Frightfur Kraken [ANIME]

[LK96]

Frightfur Kraken

Level 8 WATER Fiend-type Fusion

2200 / 3000

 

"Edge Imp Tomahawk " + "Fluffal Octo"

This can make a second attack during each Battle Phase. At the end of your Battle Phase: You can change this card to Defense Position.

[Lee Cheng Men]

Oh my god, it's so adorable!

[玄魔の王]

So I guess Tomahawk has something to do now. Only problem is Wolf does it better.

[~British Soul~]

I dunno about anyone else, but I personally would've waited until after the episode is out online before this topic became a thing tbph, despite how obvious it may have been.

EDIT: ofc the episode is available now. I just wish I logged on like 10 minutes ago when I wouldn't have seen this topic amongst the recent topics and it would still be a surprise.

[Lee Cheng Men]

Wait I suddenly realized this octopussy was not a DARK monster like the other Frightfurs!

[evilfusion]

Unless the Octo is super good, this is completely underwhelming. Wolf does the multi-attacks better, and Extra Deck space is rather limited. And it's super weird that this thing is Level 8, which makes it available for Frightfur March...but why bother? It's just not that good.

[Toffee.]

So I guess Tomahawk has something to do now. Only problem is Wolf does it better.

Honestly, though, the fact Tomahawk finally has something to it's name is pretty incredible by itself.

[evilfusion]

Honestly, though, the fact Tomahawk finally has something to it's name is pretty incredible by itself.

 

It won't matter, though. It's not good enough to justify running Tomahawk. While good that Tomahawk has an extra use, it'll suffer the same fate as Scissor Bear unless they buff its effect or Summon Condition. You're never going to Summon it, because it uses specific Materials, and unlike Scissor Bear, you aren't already running its Fusion Materials as crucial deck components.

[~Faytl~]

That and it gives a defensive option to the deck in the form of the defense effect that it doesn't really want or care about. Like, if 101 was more popular than Castel, it would be worthwhile, but it really isn't.

[玄魔の王]

Note that Leo and Sheep have specific materials in the anime. I imagine This will also get that change.

[Toffee.]

It won't matter, though. It's not good enough to justify running Tomahawk.

Oh I know.

I'm merely pointing out the fact that:

 

Scissors - Bear/Wolf/Tiger

Saw - Leo

Chain - Sheep

Tomahawk - This

Frightfuloid - ???

[Jord200]

Frightfuloid - ???

 

 

Probably Sora's best card. Something beyond Mad Chimera. Or actually its just for Mad Chimera....

 

Also, what about Saber Tiger? Or is that Scissors too?

[Hello my name is Enguin]

It's shite and even with generic materials it'd be shite. Sure 3k defence but if you're walling up in the most otk-oriented deck ever you're losing anyway.

[Blake]

idk why everyone in this topic thinks that this card is bad

 

It's fine as-is (well, assuming it just needs tomahawk, not octo), and, given the existence of wolf, almost definitely will be buffed akin to Sheep.

 

It gives you an extra use for a utility card. There was no point in the past, but this means that there may be a point, because you no longer have to summon Tomahawk to get value.

 

It's not bad by any means, aside from specific Fluffal.

 

An easily summonable 8 also means that you can sabertooth into R8, most notably after they both swing.

[Hello my name is Enguin]

idk why everyone in this topic thinks that this card is bad

 

It's fine as-is (well, assuming it just needs tomahawk, not octo), and, given the existence of wolf, almost definitely will be buffed akin to Sheep.

 

It gives you an extra use for a utility card. There was no point in the past, but this means that there may be a point, because you no longer have to summon Tomahawk to get value.

 

It's not bad by any means, aside from specific Fluffal.

 

An easily summonable 8 also means that you can sabertooth into R8, most notably after they both swing.

Because it is bad. Even assuming completely generic materials it offers nothing as is. Sure, theoretical buffs can make it better but that's irrelevant to discussing what he have, which is this shite.

 

Tomohawk is not a utility card, it's an unsearchable Foolish that will likely eat your NS, which you much rather use for Dog or Owl, both of whom you can search. Like really there is no use for Tomahawk, it looks fine on paper but you aim to otk as soon as possible (t2 or t3, depending on if you've to go first) and it's too slow for that purpose.

 

Your unsearchable monsters should be Chain, who is another name, a Sheep req, and a floater, and King of the Swamp for more Poly and access to the non-generic fusions (which would include this anyway). Tomahawk genuinely has no place in the deck and this does not make it worth.

 

Rank 8 is not a point because anywhere you could do that you could also just loop Sabres which is infinitely better in every department, and the extra is tight anyway + this play is pure disrespectful meme territory so how and why would you even go for it.

 

Yes, the real version could and most likely will be buffed but we've no idea what that will entail and this as it is is shite and pointless and adds nothing at all to the deck that it can't already do aside from being a slight wall, which even then, 3-mat Sabres does better.

[Blake]

Because it is bad. Even assuming completely generic materials it offers nothing as is. Sure, theoretical buffs can make it better but that's irrelevant to discussing what he have, which is this shite.

you say when I listed such

 

Tomohawk is not a utility card, it's an unsearchable Foolish that will likely eat your NS, which you much rather use for Dog or Owl, both of whom you can search. Like really there is no use for Tomahawk, it looks fine on paper but you aim to otk as soon as possible (t2 or t3, depending on if you've to go first) and it's too slow for that purpose.

Foolish is a utility card. So that point falters, especially since it can become the other edge imps.

 

You are not required to summon it, and this makes sure it's never entirely dead.

 

Your unsearchable monsters should be Chain, who is another name, a Sheep req, and a floater, and King of the Swamp for more Poly and access to the non-generic fusions (which would include this anyway). Tomahawk genuinely has no place in the deck and this does not make it worth.

itp THE BUILD WILL NEVER CHANGE AND INCENTIVIZING A CARD THAT IS JUST SHORT OF PLAYABLE MEANS NOTHING

 

Rank 8 is not a point because anywhere you could do that you could also just loop Sabres which is infinitely better in every department, and the extra is tight anyway + this play is pure disrespectful meme territory so how and why would you even go for it.

See, when I say your points are wrong, I either point out how you're wrong or provide a coherent counterpoint.

 

This is neither.

 

Titanic Galaxy is an absurd card, and given that this gives you 3 huge swings with sabertooth and then goes into it in MP2, it's nothing to be written off.

 

This site wrote off similar interactions in Pedra early on, because giving up value/memes.

 

Yes, the real version could and most likely will be buffed but we've no idea what that will entail and this as it is is shite and pointless and adds nothing at all to the deck that it can't already do aside from being a slight wall, which even then, 3-mat Sabres does better.

 

And now you just decide to go into buzzwords with no evidence at all, and cite an incomparable card to cover a use I didn't mention.

 

Good job.

[Hello my name is Enguin]

you say when I listed such

 

Foolish is a utility card. So that point falters, especially since it can become the other edge imps.

 

You are not required to summon it, and this makes sure it's never entirely dead.

 

itp THE BUILD WILL NEVER CHANGE AND INCENTIVIZING A CARD THAT IS JUST SHORT OF PLAYABLE MEANS NOTHING

 

See, when I say your points are wrong, I either point out how you're wrong or provide a coherent counterpoint.

This is neither.

 

Titanic Galaxy is an absurd card, and given that this gives you 3 huge swings with sabertooth and then goes into it in MP2, it's nothing to be written off.

 

This site wrote off similar interactions in Pedra early on, because giving up value/memes.

 

And now you just decide to go into buzzwords with no evidence at all, and cite an incomparable card to cover a use I didn't mention.

Good job.

It's super limited scope Foolish. If it could mill Fluffals it'd be useful. It really only gets value off milling Chain because Sabres is so searchable already, and while that is a good interaction it doesn't warrant running it.

 

Like it really doesn't at all. I did run Tomahawk initially and it was nothing but dead the entire time. King of the Swamp does the job better with the bonus of being more Poly and the only downside that you can't mill Chain but with essentially 9 Vendor (Dog/Bear) and the insanity of Wings and 3 Chain you have a strong chance of finding it.

 

Yes let us type in allcaps to mock and exaggerate the point this is fun. This card is not going to push Tomahawk into greatness when, again, King of the Swamp is still a card and Tomahawk is a terrible NS in 99% of cases, with the only other way you're getting him on board being Scissor stacking before Vendor which is niche at best in a t2/t3 scenario. Later sure but this is a deck that burns resources to go in for the kill so it's improbable you get there either way.

 

Looping Sabres is better than Sabres into this into rank 8. That is a counterpoint. You can already do it but if you're looping Sabres, or in your example swinging with both (which is over 8k on its own so why even m2), and not winning, then you're doing something wrong.

 

There just is not room for Xyz. Like at best you can squeeze in one or two, but Fluffals really do not have a turn 1 play and a combo that would eat your entire hand to make Harbinger is not going to become it. Sure in theory rank 8 is nice but the possibility of it being relevant, and accomodating it in the first place, requires restructuring the deck quite a bit for a decent play that makes you go fairly minus.

 

Thx for condescending tone really appreciate it. Didn't say or even imply you mentioned it just brought it up as a last second thought. I've played this deck enough to know that this card doesn't help you at all, sure it opens up rank 8 slightly more than you can do already but christ the minus on those plays is not something you can easily recover because as I mentioned you do burn through your cards. Sabres into this requires you to open Poly/Tomahawk/2 Fluffals. If you can't kill with that damage then sure you can rank 8 at a -3 overall but like egh. Ok. That's a thing. Doesn't really make this worthwhile to me.

[Blake]

It's super limited scope Foolish. If it could mill Fluffals it'd be useful. It really only gets value off milling Chain because Sabres is so searchable already, and while that is a good interaction it doesn't warrant running it.

uh again, you're arguing with a basis in the now, not in the to be

 

While the future is not certain, you cannot deny that builds regularly change. Burning Abyss has adapted, like... 7 times? Barring niche versions?

 

Like it really doesn't at all. I did run Tomahawk initially and it was nothing but dead the entire time. King of the Swamp does the job better with the bonus of being more Poly and the only downside that you can't mill Chain but with essentially 9 Vendor (Dog/Bear) and the insanity of Wings and 3 Chain you have a strong chance of finding it.

Let me just thank you.

 

King of the Swamp.

 

Even if you deny a utility card that isn't bad, simply not good enough, you brought up another card that makes this easier to summon.

 

Thus negating any naysay you have on tomahawk, as it's not the only way to make it.

 

And don't argue "but wolf", considering this has the additional niche of its level and (although unlikely to matter) 200 more ATK.

 

Yes let us type in allcaps to mock and exaggerate the point this is fun. This card is not going to push Tomahawk into greatness when, again, King of the Swamp is still a card and Tomahawk is a terrible NS in 99% of cases, with the only other way you're getting him on board being Scissor stacking before Vendor which is niche at best in a t2/t3 scenario. Later sure but this is a deck that burns resources to go in for the kill so it's improbable you get there either way.

Continuing, the example of King of the Swamp isn't even a perfect one. There are cards like Frightfur Customization, which isn't even bad on its own, that make it better. It does have a better name, even if only slightly. Never minding potential "Edge Imp" support outside of Customization, as we cannot predict what that would be.

 

So you scold me for exaggeration... Then immediately fall back into "the deck is this and won't change"? I'm not saying it will change, but there is more to my argument than yours. It is more likely that new support will change a deck than not.

 

Looping Sabres is better than Sabres into this into rank 8. That is a counterpoint. You can already do it but if you're looping Sabres, or in your example swinging with both (which is over 8k on its own so why even m2), and not winning, then you're doing something wrong.

What a pompous argument.

 

Monsters on board that you have to clear.

 

Scarecrow.

 

T-Roar.

 

Etc.

 

There are many realistic reasons that you can fail. Optimal? Not necessarily, but very realistic. Scarecrow has been in and out for years, for example.

 

If you output 8K+, it forces the opponent to out it, and this can cost resources, especially when you're playing Fluffal, which excel at slaughtering advantage. Harbinger can seal the deal in that situation.

 

There just is not room for Xyz. Like at best you can squeeze in one or two, but Fluffals really do not have a turn 1 play and a combo that would eat your entire hand to make Harbinger is not going to become it. Sure in theory rank 8 is nice but the possibility of it being relevant, and accomodating it in the first place, requires restructuring the deck quite a bit for a decent play that makes you go fairly minus.

Not a point I argued. Fluffal doesn't have much in the way of T1, board wise, anyway.

 

I'm suggesting 1 slot for testing. To see if denial of resources wins games. That's not unreasonable.

 

And looping Sabres that could otherwise be two seperate revives is not, in any way, better. That's ignoring value.

 

Thx for condescending tone really appreciate it. Didn't say or even imply you mentioned it just brought it up as a last second thought. I've played this deck enough to know that this card doesn't help you at all, sure it opens up rank 8 slightly more than you can do already but christ the minus on those plays is not something you can easily recover because as I mentioned you do burn through your cards. Sabres into this requires you to open Poly/Tomahawk/2 Fluffals. If you can't kill with that damage then sure you can rank 8 at a -3 overall but like egh. Ok. That's a thing. Doesn't really make this worthwhile to me.

Again, I did not argue turn 1. In any way. Stating points like that isn't a good way of working, whether or not you attribute it, because it's nothing more than diverting from the arguments that have been presented.

 

"I've played this deck enough" is a scrub argument, and you should not use it. You aren't a pro player, not that anyone here is, but this doesn't mean you intentionally argue or think like a scrub. Your points revolve around the NOW, which is less likely to be true. You ignore or write off possibilities based on a card's value, even when a clear use exists, on the basis of what is. You write off cards based on the now, instead of acknowledging a good card that just doesn't have a chance to shine yet.

 

Why do you think I push Trump Girl and (to a lesser degree) Nobledragon Magician? Both are astounding cards, they just haven't been on the stage they need just yet.

 

I don't think Tomahawk is the same, but these two are hardly bad cards. They have niches, and they have potential to be implemented.

 

YGO players as a whole just love to write off cards in an instant, and YCM especially loves to. And that should change.

 

Granted, they also do their fair share of overvaluing, which is worse, but ayyy.

[evilfusion]

Oh my god, why are you using yellow text? It's a nightmare to try to read because I have to highlight your posts if I'm not intending to quote you. And I don't intend to quote you just to read your post the first time.

 

Anyway, I'll offer my two cents here.

 

Tomahawk is not outright terrible, it's just...not very good right now. It IS a good idea to include more reasons to use certain Edge Imps. Sabres is utterly crucial to the Deck, Saw is mediocre, but Leo is awesome, Chain and Sheep are awesome, and while Tomahawk has its uses, this card isn't really enough as it currently stands to warrant running it.

 

This could change, but this card needs to be buffed a little. Tomahawk's main value is not just the Foolish, it's the ability to be an Edge Imp substitute for flexibility, and actually...this does help that. And I agree it's likely that they'll buff it to be Tomahawk + Fluffal, which is totally fine, but the effect still feels a touch weird. Then again, Chain Sheep got buffed to also include the effect of Des-Toy Backup in its effect, and that made the card fantastic. Maybe this will get a similar buff, or an effect for if it's destroyed or anything of that like.

 

We'll have to see before passing ultimate judgment on whether this card will help the Deck. In its current incarnation, it's not enough to justify the space. But last time we got Fluffal support, we got some uber kickass stuff in the form of Fluffal Wings, Frightfur March (I like it anyway), and Sabre-Tiger. They could very well end up giving us more toys, since we don't even know what Fluffal Octo does.

[玄魔の王]

So a few things I'd like to note:

 

This Frightfur is something of a trend-breaker. It's the first Fluffal + Edge Imp Frightfur from the anime that doesn't carry over the names of its materials, that isn't DARK, and that isn't LV7 or below. All of this is very... odd to me.

 

But also, Arc-V has this trend of filling out monsters' lores with additional effects not used in the anime, only for these to be changed. It routinely happens with Yuya's monsters (see Splashmammoth and Bubble Dog for examples), but it's even happened with non-monsters (The PK RUM). The change to DEF effect wasn't used in the anime, meaning they may replace it with something else.

[Jord200]

Oh my god, why are you using yellow text? It's a nightmare to try to read because I have to highlight your posts if I'm not intending to quote you. And I don't intend to quote you just to read your post the first time.

 

 

 

 

Real glad I wasn't the only one who thought this No offense, but yeah, its next to impossible to read.

[~British Soul~]

Real glad I wasn't the only one who thought this No offence, but yeah, its next to impossible to read.

I agree, the yellow text thing is rather annoying.