40% of Millennials OK with limiting speech offensive to minorities

[VCR_CAT]

This directed at nobody in particular, but after reading a lot of this I feel the need to say it.

 

Just because you don't find something offensive doesn't mean either of these things (re: words/phrases that have been widely considered offensive):

- It's okay to use it whenever, because that also means it isn't offensive for anyone else

- Nobody else has good reason for finding it offensive, therefore you are in the right for continuing these practices.

 

If someone finds something you're saying or doing offensive or shitty, you shut that down ASAP. I don't care how "valid" you feel their offense is, I don't care if they're "just words". Your "privilege" to say crap is as meaningless as you feel the words themselves are. Have some decency towards fellow people; be willing to just compromise on what you said no matter how you feel about it. Because hey: Other people are people too. Nobody likes it when others say crap they don't like. Swallow your pride and wash your mouth with some soap; because it means a lot to people when you have this level of courtesy and empathy. I honestly -DO NOT- care if you believe "They're just words, I should be able to say them". Because you know what, yeah they are just words. Which means you should have no problem just not saying them. If something is truly meaningless, then it should be something you have no problem just letting go of; not defending and attempting to hold onto. Just don't say those words. You have nothing to gain from saying them, and only others to piss of by doing so.

 

 

 

Regarding the subject at hand, I honestly don't care either way. The Freedom of Speech argument is a slippery slope and verbal abuse is an issue that should be addressed. Simply saying these words being illegal probably isn't the best route, but what people need to learn is just general decency towards others.

 

Just Don't Be a Dick

[Tentacruel]

To me, freedom of speech just means that the government can't legally restrict you from expressing yourself.

[Agro]

Don't Be a Dick

hey it's my motto, what are you doing here?

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but what can you do?

 

Please do not drive this topic down with mindless Identity Politics please. If the Identity Politics continue I will lock this topic on site, and I really don't want to.

 

That goes for everyone, regardless of whether they did it or not.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The problem with motherf***ers today is that you're all too comfy. You're too f***ing complacent. You can be a keyboard warrior and think you can get away with saying what you want as far as my brother's go. It may not be "hate speech" but you better f***ing believe we hate it.

Who appointed you to be the representative of all blacks?

[vla1ne]

 

I was hoping it wouldn't come to this, but what can you do?

 

Please do not drive this topic down with mindless Identity Politics please. If the Identity Politics continue I will lock this topic on site, and I really don't want to.

 

That goes for everyone, regardless of whether they did it or not.

 

sorry bout that. as for the actual discussion at hand:

We asked whether people believe that citizens should be able to make public statements that are offensive to minority groups, or whether the government should be able to prevent people from saying these things. Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups, while 58% said such speech is OK.

 

 

To me, this is a large nope. the government should not be allowed to, and should not have to, moderate conversations. i am fine with society doing so (outside of angry mob form) but government should stay as far away from the peoples speech as it can.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

sorry bout that. as for the actual discussion at hand:

We asked whether people believe that citizens should be able to make public statements that are offensive to minority groups, or whether the government should be able to prevent people from saying these things. Four-in-ten Millennials say the government should be able to prevent people publicly making statements that are offensive to minority groups, while 58% said such speech is OK.

 

 

To me, this is a large nope. the government should not be allowed to, and should not have to, moderate conversations. i am fine with society doing so (outside of angry mob form) but government should stay as far away from the peoples speech as it can.

 

Even in angry mob form I don't mind it, as long as physical violence is not used. Idiots who say dumb crap should be hounded for it.

[vla1ne]

Even in angry mob form I don't mind it, as long as physical violence is not used. Idiots who say dumb crap should be hounded for it.

That's the reason i'm somewhat against angry mob form. In angry mob form people lean towards violence more often than not, and that's where everything goes downhill. If there's no violence, then that's fine, but is seems like when it comes to angry mobs, there's always one guy who throws a chair.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

That's the reason i'm somewhat against angry mob form. In angry mob form people lean towards violence more often than not, and that's where everything goes downhill. If there's no violence, then that's fine, but is seems like when it comes to angry mobs, there's always one guy who throws a chair.

 

I agree with that sentiment.

[Trebuchet MS]

Can I intentionally act offended to close off conversation options and take the absurdity of this movement to its logical extreme?

 

What? I'm not a minority? Damn, I knew this plan had a flaw.

[Tentacruel]

So does that exclude women?  They're not a minority. 

[epicmemesbro]

I've been wondering, what about minorities saying hate speech to other minorities. Or bigger yet, minorities saying hate speech towards the majority. The reason I brought this up because chances are the majority of the 40% that agreed believes that minorities can't be racist:

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KGvPA0nNQH0

[King K. Azo]

You know... One thing I realized... A lot of people have died for the freedom of speech. We tried to liberate other lands for this right (almost others things, I know, but this is a reason to). Many of the millennials would not even have a freedom of speech to limit if people didn't sacrificed their life for it.

 

By limiting the freedom of speech, aren't we just spitting on the graves of those people? And for what? So a few feelings will not be hurt? Their families will never see or even meet their mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, grandparents, children, or siblings because they gave their lives for the protection of this land and the rights we are allotted, freedom of speech included.

 

I know people will abuse this, as everything is abused. A car is a good thing. It can take you places, help you get food, and bond with people. On the other hand, cars can help rob banks, kill people, or let crazy people get to other places... It is obviously abused, but we don't limit cars. We don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

 

Honestly, the best solution is not to limit the freedom but educate the people. I was bullied a lot as a child... I mean... A lot. Everything imaginable that you could throw at a kid was thrown at me, partially because I was Asian, partly because I was just different. But you know what? As people got older and learned more about me and started to realize the world was bigger than their little town, the bullying got less and less and eventually stopped.

 

I know even with that, so,e people will still not change. But should those few people ruin everything else for the majority that doesn't abuse it?

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

By limiting the freedom of speech, aren't we just spitting on the graves of those people? And for what? So a few feelings will not be hurt? Their families will never see or even meet their mothers, fathers, uncles, aunts, grandparents, children, or siblings because they gave their lives for the protection of this land and the rights we are allotted, freedom of speech included.

I feel this is backwards logic. Those freedoms those people died for include our right to choose our path in life. If this is the path people choose then its following the principles those people died for.

Also I'd like to point out you are saying a few feelings not being hurt don't matter, yet claim that the dead soldiers being, in your own personal opinion, disrespected does. It feels really backwards to claim such a thing.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I feel the ability to be controversial works itself out.

 

If I were to keep praising Hitler, I'd get weeded out on my own, there's no need to be PC about matters when basic human nature will eventually weed out the undesirable natures

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

I feel the ability to be controversial works itself out.

 

If I were to keep praising Hitler, I'd get weeded out on my own, there's no need to be PC about matters when basic human nature will eventually weed out the undesirable natures

I wish this were true, but seeing how much of that still exists and isn't taken care of, that's not really true.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I wish this were true, but seeing how much of that still exists and isn't taken care of, that's not really true.

It is true. Like KKK support has gone down. Or Homophobicity has gone down. It's slow, but letting nature take it's course is healthier than artificially putting standards on people

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

It is true. Like KKK support has gone down. Or Homophobicity has gone down. It's slow, but letting nature take it's course is healthier than artificially putting standards on people

Well that's true yeah, but I feel that it's a dangerous kind of thing. It can easily be dragged back down to the wrong path.

I suppose we both want the same thing, just we have different ideas for how the best way to reach it is?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Well that's true yeah, but I feel that it's a dangerous kind of thing. It can easily be dragged back down to the wrong path.

I suppose we both want the same thing, just we have different ideas for how the best way to reach it is?

It can be unpleasant yes. But I'm confident that the plight of the Civil Rights movement was what made racism die down instead of a bill passed by congress. Things have to be earned and accepted over time for them to stick. I look to the future not the present

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Well that's true yeah, but I feel that it's a dangerous kind of thing. It can easily be dragged back down to the wrong path.

That is the logic that many people have said when denying other people their freedoms. It was-

 

Dangerous

Wrong

Immoral

Problematic

 

Back in the 1920's, flappers were considered the worst of American culture and were constantly censored because of their revealing clothing. In the 1950's being a Communist was considered a dangerous political belief that needed to be prevented. Bottom line is, no matter how right you perceive what you say over another, you have no right to deny a KKK supporter or Holocaust denier their right to speak. You are not above or below them.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

That is the logic that many people have said when denying other people their freedoms. It was-

 

Dangerous

Wrong

Immoral

Problematic

 

Back in the 1920's, flappers were considered the worst of American culture and were constantly censored because of their revealing clothing. In the 1950's being a Communist was considered a dangerous political belief that needed to be prevented. Bottom line is, no matter how right you perceive what you say over another, you have no right to deny a KKK supporter or Holocaust denier their right to speak. You are not above or below them.

Exactly! Society as a whole will deny them. There is no need for us (as individuals) to get our hands dirty.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

Exactly! Society as a whole will deny them. There is no need for us (as individuals) to get our hands dirty.

Here's the problems though. Right now, the idea of being the opposite of a Progressive is considered bad. Republicans and Conservatives in the media are constantly being demonized and millennials seem to be under the impression that the Left is the only way to be. Therefore, many will disregard facts as longas they can remain in that "Progressive Sphere" and not be thought of as anti-left.

 

Another thing is the complete lack of self-awareness. These people don't understand how similar this is to Fascism. In fact, they'll outright deny it to the point of delusional thinking. They refuse to believe that their beliefs are in any way similar to the beliefs of the Soviet's and Nazi's before them.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Here's the problems though. Right now, the idea of being the opposite of a Progressive is considered bad. Republicans and Conservatives in the media are constantly being demonized and millennials seem to be under the impression that the Left is the only way to be. Therefore, many will disregard facts as longas they can remain in that "Progressive Sphere" and not be thought of as anti-left.

 

Another thing is the complete lack of self-awareness. These people don't understand how similar this is to Fascism. In fact, they'll outright deny it to the point of delusional thinking. They refuse to believe that their beliefs are in any way similar to the beliefs of the Soviet's and Nazi's before them.

That's because the republicans are being heartless or trying to appease the 1% or are like Huckabee and are just outright crazy

 

I'm a Raegen Era conservative, but trust me, the "republicans" and "conservatives" of the current era are making the old man roll in his damn grave.

[Halubaris Maphotika]

I'm a Raegen Era conservative, but trust me, the "republicans" and "conservatives" of the current era are making the old man roll in his damn grave.

Dear Lord. You know Conservatives are in a rut when being a Reagan Era Conservative is considered an improvement...

 

I miss when being a Conservative didn't suck, like Dwight D. Eisenhower or Calvin Coolidge, Those were the days.

 

JK <3 U BAE

[LordCowCowCowCowCowCowCowCow]

That's because the republicans are being heartless or trying to appease the 1% or are like Huckabee and are just outright crazy

 

I'm a Raegen Era conservative, but trust me, the "republicans" and "conservatives" of the current era are making the old man roll in his damn grave.

Basically yes. Personally I have not many issues with the conservative/republican ideas as they're meant to be. But when given the choice between modern Republicans and modern Democrats, usually it's a fairly easy choice for me. I know there are other sides as well but...well our system doesn't make that work most of the time.

 

Oops wasn't gonna post but since this isn't an argument post I'm safe...maybe....*ducks for cover*