ihop Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Banned:Denko SekkaDjinn Releaser of RitualsRoyal Magical LibraryThunder King Rai-OhNekroz of TrishulaRaigekiBlaze Fenix, the Burning Bombardment BirdVanity's EmptinessMistake Limited:Qliphort StealthGraff, Malebranche of the Burning AbyssShurit, Strategist of the NekrozEl Shaddoll ConstructLavalval ChainA Hero LivesEmergency TeleportReinforcement of the ArmyWavering EyesMind Crush Semi-LimitedFire Formation - TenkiSummoner's ArtCompulsory Evacuation Device UnlimitedChaos SorcerorGlow-Up BulbTragoedia Will justify anything on request, PLEASE do not use the word salt or anything similar or else I will just assume your IQ is a single digit and can produce no reasonable argument against anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodfusion Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Why is Rai-Oh banned, out of curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 The card is ridiculously good against certain matchups. Summong it turn 1 against Qli or Tellars will always set them back at least one turn, and if they don't have a trap which destroys or has lingering negation like BTS they'll be even further behind or will be forced to bait it out and lose both a card and a lot of the speed of their deck. In a format where decks rely on being able to search repeatedly every turn in order to maintain advantage any card that blocks searching is too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I kinda disagree with banning both Mistake and Thunder King. All we have to respond to searching then is Shared Ride and all that does it set the opponent back a turn, if anything. It will encourage more mass searching which is boring and degenerate. I'd just keep them both @1 to be honest, but if you really want to ban Mistake, at least keep TKing. At least you have to summon TKing preemptively, unlike Mistake, which you can chain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Banned:Denko SekkaSo uh.. Nekroz are down trish + shurit + both rotas, shadolls only have 1 construct and el shaddoll fusion. RBs lost 2 E-Teles. Is there anything this card can do anymore other than like, let you drop a rank 4 xyz unimpeded or something? It goes from cold wave with legs to trap stun that takes your normal summon. On ETele: Cant you just hit steed's? I mean, that card's almost literally "destroy all monsters your opponent controls" on a trap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I kinda disagree with banning both Mistake and Thunder King. All we have to respond to searching then is Shared Ride and all that does it set the opponent back a turn, if anything. It will encourage more mass searching which is boring and degenerate. I'd just keep them both @1 to be honest, but if you really want to ban Mistake, at least keep TKing. At least you have to summon TKing preemptively, unlike Mistake, which you can chain. Searching is such an important part of the game now for every deck, it's not even "mass searching", just essential searching, look at decks like Qli and Tellars that search once or twice per turn but are always going to be forced to do so and cannot operate without doing so. They're both just so good against the majority of decks these days. So uh.. Nekroz are down trish + shurit + both rotas, shadolls only have 1 construct and el shaddoll fusion. RBs lost 2 E-Teles. Is there anything this card can do anymore other than like, let you drop a rank 4 xyz unimpeded or something? It goes from cold wave with legs to trap stun that takes your normal summon. On ETele: Cant you just hit steed's? I mean, that card's almost literally "destroy all monsters your opponent controls" on a trap. I banned Denko mainly on principle, there's always going to be decks released that have the ability to abuse it. It may well not be good immediately after the list but I'd rather not risk it being as big as it's been at times this format again.I suppose I could hit steeds but that would really bugger the deck, I think E-Tele is a really strong, maybe too strong card on its own. I know it limits strategies such as Re-Cover or whatever, but I still think the card's really strong. I'd like to lightly hit RBs in some way, maybe 2 Elder 2 E-Tele or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen of the Abyss Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 The problem is if you hit Ritual Beast, it has a chance of destroying the entire Deck. Elder is very important, same with E Tele. It's not like Shaddolls where you can hit El Shaddoll and they can adapt well. Ritual Beast aren't considered to be high tier for a reason. The rest of the list is amazing though, probably the best of all these hullabaloo, and is what we need right now if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Interesting pick with Stealth as the Qliphort hit. I imagine that's because of its OTK enabling, correct?Also, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind Tenki. Last I checked, Yosenjus weren't doing much and I'm not sure they deserve a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 The problem is if you hit Ritual Beast, it has a chance of destroying the entire Deck. Elder is very important, same with E Tele. It's not like Shaddolls where you can hit El Shaddoll and they can adapt well. Ritual Beast aren't considered to be high tier for a reason. The rest of the list is amazing though, probably the best of all these hullabaloo, and is what we need right now if you ask me. Yeah, I guess, but I feel like the deck's still really good and with its worst matchup destroyed it may be very good. I might just end up semi-limiting Steeds just to make it a little less powerful because that won't have too much impact. Interesting pick with Stealth as the Qliphort hit. I imagine that's because of its OTK enabling, correct? Also, I'd like to hear the reasoning behind Tenki. Last I checked, Yosenjus weren't doing much and I'm not sure they deserve a hit. I hit Stealth mainly because it's the only one that seems obvious to hit - any less than 4 Scout and the deck is unplayable, Monolith, Re-Qliate, Shell and Disk aren't played at any more than 1 anyway so hitting them would be pointless and I don't want to ban anything from Qli, Carrier and Helix are just pawns that aren't what's causing the problem. Stealth is amazingly good and amazingly versatile and I dislike cards that cannot be responded to. I also hit Swaying Gaze because Towers turbo is literally just a more resilient FTK deck that shouldn't exist. Tenki, idk, I'm concerned about Yosenju creeping up after everything's hit because the deck is really aids and I really think type searchers should move toward being limited if given a real reason. It's a borderline call, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Well you hit the big floodgates, and that's kind of the bread and butter of Yosenju; so I don't think you need to worry about them creeping up. But yeah, those reasons make sense, and I appreciate that you're interested in keeping these decks playable instead of just chopping the heads off the meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maeriberii Haan Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Thoughts on L1T and whether it's list-worthy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I made a pretty detailed post about my thoughts on any floodgate other than Mistake so I think unless something changes it's ok at 3 at least for the time being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synchronized Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 I love the list. EXCEPT TKRO, which I believe should be at 3 always and will really never be convinced otherwise. It's a balanced card that suffers because it's a good counter against stuff Konami is trying to sell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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