Banner Dragon

[Kanechi]

Hello guys !

 

After Water Pulse Dragon (you can see it here : http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/358473-cldl-setmy-first-try-here/), here come my first try as a casual card, Banner Dragon :

 

 

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Odd-Eyes Banner Dragon - Wind

Level 3

Pendulum Scales : 3

Pendulum Effect : When this card in your Pendulum Zone is destroyed and sent to the Extra Deck: You can send it to your Graveyard instead, and if you do, place 1 "Odd-Eyes" Pendulum Monster from your Deck in your Pendulum Zone, except "Odd-Eyes Banner Dragon".

 

[Dragon / Pendulum / Effect]

During either players turn, when 1 or more face-up "Odd-Eyes" monster you control is targeted by an opponent's card effects while this card is in your Graveyard: You can banish that card; this turn, face-up "Odd-Eyes" monsters you currently control are unaffected by your opponent's card effects.

 

ATK/ 800 DEF/ 0

• What the heck did I want to do ?

Well, uh... Here's a little support for Odd-Eyes archetype (with Pendulum Supporting I would say), which is currently and by far one of my favourite archetype in this game. I wanted this card to be simple : Searching cards from your Deck by sending it to the Graveyard or destroying it.  (no longer the case tho <:)

 

Nothing innovative tho, I just wanted to make a simple and viable card before making one which would be harder to balance. (I'm currently thinking about it, WPD was pretty hard to balance xD)

 

BONUS : https://www.pixenli.com/images/1477/1477773523097604100.png => Here's the very first version of this card I made some weeks ago in an other forum as a "Casual" card. (To be honest, it seemed pretty weak to me, that's why I revamped its effects.)

 

Here, tell me what you think dear users ! Hope there're no grammar mistakes this time c:   :Snoop Dogg:

 

CHANGES DONE :

- Effects revamped - Changed from stupidly OP dumb to just very damn strong.

- Def decreased : 400 → 0 - He's just a little lizard.

- Pendulum Scale changed : 3 → 8 - But still a little lizard with great dragon dreams.

- Name changed : Banner Dragon → Odd-Eyes Banner Dragon - Done so it can benefits from Odd-Eyes supports.

- Type changed : Wyrm → Dragon - Done so it can corresponds to the Odd-Eyes Archetype..

[Blake]

Moved to Casual.

[Darj]

I don't like this. The searching Pendulum effect is just too broad; as if Pendulums needed it. Likewise, the Monster/discard effect is just mindless searching for "Odd-Eyes" cards. I don't know "Odd-Eyes" enough to say if they need, or deserve, this kind of searching, but it still is such a bland effect. Also I find un-flavorful that this is a Wyrm when Odd-Eyes are Dragons.

 

By the way, destroying as cost isn't exactly a thing in YGO; normally the destruction occurs as part of the effect (see Odd-Eyes Pendulum Dragon). Sure, you can leave it as a cost, but that will make the card look less realistic IMO.

Oh, and you don't need the "other" in the first Pendulum Effect, since in the Pendulum Zone the card is a Spell Card, not a Pendulum Monster.

 

To be honest, I would scrap both effects and make the card do something more creative or interesting than searching.

[Sleepy]

 the effect is just mindless searching for . . . .

 

Just how I feel about the excess of searchability in the game in general these days..... pfff...

 

 

To be honest, I would scrap both effects and make the card do something more creative or interesting than searching.

 

Not that I don't understand what you mean, but asking for a card to just be scrapped for a different concept altogether is something done only when the card is deemed completely unsalvageable. I don't think this card is..... I mean, it DOES need a lot of changes, but it'd be able to keep the concept.

 

[spoiler=Kanechi post, because I thought quoting would make sure to note that I AM gonna be talking about the card]

Hello guys !

 

After Water Pulse Dragon (you can see it here : http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/358473-cldl-setmy-first-try-here/), here come my second try as an advanced card, Banner Dragon :

 

 

Text format :

 

Banner Dragon - Wind

Level 3

Pendulum Scales : 3

Pendulum Effect : Other Pendulum Monsters you control cannot be targeted by an opponent's card effects. During your Main Phase: You can destroy this card; add 1 Level 4 or lower Pendulum Monster from your Deck to your hand. You can only use this effect of "Banner Dragon" once per turn.

 

[Wyrm / Pendulum / Effect]

You can discard this card: Add 1 "Odd-Eyes" card from your Deck to your hand. You cannot Special Summon monsters the turn you activate this effect, except "Odd-Eyes" monsters.

 

• What the heck did I want to do ?

Well, uh... Here's a little support for Odd-Eyes archetype (with Pendulum Supporting I would say), which is currently and by far one of my favourite archetype in this game. I wanted this card to be simple : Searching cards from your Deck by sending it to the Graveyard or destroying it. 

 

Nothing innovative tho, I just wanted to make a simple and viable card before making one which would be harder to balance. (I'm currently thinking about it, WPD was pretty hard to balance xD)

 

BONUS : https://www.pixenli.com/images/1477/1477773523097604100.png => Here's the very first version of this card I made some weeks ago in an other forum as a "Casual" card. (To be honest, it seemed pretty weak to me, that's why I revamped its effects.)

 

Here, tell me what you think dear users ! Hope there're no grammar mistakes this time c:   :Snoop Dogg:

 

 

 

I do agree with Darj in a few things though.

For example: The support for Odd-Eyes doesn't quite match with this card.

It is not a Magician, it is not a Performapal, and it is not an Odd-Eyes, so right off the bat it cannot move around very easily because it lacks the support.

The Fusions Materials that help the Odd-Eyes archetype. A DARK Dragon for Beast Eyes, a Beast for Beast Eyes, a Spellcaster for Rune Eyes, or an Odd-Eyes for Vortex Dragon and/or Odd Eyes Absolute Dragon.

 

If it was any of those, it'd be usable for something other than just Vortex's "any Pendulum" requirement for the materials.

 

Then there's its Monster Effect. Pendulums don't really like being in the Graveyard. This card would be better off placing itself face-up on the Extra Deck instead. Though it needs to have that effect delayed in some way or another. After that, it'd be great if it could have another effect.

 

The Pendulum effect:

Destroying as a cost, generic searching that is not delayed and costs nothing, and finally, the fact its target protection effect is worded as if this card was a monster.

^These need to be fixed.

 

I think something along these lines would probably boost it a lot.

 

(DARK) Level 7

Pendulum Effect:

You can shuffle this card and all cards in Pendulum Zones (at least 1) into the Deck, and if you do: Players that returned 2 cards to the Deck this way can add 1 Level 4 or lower Pendulum monster from the Deck to the hand. If a Pendulum Monster(s) you control would be targeted by an effect: You can destroy this card, and if you do, negate that effect and destroy the card.

Monster Effect:

During your Draw Phase: You can discard 1 card; send this card from your hand to the Extra Deck face-up, and if you do, add 1 "Odd-Eyes" card from your Deck or Graveyard to your hand instead of your normal draw. You can only activate this effect of "Banner Dragon" once per turn. When Pendulum Summoned: You can select 1 Type, and if you do, this card is treated as that Type.

[Darj]

Not that I don't understand what you mean, but asking for a card to just be scrapped for a different concept altogether is something done only when the card is deemed completely unsalvageable. I don't think this card is..... I mean, it DOES need a lot of changes, but it'd be able to keep the concept.

Well, it is pretty much unsalvageable IMO with both effects being mindless searching effects, and even you suggested practically an overhaul for the card, or rather more drawbacks for the searching effects. I mean, if you are going to load a searching effect with drawbacks, you may as well drop the concept of searching and go for something that isn't as problematic or slippery sloppy, and without ending with a card that either will end up being unused, or abused somehow.

[Sleepy]

Well, it is pretty much unsalvageable IMO with both effects being mindless searching effects, and even you suggested practically an overhaul for the card, or rather more drawbacks for the searching effects. I mean, if you are going to load a searching effect with drawbacks, you may as well drop the concept of searching and go for something that isn't as problematic or slippery sloppy, and without ending with a card that either will end up being unused, or abused somehow.

 

I didn't load the searching effect with drawbacks though. The suggestions I made are meant to use the extra "drawbacks" to their benefit too. =(

[Darj]

I didn't load the searching effect with drawbacks though. The suggestions I made are meant to use the extra "drawbacks" to their benefit too. =(

Oh, I apologize. The second paragraph was me talking in general on how it can be a nuisance to balance searching effects, and wasn't referring to you in particular; I didn't mean to say nor imply you were loading the card with drawbacks, which I can see is not the case. (I should have at least left a space between he 2 paragraphs to make that more clear ^^")

[Kanechi]

Hey !

 

Sorry for not answering earlier, I was busy cuz of college.

Well, I understand that this card was pretty dumb and TOO simple. So I revamped it all, giving it new effects while in your Pendulum Zone and in the Graveyard.

 

Now, you can decide weither to let it face-up in your Pendulum Zone and prevent your opponent from using Spell Card or just destroy it with cards like Sky Iris in order to activate its secondary Pendulum Effect: You will be able to place another "Odd-Eyes" monster in addition with Sky Iris, then send Odd-Eyes Banner Dragon to the Graveyard instead of sending it face-up in your Extra Deck. Thanks to this, you will be able to use its Monster effect when you need, that consists in making your "Odd-Eyes" monsters you control being unaffected by your opponent's card effects while targeted by a card effect, until the end of his next turn, by banishing this card in your Graveyard.

 

The main post has been updated, hope this one isn't too op ! (well, maybe that its Anti-Spell Fragrance-like effect is too much, so tell me about it, so I would remove it if needed).

Also, tell me about the grammar since I think I've made some mistakes.

 

Thanks a lot for your replies and constructed critics ^^ !

[Kanechi]

Bump !

[Darj]

It actually looks much more concerning now. The Pendulum effect makes it an Anti Spell Fragrance (ASF) searchable by Sky Iris, then the float effect can get evil when used as "fodder" for the aforementioned Sky Iris, also Pendulum Sorcerer, Metalfoes, etc.,THEN after being popped and sending itself to the grave it gets to protect your Odd-Eyes Dragons and practically disable the opponent from targeting them unless they are willing to pay the price of it. Yeah, the ASF effect is too much and is better if it's gone, IMO. With the rest of the effects the card remains strong, but shouldn't be as overwhelming.

[Sleepy]

As a note: Anti-Spell Fragrance prevents Pendulums from being used as Scales because cards cannot be set face-down in the Pendulum Zones.

Your mirror match will make it more or less meaningless, but different Pendulum decks cannot function.

If your other scale is taken care of and this card is on, you'll also prevent yourself from completing the arc again unless you have the archetypes. This means the card can be circled around in its own deck but closes a door for experimentation and is unfair for different decks. I think Anti-Spell Fragrance deserves to be on the list, so a searchable version is a tad..... unpleasant.

 

The Scale I think was actually more useful when it was 3, considering the deck already has Unicorn and Mirage for Odd-Eyes high Scales, and Pendulum Dragon's/Phantom Dragon's are Scale 4, which is not as good as 3. They kind of need a low one to work with. Or 2, in this case, so that this card itself as a Level 3 can be Pendulum Summoned with its own low Scale (It'd be better and at the same time more balanced IMO).

 

The Graveyard effect is too much immunity. It affecting a bunch of monsters for a period of 2 turns is going overboard.

 

Then there's the interactions with Sky Iris. This card searches while you search with Sky Iris for a full Scale setup. Or a Metalfoes/Dragoslayer variant with Odd-Eyes. To be honest, I'll give you that, this one sounds interesting IMO. If anything, this is my favorite part of the card xD

[Kanechi]

Hey'a !

 

Yeah, I noticed that its Anti-Spell Fragrance was a bit contradictory with other pendulum monsters, and also maybe too powerful.

 

So here's what I've done :

-> Anti Spell effect removed

-> Scale reduced from 8 -> 3

-> Monster effect nerfed. Now, when you activate its effect, your monsters are unaffected the turn you activate this effect, instead of being unaffected for 2 turns

 

Thank you for your feedbacks ! :D.