Destiny Hero - Malicious vs. Toon Table of Contents

[Phantom Roxas]

 

These two cards are designed to search other copies of themselves, so how about we debate which one is bad for the game and which one is just bad, or at least inferior to the other.

 

I say Malicious>TToC

 

Go.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

Broken and should be limited. This card is just dreadful, especially with synchros.

[Lemniscate]

ban right now (or limit, whichever one you want)

[Tabris]

Should stay at 3.

 

I'd post someone else's commentary on the card here, later - I'll just try and find it.

 

Synchros are easy, easy, easy to get out even without Malicious. Instant Fusion lets you do it without having to fit in the 15+ card engine. The only thing Malicious gives Synchros is synergy with a DARK/Warrior-Psychic engine that lets the deck comfortably run, and draw towards, DAD and CCV.

 

And it's not even a "free" swarm, not in the sense that Dimension Fusion and Return essentially are; TeleDAD needs to play out most of its resources to spam the field with Synchros and as such it leaves itself vulnerable to disruption if it does not OTK. And guess how it OTKs? DAD, Storm, Reborn, removing all opponent's defense with CCV...

 

I think the hate toward Malicious stems from the fact that most players have not actually piloted TeleDAD and seen that it lucksacks its way out of impossible scenarios only because of DAD/CCV, and that Malicious is secondary.

 

From Pojo's T-Drag.

 

And don't flame away, sayin' in effect: "Pojo... lulz... so poor".

 

He has a point. Whether that point holds up to scrutiny - I believe it does; you?

[Father Wolf]

should have stayed at 2. he was so bad then.

[CrabHelmet]

should have stayed at 2. he was so bad then.

 

Back when he was at 2, Synchro Monsters did not exist in the TCG.

[werewolfjedi]

mali is bad, it allows the e. tele to make 2+ level 8 scynchros, which is jst unfiar and hard to overcome, even more so if they are going the cheep route and just summon a couple of stardusts.

 

question, how the heck do you kill 3 stardusts on the field?

[CrabHelmet]

mali is bad' date=' it allows the e. tele to make 2+ level 8 scynchros, which is jst unfiar and hard to overcome, even more so if they are going the cheep route and just summon a couple of stardusts.

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What you need to do is prove that this is unfair and demonstrate why this is bad for the game and reduces the impact of skill on the game.

 

question' date=' how the heck do you kill 3 stardusts on the field?

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Brionac.

[Father Wolf]

should have stayed at 2. he was so bad then.

 

Back when he was at 2' date=' Synchro Monsters did not exist in the TCG.

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toshá... or how its spelled.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

mali is bad' date=' it allows the e. tele to make 2+ level 8 scynchros, which is jst unfiar and hard to overcome, even more so if they are going the cheep route and just summon a couple of stardusts.

 

question, how the heck do you kill 3 stardusts on the field?

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how many cards can i use?

 

crystal abundance can do the job alone

 

exodia still wins

 

brain control gets rid of 2 easily

 

colossal fighter can atk over them

 

asura priest + honest

 

...

[CrabHelmet]

exodia still wins

 

brain control gets rid of 2 easily

 

Stop it, guys. It's not funny.

[Flame Dragon]

I have to say this should be at 2. Malicious at 3 allows players to carelessly synchro summon and even if they lose that monster they could effortlessly replace it. At 2 however you can only use Malicious effect once forcing to player to carefully think about when and into what monster will be the best to synchro into. Some people may say that this still gives your opponent an easy synchro monster, but their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting a easy level 8 synchro since the worse monster they could get is Stardust.

[iAmNateXero]

I don't see whats bad about this card. Its cheap and effective, but hardly damages the game. What damaged the game was having alot of powerful synchros with no other conditions other than "tuner + 1 or more non tuner" to exist this early in the game/even at all, But even this is hardly damaging to the game.

[Akira]

Perhaps it should be at 2. It really is mad synchro support in it's current state..

[Von Csent]

Limit it to one. This way, the effect is gone, but we still have a Level 6 that receives DARK, Warrior, and D Hero support that can be grabbed by Sangan and Mystic Tomato and sets off CCV (while that lasts).

[tonisanoob]

personally i find the +1 tribute/synchro fodder to be bad

 

but thn it could be argued tht mezuki shoudl be banned

 

its just this card is ddrawable

 

so its not broken

 

its just really bad for the game atm

[Phantom Roxas]

I have to say this should be at 2. Malicious at 3 allows players to carelessly synchro summon and even if they lose that monster they could effortlessly replace it. At 2 however you can only use Malicious effect once forcing to player to carefully think about when and into what monster will be the best to synchro into. Some people may say that this still gives your opponent an easy synchro monster' date=' but their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting a easy level 8 synchro since [b']the worse monster they could get is Stardust.[/b]

 

Did you just say that Stardust is the worst Synchro?

[iAmNateXero]

I think he meant to say there best target/ worst thing to have to fight around would be stardust.

[sbdnate]

it is bad for the game...

[Umbra]

I have to say this should be at 2. Malicious at 3 allows players to carelessly synchro summon and even if they lose that monster they could effortlessly replace it. At 2 however you can only use Malicious effect once forcing to player to carefully think about when and into what monster will be the best to synchro into. Some people may say that this still gives your opponent an easy synchro monster' date=' but their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting a easy level 8 synchro since [b']the worse monster they could get is Stardust.[/b]

 

Did you just say that Stardust is the worst Synchro?

 

I think he meant that Stardust is the worst Level 8 Synchro.

 

[Psycho Shocker Android]

I have to say this should be at 2. Malicious at 3 allows players to carelessly synchro summon and even if they lose that monster they could effortlessly replace it. At 2 however you can only use Malicious effect once forcing to player to carefully think about when and into what monster will be the best to synchro into. Some people may say that this still gives your opponent an easy synchro monster' date=' but their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting a easy level 8 synchro since [b']the worse monster they could get is Stardust.[/b]

 

Did you just say that Stardust is the worst Synchro?

 

I think he meant that Stardust is the worst Level 8 Synchro.

 

 

NO MY LIGHTSWORNS, THEY INCREASED YOUR ATTACK TO 6000!!!!

 

*and to stay on topic, I will confirm malicious was used to syncro that ally of justice - light gazer who thrashed my lightsworn deck.

[Azure]

Why limit it, you have to have two in your deck already.

[Flame Dragon]

I have to say this should be at 2. Malicious at 3 allows players to carelessly synchro summon and even if they lose that monster they could effortlessly replace it. At 2 however you can only use Malicious effect once forcing to player to carefully think about when and into what monster will be the best to synchro into. Some people may say that this still gives your opponent an easy synchro monster' date=' but their is nothing wrong with your opponent getting a easy level 8 synchro since [b']the worse monster they could get is Stardust.[/b]

 

Did you just say that Stardust is the worst Synchro?

 

I think he meant to say there best target/ worst thing to have to fight around would be stardust.

^This

[Mutant Monster RAEG-HAPYP]

This should not be limited cuz then the effect will be pointless. It needs to be Semi.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

This should not be limited cuz then the effect will be pointless. It needs to be Semi.

 

What if at two it's effect is still too powerful?