Call from the XYZ dimension

[Rjlikestoduel]

 

 

Select 2 or more monsters that meet the requirement for the summon of an XYZ monster. Tribute them, negating their effects in the graveyard and special summon an XYZ monster from the extra deck. The monster summoned by this effect does not need to detach XYZ material to activate it's effects. Monsters summoned by this card can only activate their effects once per Turn.

 

-You can pay 1000 Life Points x the number of Materials to XYZ Summon using Monsters from your Hand, instead of on the Field to activate this Effect.

 

 

[Astolfo]

Considering most Xyz monsters have an OPT on their effects anyways, this is just free unlimited effect usage essentially.

Also, that second effect is just waiting to let Xyz spam be abused to ridiculous amounts.

 

Also the fact that neither of the effects have a hard OPT.

 

However, the thing is, I'm not really sure if most decks would want to actually use deck space to tech this in.

The card concept itself though, is not good in my opinion.

[Rjlikestoduel]

Considering most Xyz monsters have an OPT on their effects anyways, this is just free unlimited effect usage essentially.

Also, that second effect is just waiting to let Xyz spam be abused to ridiculous amounts.

 

Also the fact that neither of the effects have a hard OPT.

 

However, the thing is, I'm not really sure if most decks would want to actually use deck space to tech this in.

The card concept itself though, is not good in my opinion.

Yup, thats pretty much the point. I find XYZ monster's greatest weakness is that their abilities can only be used 2-3 times then that's it.

 

this card makes act more like fusion monsters. with that said, it's gating to monsters with a "during either player's turn" effect. 

 

also the summoned monsters dont have xyz materials so something like utoopia would die instantly unless you got out ray and some others to cover. 

 

i fail to see the Spam potential here. you have to pay some heavy costs to use this card from the hand, the tributed monsters in the GY cant use their effects. 

 

Personally i find it would make a good slide in when dueling with an XYZ deck against a control deck that say stops summoning of higher levels or your basic monsters altogether. 

[shadowsapex]

Are you guys saying that this card isn't good? This card is crazy! Imagine Castel, ARK, Dark Rebellion, whatever I'm not thinking of, being able to use their effects infinitely! The cost isn't even that heavy. It's just 2000-3000 LP for an absolute gamechanger, from the hand! Way too broken.

No one uses Utopia, so that point is moot.

[Astolfo]

Utopia is pointless, since you'd literally only use it to go into S39 Lightning.

[Trebuchet MS]

Yup, thats pretty much the point. I find XYZ monster's greatest weakness is that their abilities can only be used 2-3 times then that's it.

That was practically the whole design intention. Take that away and you defeat the gimmick's purpose.

 

Are you guys saying that this card isn't good? This card is crazy! Imagine Castel, ARK, Dark Rebellion, whatever I'm not thinking of, being able to use their effects infinitely!

Mm-hm. I believe what was being said is that the idea behind the card is not good, due to the balance-breaking that arises from it.

[Rjlikestoduel]

That was practically the whole design intention. Take that away and you defeat the gimmick's purpose.

Im going to disagree here. that would be like saying to synchro summon the monsters HAVE to be on the feild, but now there are cards for that so you can just use another monster in the hand. Similarly what originally gated high level monsters was the need to tribute, and now they get spammed like it's no tomorrow. Hell remember when rituals were harder to summon? not anymore. This card in particular that I made has alleviated some things when it comes to XYZ summoning, but I feel i placed in enough gates (such as the only ONCE per turn and not during either players turn) to make it some semblance of balanced, because as of right now (and this is personal opinion) Synchros in design are infinitely better.

 

 

 

Mm-hm. I believe what was being said is that the idea behind the card is not good, due to the balance-breaking that arises from it.

 

 

Are you guys saying that this card isn't good? This card is crazy! Imagine Castel, ARK, Dark Rebellion, whatever I'm not thinking of, being able to use their effects infinitely! The cost isn't even that heavy. It's just 2000-3000 LP for an absolute gamechanger, from the hand! Way too broken.

 

you still need the appropriate materials.... 3000 is alot to pay and ive seen Konami release worse 

 

 

Your criticisms will be noted, however for future card designs. 

[Astolfo]

Because obviously, Konami breaking things means it's a good idea to do the same.

#UsingKonamiStandards

[Flash Flyer - Sakura]

Konami making horribly unbalanced and awfully designed cards is NOT a reason you can do so.

Yes, Spellbook of Judgment is badly designed and got banned as a result [along with Rulers], however that doesn't mean you should be making broken cards in this section.

(Come to think of it, I think Black or Koko wrote the original wording of this.)

 

But anyway, Xyz Summoning using materials from the hand is indeed asking for trouble, especially when you factor in high Rank Xyz and other things.

While yes, there exist cards that can use Synchro Materials from the hand, those cards have limited applications.

 

(i.e. Cyber Magician can only make T.G. monsters, which is restricted to the Level 5s for the most part right now, Eccentric Boy negates the effect of whatever it's used to summon + banishes it if it leaves the field.)

 

Yes, this card makes higher Rank Xyz easier to summon [without getting them on the field], but they are of high Rank because their effects generally warrant them to be such.

 

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Same goes for the "no detach" thing.

Yes, most Xyz have a limited amount of times they can activate their effects, but that's the point.

 

You figure out when it's the most opportune time to trigger whatever effect you want, and detach accordingly.

 

Then again, stuff like Castel is already hard OPT, so that limitation is moot, so you're essentially giving the player a free deck bouncer.

 

There is also the issue with Ptolemaeus (which requires 3 mats to go into whatever R5, and 7 to skip the opponent's turn), and is a R4 (a common Level for most Decks). Do you want to give Decks who can make it free access to that second effect, or instant Rank-Up into an R5 (and subsequent CyDra Infinity)?

 

Right now, this card not requiring the monster to detach its materials means that you can do either of those effects for free.

[Rjlikestoduel]

Yes, Spellbook of Judgment is badly designed and got banned as a result [along with Rulers], however that doesn't mean you should be making broken cards in this section.

(Come to think of it, I think Black or Koko wrote the original wording of this.)

 

But anyway, Xyz Summoning using materials from the hand is indeed asking for trouble, especially when you factor in high Rank Xyz and other things.

While yes, there exist cards that can use Synchro Materials from the hand, those cards have limited applications.

 

(i.e. Cyber Magician can only make T.G. monsters, which is restricted to the Level 5s for the most part right now, Eccentric Boy negates the effect of whatever it's used to summon + banishes it if it leaves the field.)

 

Yes, this card makes higher Rank Xyz easier to summon [without getting them on the field], but they are of high Rank because their effects generally warrant them to be such.

 

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Same goes for the "no detach" thing.

Yes, most Xyz have a limited amount of times they can activate their effects, but that's the point.

 

You figure out when it's the most opportune time to trigger whatever effect you want, and detach accordingly.

 

Then again, stuff like Castel is already hard OPT, so that limitation is moot, so you're essentially giving the player a free deck bouncer.

 

There is also the issue with Ptolemaeus (which requires 3 mats to go into whatever R5, and 7 to skip the opponent's turn), and is a R4 (a common Level for most Decks). Do you want to give Decks who can make it free access to that second effect, or instant Rank-Up into an R5 (and subsequent CyDra Infinity)?

 

Right now, this card not requiring the monster to detach its materials means that you can do either of those effects for free.

the second effect was added because the card felt under powered without it.

 

if you remove that effect you just kinda get an awkward card, who's only real plus is infinite ability xyz.

 

if i were to bother compromising on this the effect would read

 

 

 

Select 2 or more monsters that meet the requirement for the summon of an XYZ monster. Tribute them, negating their effects in the graveyard and special summon an XYZ monster from the extra deck. The monster summoned by this effect does not need to detach XYZ material to activate it's effects. Monsters summoned by this card can only activate their effects once per Turn, and cannot be used as Synchro, Xyz, or Fusion Material

[shadowsapex]

That last line doesn't help because who uses Xyz monsters as fusion or synchro material? And the broken part about this card is infinite materials. You could probably keep the Xyz from hand part and it would be perfectly fine.

Or, how bout you make it so it can summon from hand for free but only activate its effect once?

Besides, you're not addressing the point Sakura made about Ptolemaeus being able to skip the opponent's turn infinitely. I'd suggest you limit the effect to when exactly one Xyz material would be detached.

[Astolfo]

Select 2 or more monsters that meet the requirement for the summon of an XYZ monster. Tribute them, negating their effects in the graveyard and special summon an XYZ monster from the extra deck. The monster summoned by this effect does not need to detach XYZ material to activate it's effects. Monsters summoned by this card can only activate their effects once per Turn, and cannot be used as Synchro, Xyz, or Fusion Material

Free effects without any actual cost or drawback are a no.

And literally the only reasonable time an Xyz would be used as a material for anything else is another Xyz, and that's rare in the first place.

OCG has Super Poly -> Norden, but that's a different matter, this is for TCG.

No Synchro/Fusion thing means just about nothing.