, but ever since Synchros and Xyzs exist, it has been pretty much demonstrated that matching exact Levels for virtually anything is not as hard as it might sound. That's why Konami has kept Levels exact for a while now. Nekroz even have further restrictions like "we don't let you fill up the Tribute requirements with a single Tribute there". Other than that, I'm personally fine with the concept of a Nekroz Cycle a little bit watered down for a more generic use.Also, Mind Control seems to be live with this card because nowhere in it says it Tributes. That is not a bad thing, it'd be the closest thing we'd have to Monarchs Stormforth for Rituals that doesn't skip the Battle Phase.Like I said, it was designed mostly to have Saffira work in LS. Exact is a bit harder for them but...eh. I'll change it.Also, I'm considering changing the "No SS clause" to a "No attack on this turn" clause. Y/N? A Recyclable Ritual Spell? Yeah, no. I tried this with an archetype once, but it ended badly, CnC wise.It's not really recyclable, since it has to be sent directly to the graveyard. It doesn't cycle itself on use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GarlandChaos Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 It's not really recyclable, since it has to be sent directly to the graveyard. It doesn't cycle itself on use.So, like, since Spells go from the field to the grave upon use, it doesn't count? Alright, less broken then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Oh yeah I knew I was forgetting something: I forgot to talk about the recyclable part of the effect.Yeah well..... that's iffy in that it is essentially a Sinister Serpent pre-errata that comes back instantly.I'm one of those people that argue that Sinister Serpent didn't really need the errata to come back into the game, but this card is notably better.Rather than suggest you remove that completely, how does it sound if instead of returning it to the hand, you Set it on the field?That way you could Summoner Monk with it or whatever you wanna do and still have it back, just not back to where it is immediately reusable as a cost there. Also, just so that I don't ignore the reply you made to my previous comment:I'm not too familiar with LS nowadays, except that they pretty much have everything back (well, technically back in the day they had 2 Foolish Burial, 2 Cards of Safe Return, and less of the other toys LS can nowadays use, but you get the idea)... however, wouldn't they still have it relatively easy to use double Lumina or Celestia or Infernoids if they go that variant? I know Infernoids have this Level 2 Normal Summonable monster and LS have a decent amount of Level 4s so there could also be that... err I don't really know what I'm talking about when it comes to LSs..... Still would opt for exact Levels though.... or a custom Ritual that'd fit their Levels better to make pair with this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuriena Posted July 3, 2015 Report Share Posted July 3, 2015 Yeah since we are talking about any Ritual Monster, I'd advice in favor of exact Levels rather than loose ones.Loose Levels was for a time when bigger Levels meant more cost, but ever since Synchros and Xyzs exist, it has been pretty much demonstrated that matching exact Levels for virtually anything is not as hard as it might sound. That's why Konami has kept Levels exact for a while now. Nekroz even have further restrictions like "we don't let you fill up the Tribute requirements with a single Tribute there". Well, it's not that Konami has stopped releasing loose Ritual Spell Cards, but that Ritual Spells are conventionally loose if they can only Ritual Summon 1 specific Ritual Monster, while those that can Ritual Summon Ritual Monsters with different names are exact. You'll find that Advanced Ritual Art, all the Nekroz Ritual Spells, End of the World, etc. are exact, while 聖占術の儀式, despite being a rather recent Ritual Spell, is loose. Although Desperate Ritual does fall under the exact category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted July 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2015 Alright, made a few changes:>Made it exact levels. Obvious reasons.>Made it not able to activate if you recurred it that turn, and only able to recur once per turn. Serpent does have a notable advantage of being a monster. I might add a cost to the recursion, but I'm not sure what would make an appropriate cost for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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