Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Didn't realise before but it's quite delightful that Raidraptors also have their own out to this in Rise Falcon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiji Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 pretty awesome that skip force forces the opponent to have multiple outs to this card, making UTL pretty moot. havent read skip force in a while, gonna double check if im right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Didn't realise before but it's quite delightful that Raidraptors also have their own out to this in Rise Falcon.That is actually hilarious. Rise Falcon confirmed best RR Xyz :: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(GigaDrillBreaker) Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Oh. For some reason I thought it had to be Xyz Summoned. Skip makes this a legit threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmDown Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Just realized you could use this card to turn it into number 77 seven sins. Basically last strix into this card then seven sins, with kinko-bingu teched in to keep going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IQuitDolphin Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 ...but, Seven Sins is garbage compared to this and dies to a simple Castel. Not worth going into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 ...but, Seven Sins is garbage compared to this and dies to a simple Castel. Not worth going into. Has anyone even tried it to verify that it's not worth slotting? Or is the theory-oh just the end of the discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Has anyone even tried it to verify that it's not worth slotting? Or is the theory-oh just the end of the discussion? I can tell you with near certainty, based on having been and still using Raidraptors since they only had 4 monsters and Strix, that this is not something you will ever make unless you re-stucture the deck to do so. When you can Soul Shave a Strix into a CDI, the only reason you're ever going to make that into a Revolution Falcon is when doing so will win you the game that turn. As such, even Satellite Cannon Falcon isn't worth using because you're Revolution Falcon ending up in the grave will mean you've fucked up an OTK attempt and that is not going to set you up well for surviving to a point where you get another go at Soul Shave, given its massive cost and the fact you'll likely be left open. Readiness is a thing but reliance on that not to lose is again indicative of a losing position. This isn't really going anywhere and is only pertinent to pre-Skip Force, so next paragraph. To further verify that this is the case, I've replaced RUM Revolution Force with Skip, which has turned out to be a far better card than I initially thought it would be. The case remains however that bringing out Revolution Falcon usually wins the game regardless, and so unless you deliberately keep your opponent alive with the intention of going for Ultimate Falcon, it's not needed. If RRs get an actual RUM searcher, a proper one not like Tribute because he only searches the crappier ones, then this may become something. At the moment it remains an overkill overplay rather than a win condition, which Rev Falc has remained. If you wanted to you could easily make a deck oriented around summoning this and you'd pull it off with relative consistency, but you'd lose to regular RRs and basically every other deck the majority of the time because you have 1 big play and nothing else while the regular deck has a lot of options all the time. It is certainly a mite more accessible now with Skip, but it's still ultimately a rank 10 in a rank 4 deck without any kind of Utopic Dragon clause so it's inherently not going to be a practical objective or an actual boss for the deck that you can make every game, and if you're in a position to summon it you've likely won already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Just realized you could use this card to turn it into number 77 seven sins. Basically last strix into this card then seven sins, with kinko-bingu teched in to keep going.Why would you ever think of giving up a Towers for a Mediocre ass spider that gets outclassed by Ravenous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Why would you ever think of giving up a Towers for a Mediocre ass spider that gets outclassed by Ravenous? Because the spider doesn't need a RUM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Because the spider doesn't need a RUM. I just remembered it could be made with a rank 8. I might put it in. Though the card still isn't that great and i'm wondering why you people praise it so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 I just remembered it could be made with a rank 8. I might put it in. Though the card still isn't that great. No, The Seven Sins needs a Rank 10, which Ultimate Falcon is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 No, The Seven Sins needs a Rank 10, which Ultimate Falcon is.Worthless trade That's 20x worse than it would've been if it could use a rank 8. Is there EVER a situation where giving up a TOWERS and making THIS would be of any use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 Worthless trade What trade are you talking about? We're talking about Summoning Ultimate Falcon "properly" with a RUM you may or may not get vs. Normal Summoning a 4000 beatstick with a one-time Gachi effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 What trade are you talking about? We're talking about Summoning Ultimate Falcon "properly" with a RUM you may or may not get vs. Normal Summoning a 4000 beatstick with a one-time Gachi effect.How would you get this out without summoning Ultimate First. Would you just be using Last Strix first and then overlay it into Number 77? If you did that you might as well just SCF and Skip Force into Ultimate. 77's restriction makes it so it has to last a turn before actually doing anything which is the annoying part with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heraldry_lord Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 How would you get this out without summoning Ultimate First. Would you just be using Last Strix first and then overlay it into Number 77? If you did that you might as well just SCF and Skip Force into Ultimate. That's assuming I even have Skip Force in my hand to start with; if I did, Ultimate Falcon would be the clear winner, and this wouldn't even be a contest, and that is what you're not getting. RUM is still inconsistent, and The Seven Sins still provides a use for Ultimate (and Last Strix) in the event you don't have one on hand or even run any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 That's assuming I even have Skip Force in my hand to start with; if I did, Ultimate Falcon would be the clear winner, and this wouldn't even be a contest, and that is what you're not getting. RUM is still inconsistent, and The Seven Sins still provides a use for Ultimate (and Last Strix) in the event you don't have one on hand or even run any.Hmm, well in a case like that it definitely does give a use to Last Strix and the dead Ultimate. Alrighty I gotcha now. It just almost sounded like you were saying 77 was better than this which is completely untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 So between this guy and the PP18 stuff the idea seems to be creating a new version of the deck, a high-Rank version as opposed to the 4+ version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 So between this guy and the PP18 stuff the idea seems to be creating a new version of the deck, a high-Rank version as opposed to the 4+ version.Pretty much. Question is what rank should be the lowest if you're trying to make this. (Rank 6 maybe because revolution is too good to give up). Also these builds would probably run Last Strix in multiples for easy summons and possibly 3x nest so you can recover the Improperly Summoned Xyzs that go to the grave so you have a chance later to bring them out. Granted I haven't tried anything like that but it's just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted December 25, 2015 Report Share Posted December 25, 2015 I don't like the direction this is going, if there is a rank 12 they're either going to have to give it a Utopic Dragon summon clause or give us an actual RUM searcher that isn't shite. Honestly Singing Lanius should've been given a RUM search effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Through a combination of Skip Force, Necro Vulture, and deliberately keeping my opponent alive for 2 turns longer than he should have been, I summoned it. Was it even remotely useful or necessary, no. Was it satisfying as fuck to summon, yes. It's a winmoar card that there's absolutely no reason to run but I have the space to do it and I love the art so here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 I just use Last Strix and Skip I just stopped giving a funk about people's feelings. All we need now is a RUM Searcher (WHY did we not get Cards of Ascension) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rest in Piss YCMaker Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Skip is far better than I thought it was. Last Strix remains bad but Skip is actually rather good. I'd settle for Sanctuary if we don't get a RUM searcher, with the amount of deck thinning that goes on it'd amount to almost the same anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VCR_CAT Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Tch. You call this a Rank 10?*Flips hair and walks away in a cloud of bishie sparkles* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
玄魔の王 Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 As a note, YGOHack's RUM Punch deck is a better ad for this deck than anything Konami could make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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