Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 During the End Phase of the turn this card was activated, add "Spellbook" Spell Cards from your Deck to your hand, except "Spellbook of Judgment", up to the number of Spell Cards activated after this card's resolution, then, you can Special Summon from your Deck 1 Spellcaster-Type monster whose Level is less than or equal to the number of cards added to your hand by this effect. You can only activate 1 "Spellbook of Judgment" per turn. Ban Jowgen, limit this card. Even in 2013, the problem was really that Jowgen backed by fate meant you couldn't special summon, and therefore couldn't play Jowgen was a problem with last turn, jowgen was a problem with Books, Jowgen is a problem with Metalphosis. Jowgen esque cards in general just aren't healthy for the game Kycoo was mainly a tech to thin out Ruler's graves Now we have the added bonus of Brick Clown and DMoC, but neither seem all that potent. Super Rejuv is safely at 3 again, adding cards in the EP tends to make them blanks for all intents and purposesCreates a solid tier 2 deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Uhhhhh....this card allows you to go like +9 for overextending super hard.Keep at 0 plox; errata it so that it's not freakin stupid but still helps Spellbooks recover advantage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delibirb Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Agreed mama. Jowgen made it worse but it's still mass advantage for doing nothing. It's ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackBeartic Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Card will never be stupid without a search limit. And with a search limit the card becomes limited in what it can SS which of course hurts this card. One of the worst designed cards ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 What does adding blanks at the EP matter . If you got +9 then that's stupid since you have to discard atleast 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 What does adding blanks at the EP matter . If you got +9 then that's stupid since you have to discard atleast 3 Which can be banished for Spellbook of Fate and then recycled with Eternity. Not that it matters because it was clearly hyperbolic and not meant as a literal "You get +9." This card represents one of the least fun moments in the entire game for me, one of the least skilled portions of its history, because its so blindingly easy to take enormous advantage of it. Its one of the cards I consider NEVER deserving of coming off the list, right up there with Painful Choice, Graceful Charity, and Pot of Greed, and Yata. The fact this was given an emergency ban speaks to how high Konami was when they released it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Well it didn't get an emergency ban, and if you could special summon it wouldn't have been as problematic to deal with. Not to mention times have changed. 2013=\=2016 Super Rejuv was "broken" too and now it's safely at three no issues Yes you can set fate, and then discard all your extra books, but doesn't that seem like a rather poor use of resources to you? +9's are quite difficult to do regardless. Most of the time a +2/3 is the ideal play. Pendulums can go +5, why can't books have something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Faytl~ Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Well it didn't get an emergency ban, and if you could special summon it wouldn't have been as problematic to deal with. Not to mention times have changed. 2013=\=2016 Super Rejuv was "broken" too and now it's safely at three no issues Yes you can set fate, and then discard all your extra books, but doesn't that seem like a rather poor use of resources to you? +9's are quite difficult to do regardless. Most of the time a +2/3 is the ideal play. Pendulums can go +5, why can't books have something I meant to say it went from 3 to 0 after only a single format, I had poor word choice there. Usually bans like that don't happen, but it spoke to how IMMEDIATELY the card needed to be removed from the format. Yes, Pendulums CAN go plus 5. But they don't do it off a single card. And I recall generally seeing people getting closer to +5/+6 with this back when it was legal, and that was just on average. Who cares if you end up discarding stuff, you have a full hand now and your deck is thinned by 5-8 cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 Also the reason super rejuvenation was banned was about 99% D. Rulers. They are gone. Spellbooks are not. So yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted June 18, 2016 Report Share Posted June 18, 2016 I want to see this card @1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vla1ne Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 test it for a format at 1, and hit jowgen to 0 and fate to 1 while it's out. worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Can only come back if Secrets is banned.Which is never going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Can only come back if Secrets is banned.Which is never going to happen.Secrets isn't the problem. Jowgen is the card that doesn't let the opponent play. As it stands now, Trick Clown, Kykoo, and DMoC are the best things you would want to summon (and DMoC is hard to summon of Judgment, I just mean that a Star-Halled DMoC backed by Wisdom and such is pretty dope) Fate can go to 1, but even that isn't needed. The good books are Power, Wisdom, Tower, Master, Life, Eternity, Secrets, Fate, and I guess Starhall You're not gonna use all of them in one turn, the best you can do is have fate set up every turn for playing poorly (burning through books just to fill the grave) That's really not bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 It's an exponential deck thinner at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Also the reason super rejuvenation was banned was about 99% D. Rulers. They are gone. Spellbooks are not. So yeahPray Tell me, what was your end game if now Jowgen? Sit on Fate? GL winning with 1 removal card in a game with such a massive ceiling It's an exponential deck thinner at worst.So is Monster Gate, if all you're gonna do is throw the books in the grave in the EP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 But you aren't throwing them all away.You're choosing which ones to keep, and for that matter, what you take out of your deck. Monster Gate has no such precision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 But you aren't throwing them all away.You're choosing which ones to keep, and for that matter, what you take out of your deck. Monster Gate has no such precision.Sure, but at the very least you can't really use any of them this turn except for Ep Chaining You added 5 blanks to your deck. In contrast you might actually get something you want and can use off rejuv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I don't even understand what you're saying here. You might not be able to use the cards you add on your End Phase, but next turn, you'll be able to do everything you just did again, probably with deadly results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragulas Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Can you resolve this after card of demise?, because if you can, even without SS it could be one of the dumbest interactions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
♪ ♪Aria ♪ ♪ Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Basically, I thought that the other Spellbooks are better than this, since this card's effect resolves during the end phase, and relies greatly on the number of spell cards activated, but can be useful to quickly recycle the deck and SS a moderate to high level monster, if the conditions are met.....Not that versatile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Basically, I thought that the other Spellbooks are better than this, since this card's effect resolves during the end phase, and relies greatly on the number of spell cards activated, but can be useful to quickly recycle the deck and SS a moderate to high level monster, if the conditions are met.....Not that versatileU wot?You do realize that the standard Spellbook play utilizes, on average, 3-6 spell cards, right? You activate Judgement to start your turn, then you can EASILY go +6 and get a free monster. Who cares if it's at the end phase? You only need judgement to go off once and survive your opponent's next turn. If you do, then all the spells you could have dead drawed are now in your hand, allowing you to draw into World of Prophecy or Priestess much more consistently, since your deck is at least 7 cards thinner. Like, if judgement only counted SPELLBOOK spell cards activated that turn, then maybe. But it covers ALL SPELLS. Raigeki, Foolish, Allure, etc all generate more end phase plus on top of their already powerful effects. Jowgen was NOT the only issue with this card. That's like saying Jowgen got Last Turn banned. No, in reality Last Turn was a stupidly broken card, and Jowgen was just the final nail in its coffin. Granted, this isn't nearly as broken as Last Turn, but the mentality still stands. Regaining all your advantage for simply activating spells in a deck that runs like 32 spells is FREAKIN STUPID. Spell books need a way to recover advantage, yes. But this is too much. And it always will be, unless we see an errata of some kind. Can you resolve this after card of demise?, because if you can, even without SS it could be one of the dumbest interactionsYes. Yes you can. And even better is that simply activating Demise adds another +1 to the cards you get to search at the end phase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 I don't even understand what you're saying here. You might not be able to use the cards you add on your End Phase, but next turn, you'll be able to do everything you just did again, probably with deadly results.Most fields that books can make aren't that hard to crack is all I'm saying. Having to wait a turn usually has to be offset by being able to get something really amazing (DMoC) or something that can protect you on your opponents turn (Maxx/Veiler off Rejuv) Judgment offers none of that, the "protection" you get is Jowgen being a SS stopperU wot?You do realize that the standard Spellbook play utilizes, on average, 3-6 spell cards, right? You activate Judgement to start your turn, then you can EASILY go +6 and get a free monster. Who cares if it's at the end phase? You only need judgement to go off once and survive your opponent's next turn. If you do, then all the spells you could have dead drawed are now in your hand, allowing you to draw into World of Prophecy or Priestess much more consistently, since your deck is at least 7 cards thinner. Like, if judgement only counted SPELLBOOK spell cards activated that turn, then maybe. But it covers ALL SPELLS. Raigeki, Foolish, Allure, etc all generate more end phase plus on top of their already powerful effects. Jowgen was NOT the only issue with this card. That's like saying Jowgen got Last Turn banned. No, in reality Last Turn was a stupidly broken card, and Jowgen was just the final nail in its coffin. Tell me the ideal field you want to create then. Jowgen is banned, SJB is at 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slinky Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Who funking cares if Jowgen is banned? the SS is a bonus, not what you run it for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Who funking cares if Jowgen is banned? the SS is a bonus, not what you run it for.Are you really that thick? Spellbook of Judgment adds a bunch of SS1 cards in your EP, and maybe a fate/wisdom You won't see that advantage for a fairly long time. Who cares? Half the decks in the game that will end you if you have nothing to stop their rampant SS potential Jesus H Christ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Progenitor Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Winter, I want to show you something Look how badly he plays. And yet he's rewarded in spades. Does ROTA give you field advantage? No. It sets up for your play.SoDoesJudgement. It's not about what you special summon. It's about the cards you get to search for overextending for no reason other than you can. That is one of the most toxic card designs ive ever seen. How can you actually say with a straight face that the card is fair without Jowgen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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