Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/25/us/hawaii-gun-owner-database/index.html The NRA is probably having a hissy fit right about now about that first one at least. I'm not fully sure about the first one, but that second one seems pretty reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 The new law would "in essence provide an ongoing background check on firearm owners to determine their eligibility to own and possess a firearm."I think this is really important. A lot can change within a year's time and someone could be in a completely different set of circumstances and state of mind than they were when they purchased a gun.The other gun measures signed into Hawaii state law Thursday prohibit offenders who have stalked or committed sexual assault from owning guns. At least 11 other states have some sort of laws restricting people who've been convicted of stalking from possessing guns.This is a no-brainer. The third new law requires gun owners to surrender their firearms and ammunition to the police if they've been disqualified to possess the weapons "due to a diagnosis of having a significant behavioral, emotional, or mental disorder, or due to emergency or involuntary admission to a psychiatric facility."Also incredibly crucial. I can see how people would be very resistant to the first law, but I think a little privacy on that front is worth conceding considering the dangers and risks inherent to firearms. If you really want to get a gun, I think you should be willing to jump through these extra hoops for safety's sake.Hopefully more laws like these will start being implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted June 25, 2016 Report Share Posted June 25, 2016 With all due respect, Hawai'i already has some of the harshest gun laws in the entire country even before this; process to get a gun is tedious though and involves applying for permit at the main police station among other things. However, it keeps the amount of deaths from shootings down. That is not to say that we haven't had people getting shot to death or shot at for that matter, but we do have significantly lower amounts of gun violence. (Last time someone got shot was at a convenience store sometime last year, and only one person; not a mass shooting) But yeah, now we have a database of who owns a gun and the FBI can at least keep tabs on people. Though it's still not going to stop someone else from really using another person's weapon, but at least it's something. Second one is fine; I haven't heard of a lot of stalking cases on this island, but barring sex offenders from owning a gun is in the right direction. Third one also works, given what happened in the recent shooting cases. Might be extreme, yes, but gun violence needs to stop. ----Like I mentioned above, while we do get people who get shot at / killed, that number is very low and we'd like to keep it that way. We already have enough people on this island who are nuts (in the sense they want to pick fights and beat you up); last thing we need is for one of them to grab a gun and start shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 There has been a lot of crime lately, especially in Sakura's neck of the woods. And a couple weeks ago someone shot their mother or something, about 3 miles from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 Oh right, I temporarily forgot about the Māʻili shooting this month (yeah, it's on Icy's end of the island); corrections officer shot and killed his mom at home. http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/32204688/maili-man-accused-of-fatally-shooting-mother-charged ----Then there's that recent one about the guy who got run over by car in Kalihi getting shot at prior to that, among a few others. (I did say that while we don't have mass shootings here, people still got shot at / killed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 3rd one bothers me. Take an AR15. Those aren't cheap. That could be a 1000+ dollars gone. Or a family heirloom. The criteria needs to be really strict IMO. Rest is fair What's significant? Are we talking 1984 style reporting? Armed Swat going to break into my house and demand my weapons as they cuff me infront of my family? Sounds like tyranny from the very amendment designed to protect against tyranny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Flyer - Sakura Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 I'm not too sure on the specifics, but likely if you do not give them up, they'll just have a police squad come over and take the guns themselves. Or basically, just knock on your door with a warrant. Unless you adamantly resist giving them up, then you shouldn't get cuffed. As far as I know, heirloom guns aren't necessarily a thing here like it may be for a few of you on the mainland, but I may be wrong about it. Should be a distinction, but I'd assume that Ige took some consideration into this issue (articles didn't say much, and I didn't hear about it on the local news). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 The first one is a bit iffy, but if we can lower gun-related deaths it might be worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 First one is very reminiscent of a lot of countries that do something very similar, except much much more lax. In some countries like Japan (as a country with one of the most strict gun laws), you need not only to have a license to buy a gun, but you need to renew it every like 3 years, alongside a test to show you still know how to use it properly. This is just making sure that you're still eligible to own a gun past when you first buy it. Like Fuse said, a lot can change. also why am i posting in general lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusei the Morning Star Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 The first one is the no brainer. A guy could be fine when the got the BG check and not be so 4 years later. If anything it's way too lax The third one is the toxic one cause it has the most room to remove guns from people w/ very little standard on what merits instabilityI'm not too sure on the specifics, but likely if you do not give them up, they'll just have a police squad come over and take the guns themselves. Or basically, just knock on your door with a warrant. Unless you adamantly resist giving them up, then you shouldn't get cuffed. As far as I know, heirloom guns aren't necessarily a thing here like it may be for a few of you on the mainland, but I may be wrong about it. Should be a distinction, but I'd assume that Ige took some consideration into this issue (articles didn't say much, and I didn't hear about it on the local news).Well that's good I guess, but the problem again is the standard for what mandates losing a gun doesn't look to flushed out from that description. And that worries me a lot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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