Bias List

[VCR_CAT]

This is not necessary what I think is best for the game, but more-so what I would like to see come out of a banlist.

 

Banned

Majesty's Fiend

Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin

Chimeratech Fortress Dragon

Machine Duplication

Limiter Removal

Magical Explosion

Life Equalizer

 

Limited

Shurit, Strategist of the Nekroz

Kozmo Dark Destroyer

Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders

Evilswarm Exciton Knight

Beatrice, the Eternal Lady

PSY-Framelord Omega

El Shaddoll Construct

Pantheism of the Monarchs

Dominion of the Monarchs

Solemn Notice

 

Semi-Limited

El Shaddoll Fusion

Reinforcement of the Army

Soul Charge

 

Unlimited

Mathematician

Card Trooper

Emergency Teleport

Allure of Darkness

 

lol I need sleep

[goodfusion]

Banned

Machine Duplication

Limiter Removal

I thought you were a Machine player! WHAT IS THIS TREACHERY!!!!!

[Kaiji]

Kirin to 0 gives me uncomfortable flashbacks to users who throw fits of rage vs the card stomping NS reliant decks.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Atleast you accepted this list was bias Trash

Kirin is fine with a limit. With Wavering at 1-0, it would also become unfavorable to use Racoon in any number for a one off. And thus the Majespecter aspect would die out

Tele is only ever going to get better


Most of this list made me vomit. I'm a Shaddoll and Dragon fan just like you are for trains. And yet you never see me put construct and super poly at three. Get over yourself

[VCR_CAT]

I thought you were a Machine player! WHAT IS THIS TREACHERY!!!!!

 

Machine Dupe is just asking for it, tbh. It's the reason Card Trooper was hit, and its main interactions, from letting Deskbots go frickin' +5 off of two cards to enabling some silly crap in Cybers; it's just crazy. Hitting both that, and Limiter Removal, are for the sake of improving the image of Machines and removing that unhealthy crap from the picture. I'm still SUPER into Machines; but I've never liked either card.

 

 

 

Atleast you accepted this list was bias Trash

 

A guy fully admits that the list more-so what he wants to see out of the game and you still want to be a huge dick about it. Way to go, Winter.

 

 

 

Kerin is fine with a limit. With Wavering at 1-0, it would also become unfavorable to use Racoon in any number for a one off. And thus the Majespecter aspect would die out

 

A lot of "maybe's" in this list, because you're making the biggest assumption that Racoon is the only way people go into Kirin. Honestly, there's still cards like Majester Paladin which, I don't feel is by any means a broken card, but still also grants easy access to Kirin. Kirin, overall, is an incredibly unfair and unhealthy card, and even at 1 it completely wins games on its own. My intention here isn't to "Well, kinda slap it on the wrist and hit some of its consistency and call it a day." No, I'm taking the direct route that for-sure ensures that it won't get used without making additional hits. My concern isn't Majespecters as a whole; it's purely just Kirin, so, why not just hit Kirin?

 

 

 

Tele is only ever going to get better

 

I know. But, for the moment, I would like to see it back in full-power.

 

 

 

And yet you never see me put construct and super poly at three

 

Don't worry, neither did I.

 

 

Get over yourself

 

Really? I mean honestly, really? If you wanted to be an jabroni, there's a LOT of things you could have said, but you chose this. I fully admitted that this list is really just kinda what I would like to see come out of the game; I fully admit that it's not only biased, but not what I think is overall BEST for the game; it's just what I want to see and what I would think would be fun. If I were full of myself and needing to get over myself, I would do something like you where I would take this bias and go ahead and prance around saying that it's the absolute best way to play the game and any other hit would be stupid. I did the thread here because I wanted to show what I would LIKE to see come out of it, but not necessarily what would be BEST for it; not to make sweeping claims so some jabroni like you could run in and start acting all high-'n'-mighty over it.

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Semi-Limited

Soul Charge

*Feels a bit unconformable* 

[VCR_CAT]

*Feels a bit unconformable* 

 

;D

[Slinky]

I'd be mostly okay with this.

Only iffy thing for me is Exciton coming back, but I'm okay with it otherwise. Notice desperately needed the limit it never got, so funk you konami for not hitting it D:<

[ihop]

E-Tele was limited when its best target was Krebons, why bring it back now?

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

The point being dear Cat, even when my two favorite decks are concerned I try to be conservative about helping them cause the balance of the game goes before anything else. The whole concept of a "bias" list is stilly, cause overall game health > individual wants. You might as well have just put up "Salt list" and been done with it.

 

Really? Fortress banned? Why cause machines would be required to run things to hit Cyber Dragon on summon? Machine dupe has shown to be fine with 3 trooper, and deskbots? When were those ever relevant?

 

You hit strike it left Twin at thee. Cause TCG just has too much of a backrow problem.

 

 

The one good from this list (context, like Strike limited with Twin limited is great) is the Limiter Removal ban

 

I'm not going to cuddle a list that I don't think is good be it a joke or not. If it was truely meant to not be taken srsly should have posted it on Misc

 

Mandated adds in EP lol, not on summon. A bit off a difference there.

[VCR_CAT]

E-Tele was limited when its best target was Krebons, why bring it back now?

 

Because, as the the title may suggest, I would like to see it back. It boosts a fair number of decks that are able to make good use of it, and I'm not one to shy away from consistency boosts. The only reason I didn't bring back Upstart or Chicken Game is because I fully know there's a lot of really good reasons for why those were hit; but in the current formats E-Tele wasn't broken. It's SUPER GREAT, but it wasn't broken; it didn't decide matches on its own.

 

Also, that was like, what, how many years ago that E-Tele was hit? Saying "when Krebons was the best target" means kind of nothing when the entire game as a whole was in a significantly different state then compared to now.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Lol cat the point being if I wanted to make a bias list I would have put con at three, or Black might have put Monkeyboard at three, or Darkness DAD at three. What is to be noted is that lists like that have zero to no merit ie. Rando pojo shitlists that get made like 5 a day

 

Topic belongs in misc, not TCG

[VampireofDarkness]

Darkness DAD at three

I am a fan of DAD and all, but even I am not idiotic enough to do such a blasted move. Don't say sheet for me that you don't know. I could say a lot more and make you look like the jabroni you are coming out as, but I'll stand my ground

 

What is to be noted is that lists like that have zero to no merit ie. Rando pojo shitlists that get made like 5 a day

 

Topic belongs in misc, not TCG

Really, Winter, really? You are really going to stoop to this level? Nah man, Cat has points and ideas that actually have validity, and while you have your times, bashing others while you lack one doesn't do sheet. My brotha, it's best ya stop now

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I am a fan of DAD and all, but even I am not idiotic enough to do such a blasted move. Don't say sheet for me that you don't know. I could say a lot more and make you look like the jabroni you are coming out as, but I'll stand my ground

 

 

Really, Winter, really? You are really going to stoop to this level? Nah man, Cat has points and ideas that actually have validity, and while you have your times, bashing others while you lack one doesn't do sheet. My brotha, it's best ya stop now

*shrugs* it's this sorta topic that turned Pojo Forbidden Limited into the hellhole it is now. Re-read the first line. You missed a "might" that carries over through the conjunction. The point being made was that despite liking dad or pals or dolls, the blatant and illogical favoring of them doesn't occur

 

What lack of points? The vast majority of the hits here don't make sense. I'm not going to cuddle that mate. It's a bad list.

 

But go on, I'm all open to criticism, say what you think you need to say. I'm not bashing VCR. I'm saying his list is a 1/10 at best, a bias list is cheap clickbait nothing more, and that his bias is showing badly

[VCR_CAT]

The point being dear Cat, even when my two favorite decks are concerned I try to be conservative about helping them cause the balance of the game goes before anything else. The whole concept of a "bias" list is stilly, cause overall game health > individual wants. You might as well have just put up "Salt list" and been done with it.

 

I'm sharing what I would like to see come out of the game; there's nothing wrong with that nor is there any reason for you to immediately start attacking me over it. At no point have I implied that I think this will or should be the game's list; this is simply some of what I would like to see come out of it. What isn't okay is for someone, such as yourself, to walk in and start throwing insults and act like a jerk over it. If you have problems with some of my ideas I'm more then willing to discuss them when you're willing to be mature over it.

 

 

 

Really? Fortress banned? Why cause machines would be required to run things to hit Cyber Dragon on summon? Machine dupe has shown to be fine with 3 trooper, and deskbots? When were those ever relevant?

 

Chimeratech Fortress's interactions as something against machines are completely disgusting and unfair. No other type or pool really has something that counters them that hard. A couple days ago, yesterday I think, someone spoke about how Raigeki can't be considered bait against Quasar because the other player has no choice but negate it. Cyber Dragon becomes that against any Machine deck, and Fortress immediately devalues any and all fields or bosses regardless of how much effort they take to summon. Especially considering Cyber Dragon's ease of summon, Cyber Dragon becomes an infinitely better Raigeki, where if you can't stop the first Dragon, then nothing can stop Fortress; it sends as cost and its summon is inherent, so even if you Notice it, you're still going to lose your field to non-destruction removal. And as far as negation goes, Raigeki is still something that a given player wants to hit, as it is a power card at one and the opponent is losing a valuable resouce in that go. Cyber Dragon isn't that, and if a Machine player sees it they have to hit it, even though it's probably most definitely going to be a sub-optimal play. You have asbolutely no choice either way.

 

Chimeratech Fortress Dragon is just a ridiculous card that, in terms of how the game works, is some of the most cheap and unfair removal that a given player has little to no ability to answer to. Frick, I didn't even mention how the player who gets out Fortress is pretty much just going +0 on their removal and getting a potentially fat beatstick to boot; it's utterly ridiculous as a card and should never have existed. I mean honestly, it's to the point that any major Machine boss, regardless of balanced it may be in its effort and impact, will never be as good as a duplicate card that isn't a machine purely because Fortress exists.

 

Trust me, I've seen your overwhelming salt against Stormforth and how you think that needs to be removed; it baffles me that you would think that Storm Forth is disgusting but hey, Fortress Dragon? Totally fine what're you talking about.

 

See previous thoughts on Machine Dupe; its a card where its only used interactions are overall very unhealthy for the game, and I'm calling major bullshit on your "Trooper and Dupe at 3 are fine" statement if it wasn't for the fact that "Troop-Dupe-Scoop" wasn't such a widely known and accepted phrase.

 

 

 

You hit strike it left Twin at thee. Cause TCG just has too much of a backrow problem.

 

I considered hitting Twin Twister, I really did, but then I decided against it entirely because I knew you would want it hit and I thought it would be funny to see you react. Mission accomplished. All joking aside, I would hit it to 2 at the most; mostly because with the inclusion of Pendulums the individual value of a S/T remover has become too high. With both high-value Field Spells that can't be removed by simply activating your own, Pendulums existing, and backrow cards becoming really strong; an individual MST has never been more important, nor its job more daunting. As more valuable S/T cards are added to the game in volume, a need for more S/T removal becomes more apparent. You're thinking of only backrow; but there's more to a S/T remover than just backrow.

 

 

 

The one good from this list (context, like Strike limited with Twin limited is great) is the Limiter Removal ban

 

Strike deserves the limit whether Twin is or not. It's an overwhelmingly strong card (the second best Solemn so far, I would say, only second to Judgment itself) that completely shuts down entire turns, which becomes a major problem in this game. Expecting players to be fine by being lucky enough to open Twin Twisters is completely unreasonable and generally not good game design.

 

Limiter Removal is only used for OTK's; of course it had it coming.

 

 

 

Mandated adds in EP lol, not on summon. A bit off a difference there.

 

Majester*; and as I said, Majester himself is not broken, but it still is able to search Kirin regardless. My point wasn't how good Majester was, but the fact that it's widely available and able to do that at all.

 

 

 

Lol cat the point being if I wanted to make a bias list I would have put con at three, or Black might have put Monkeyboard at three, or Darkness DAD at three. What is to be noted is that lists like that have zero to no merit ie. Rando pojo shitlists that get made like 5 a day

 

Topic belongs in misc, not TCG

 

No; this is still legitimate discussion towards the game and still does not warrant your attitude in this thread, or really anywhere to be honest. You're being a major a****** right now, and it would be much appreciated if it you didn't contribute to this thread at all considering you have neither any useful nor mature to contribute. Nobody's forcing you to read this, or act like Klav for that matter. Please leave before you dig your hole any deeper; it would definitely do you some good.

 

 

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I'm not bashing VCR.

 

Atleast you accepted this list was bias Trash

 

Get over yourself

 

Most of this list made me vomit.

 

Once again; you're conducting yourself in a wholly unpleasant and needlessly immature manner. Please stop contributing to this thread, because you clearly have nothing useful to contribute.

 

 

that his bias is showing badly

 

This would have any merit at all if I didn't admit openly at the start that the point of this list isn't to be unbiased. This is like saying "Wow, jeeze you didn't even try to hide how many fire trucks there are" at a Fire Department Car Show. Yeah, no sheet, Sherlock.

[Kaiji]

Atleast you accepted this list was bias Trash

 

Kerin is fine with a limit. With Wavering at 1-0, it would also become unfavorable to use Racoon in any number for a one off. And thus the Majespecter aspect would die out

 

Tele is only ever going to get better

 

 

Most of this list made me vomit. I'm a Shaddoll and Dragon fan just like you are for trains. And yet you never see me put construct and super poly at three. Get over yourself

Incorrect, if Kirin was powerful enough to play at 6 copies it will be played at 4 copies regardless of "drawn bunbuns will be dead." Doesn't even matter anyway since bunbun can search itself.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

 

I'm sharing what I would like to see come out of the game; there's nothing wrong with that nor is there any reason for you to immediately start attacking me over it. At no point have I implied that I think this will or should be the game's list; this is simply some of what I would like to see come out of it. What isn't okay is for someone, such as yourself, to walk in and start throwing insults and act like a jerk over it. If you have problems with some of my ideas I'm more then willing to discuss them when you're willing to be mature over it.

 

 

 

 

Chimeratech Fortress's interactions as something against machines are completely disgusting and unfair. No other type or pool really has something that counters them that hard. A couple days ago, yesterday I think, someone spoke about how Raigeki can't be considered bait against Quasar because the other player has no choice but negate it. Cyber Dragon becomes that against any Machine deck, and Fortress immediately devalues any and all fields or bosses regardless of how much effort they take to summon. Especially considering Cyber Dragon's ease of summon, Cyber Dragon becomes an infinitely better Raigeki, where if you can't stop the first Dragon, then nothing can stop Fortress; it sends as cost and its summon is inherent, so even if you Notice it, you're still going to lose your field to non-destruction removal. And as far as negation goes, Raigeki is still something that a given player wants to hit, as it is a power card at one and the opponent is losing a valuable resouce in that go. Cyber Dragon isn't that, and if a Machine player sees it they have to hit it, even though it's probably most definitely going to be a sub-optimal play. You have asbolutely no choice either way.

 

Chimeratech Fortress Dragon is just a ridiculous card that, in terms of how the game works, is some of the most cheap and unfair removal that a given player has little to no ability to answer to. Frick, I didn't even mention how the player who gets out Fortress is pretty much just going +0 on their removal and getting a potentially fat beatstick to boot; it's utterly ridiculous as a card and should never have existed. I mean honestly, it's to the point that any major Machine boss, regardless of balanced it may be in its effort and impact, will never be as good as a duplicate card that isn't a machine purely because Fortress exists.

 

Trust me, I've seen your overwhelming salt against Stormforth and how you think that needs to be removed; it baffles me that you would think that Storm Forth is disgusting but hey, Fortress Dragon? Totally fine what're you talking about.

 

See previous thoughts on Machine Dupe; its a card where its only used interactions are overall very unhealthy for the game, and I'm calling major bullshit on your "Trooper and Dupe at 3 are fine" statement if it wasn't for the fact that "Troop-Dupe-Scoop" wasn't such a widely known and accepted phrase.

 

 

 

 

I considered hitting Twin Twister, I really did, but then I decided against it entirely because I knew you would want it hit and I thought it would be funny to see you react. Mission accomplished. All joking aside, I would hit it to 2 at the most; mostly because with the inclusion of Pendulums the individual value of a S/T remover has become too high. With both high-value Field Spells that can't be removed by simply activating your own, Pendulums existing, and backrow cards becoming really strong; an individual MST has never been more important, nor its job more daunting. As more valuable S/T cards are added to the game in volume, a need for more S/T removal becomes more apparent. You're thinking of only backrow; but there's more to a S/T remover than just backrow.

 

 

 

 

Strike deserves the limit whether Twin is or not. It's an overwhelmingly strong card (the second best Solemn so far, I would say, only second to Judgment itself) that completely shuts down entire turns, which becomes a major problem in this game. Expecting players to be fine by being lucky enough to open Twin Twisters is completely unreasonable and generally not good game design.

 

Limiter Removal is only used for OTK's; of course it had it coming.

 

 

 

 

Majester*; and as I said, Majester himself is not broken, but it still is able to search Kirin regardless. My point wasn't how good Majester was, but the fact that it's widely available and able to do that at all.

 

 

 

 

No; this is still legitimate discussion towards the game and still does not warrant your attitude in this thread, or really anywhere to be honest. You're being a major a****** right now, and it would be much appreciated if it you didn't contribute to this thread at all considering you have neither any useful nor mature to contribute. Nobody's forcing you to read this, or act like Klav for that matter. Please leave before you dig your hole any deeper; it would definitely do you some good.

 

 

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Once again; you're conducting yourself in a wholly unpleasant and needlessly immature manner. Please stop contributing to this thread, because you clearly have nothing useful to contribute.

 

 

 

This would have any merit at all if I didn't admit openly at the start that the point of this list isn't to be unbiased. This is like saying "Wow, jeeze you didn't even try to hide how many fire trucks there are" at a Fire Department Car Show. Yeah, no sheet, Sherlock.

 

I'm honestly a little confused why you're so opposed to criticism on your list, I've not yet nor will I attack you as a player. The only things I've said are 1) This list is bias as funk - glad we agree on this 2) This kinda topic is a large part of what made Pojo F/L trash - fact 

 

I'm not being an jabroni, I'm just not going to go easy on your list just as I wouldn't nor expect you to do so on any one I made

 

Now lets get into this shall we.

 

So for fortress, the main arguments are: It puts machines in an unfavorable place. But you supported the limiting of storm4th. They're actually linked tbh. A little context might help, I suggested Storm be limited back when storm was a non-ss, non-destruction, non-targeting form of removal. Fortress CD already fails one of those two. Secondly, I suggested it when Monarchs were the #3 and occasionally #2 deck in OCG, and had gatekeeper effect of keeping most other decks out of the meta due to how it could remove any dedication in investment at spell-speed 2.

 

Now can't Cyber Dragon do the same thing? Kinda. But you have a reasonable out to hitting cyber dragon on summon. It's quite a different situation with Either, cl 2/3 Storm where you really don't get that chance to respond. If Fortress was as polarizing as you make it out to be, do you think more people would have called for it's banning in either OCG or TCG Geargia formats? That all aside, storm4th hits just about everything (exceptions being stuff like monk), machines being hit is hardly "everything"

 

Now, you're talking about unfairly hitting machine dedication...so making Dora at a +0 (often) or the kind is dedication? Hell even kill is often repaid by the end of the turn thanks to monolith. If you're making your boss at a +0 9/10 times, don't fault me for removing it at a +0. Storm doesn't care. I could make a -2 double Djinn locked Trish, and you could just be lol nope on that.

 

Again this is ignoring the fact that I was supporting this hit before they decided to limit Panth and Domain. Do I think what Storm did to Life Exchange was terrible? Sure, but it's not nearly a problematic currently and thus doesn't need a hit

 

And TER was broken in 2005; what's you're point. The fact remains OCG has 3 dupe and 3 troop for a couple format now. Sure Troop Dupe does see play from time to time (mainly cause Dupe works with roids too in PK Fire), but it's not nearly the monster it was back in the single digit 2000's. 

 

Duck Auto-correct. And where did I say Majester was broken either? I'm saying that unlike Raccoon it searches at the end of the turn not letting you use Kirin right away and allowing your opponent to prepare. A Kirin limit would make running 2-3 coon (like OCG is atm) bad, in turn it would also make Kirin itself rather inconsistent. Unsearchable? No, but inconsistent in a timely manner

 

Err, you realize there's other cards to deal with that right? Twin Twister covers too many niches. MST is the generic options, Typhoon is the sneaky option that you don't have to set. Galaxy gets you more utility. Spell Shattering Arrow cleans out pendulums. Banish MST stops floating. Duster punishes set 3+'s etc. Twin Twister covers too much area for what it does. I posted a topic on RoK's analysis of how ever since Twin Twister came out backrow has dropped drastically and the unsolvable backrow inequality it creates. Spite me or not, Strike or now, Twin needs to go.

 

In OCG, I'd agree with you on Strike, in TCG no so much. With a deck like Kozmo banishing for costs, it's really hard to respond to them in the normal ways. Hitting strike alone really doesn't help any manner of control. If multiple strikes is really a problem, limit Ariadne. It's not anymore unrealistic to expect the opponent to have twin twister than it is to expect you to open multiple strikes or significant backrow.

 

Who's throwing the insults at who Cat. I'm critiquing your list, you're calling me an jabroni and a jerk for doing so. Pot Kettle Black much?

[Kaiji]

What the hell is going on

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

Incorrect, if Kirin was powerful enough to play at 6 copies it will be played at 4 copies regardless of "drawn bunbuns will be dead." Doesn't even matter anyway since bunbun can search itself.

Wonder why you never saw people play three Terraforming with the one Ravine in OCG then after Ravine got limited in July, also coon is a terrible scale w/ regards to the pendulum hybrid out atm, it'd literally be dead more often than not. Limiting Unicorn would likely just make more room for more Upstarts and Games tbh

 

Running three searchers for 1 card, when the searchers have no other value after that one card is gotten is really pretty poor deckbuilding

[Kaiji]

You are using an awful comparison that's rooted in anecdotal evidence

 

There's no other way to search Kirin so playing 3 Bunbun is a concession as the idea is that once you see Kirin the other copies don't matter, in the same sense you play 3 copies of an unsearchable spell for the sole reason of maximizing your chance of resolving it at least once

[Slinky]

What the hell is going on

 

Its basically Winter flinging his sheet into VCR's face for no other reason other to be an jabroni.

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

You are using an awful comparison that's rooted in anecdotal evidence

 

There's no other way to search Kirin so playing 3 Bunbun

Pray tell me how it's awful then...I mean that's hardly the case even if it is awful...cause as VCR noted Majester exists and is easy accessible. Odd Eyes sees enough play. Wavering eyes is at 1 in OCG. You're telling me that running 3 Coon for the 1 Kerin is a good idea? Kerin is good, but not THAT good

 

The only think Coon gives you is Kirin right away, but you can't even pendulum summon if you draw too many shitty scales. Why would you play 3 coon when you can max out on games and get scales + majester set up and protected to go kirin next turn

 

Like, please enlighten me here

 

Edit: I'll bite if OCG Rulers are anecdotal, can you give me another example of where a limited card was run with three searchers with 0 other targets or realistic utility?

 

 

Its basically Winter flinging his sheet into VCR's list for no other reason other to be objective

 

 

ftfy

[Kaiji]

I already explained to you. I didn't think you would actually go the "it's good but not that good route" (this actually makes your logic much easier to follow) because why go through the trouble of limiting it? All you are doing in the context of deck building is reducing it from 6 to 4 copies.

 

The context of Kirin is obviously in a deck where the scales can support it, so you focusing on it being exclusive to Majespecter doesn't matter, ie Metalphosis or Sky Iris.

 

Especially when Metalphosis ideal board is Tzolkin Spark Kirin, Spark Kirin, or Infinity Kirin with multiple Counters set.

Also for every copy of Kirin you add to the deck you see a higher increase in the percentage of seeing Kirin than any % increase you would receive by playing chicken game over it. So it would stand to reason that you would maximize on seeing Kirin before playing Chicken Game/Upstart (ie the cards you play in your deck dictate the ideal number of cards in your deck)

[Ryusei the Morning Star]

I already explained to you. I didn't think you would actually go the "it's good but not that good route" (this actually makes your logic much easier to follow) because why go through the trouble of limiting it? All you are doing in the context of deck building is reducing it from 6 to 4 copies.

 

The context of Kirin is obviously in a deck where the scales can support it, so you focusing on it being exclusive to Majespecter doesn't matter, ie Metalphosis or Sky Iris.

 

Especially when Metalphosis ideal board is Tzolkin Spark Kirin, Spark Kirin, or Infinity Kirin with multiple Counters set.

I'm not focusing on it being in Majespecter...where was that ever stated. I'm mainly talking about in the context of the Odd Eyes-hybrid that's fairly dominant in OCG. 

 

When a simple counter side of wavering+rector can clean out kirin fields, it is good, but not good enough to be banned. For the record I've always said that Iris and it's ability to make scales as easily as it does should be the one to be limited over Kirin.

 

I'm saying there's no way in hell that Odd-Eyes Pendulum will run the 3 coons over more game or upstarts to get a monster that while good to even amazing in certain match ups, doesn't win games as much as the idea that your resources are nearly infinite ( aka having 2 scales up and having pendulums in the extra...which in turn comes with consistency)

[Kaiji]

you have no idea what you are talking about, you are just pulling random scenarios out of your ass as usual. I don't even think you understand the deck you keep mentioning since they have an 8 scale to pend summon Kirin on the same turn they NS Bunbun, and you don't even know how powerful Kirin is ("limit Sky Iris") or basic ygo theory you keep dismissing.

 

Thankfully I know when to give up.