The Dark One Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 ' pid='1429579' dateline='1228430910']So' date=' just because this card is not resistant to Traps and Spells and Effects, its 8000 ATK goes down the drain. And I don't want this card to be banworthy, I was asking about overpoweredness. So, if it was resistant to Traps, it WOULD be OPed. But now, it isn't OPed. I get it... kinda? :?[/quote'] No, not really. This card isn't even very good right now. It simply has an unacceptable effect: It generates ATK far too easily to be allowed. That's why Cyber-Stein was banned. Being immune to Traps would help its playability, but that would just let the OTK deck focus a little less heavily on S/T removal. It's not that much of a problem to keep things off the field if you're running Trunade, Heavy, MST and a few Dust Tornadoes. Of course, this is the point at which I normally diverge from Crab Helmet's opinion. I don't think the card should be touched until it is included in a deck that has a significant impact on dueling. It's just not a problem card if some noob tributes off their Blue Eyes (that they actually tribute summoned) for a Great Maju, and then gets mad when the other noob activates Trap Hole. I used to say that COSR shouldn't be banned until it's seen in an SJC top16 again.Well what do you know, it's being seen in SJC top16s again, it's time for it to be banned. Of course, all of this comes from the logic that only small changes will be made to the banlist at a time, which is the policy that Konami adheres to. If things were ideal, there would be a huge cleanup with tons of new bans. In the vacuum that would be left after such a cleanup, a card such as this could become used again in some OTK. So, of course, if a large-scale cleanup of the banlist is enacted, this card should be among the ones to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Ok, BewD becomes 6000 ATK from 3000. But a random stupid 4-star 1700 ATK monster, that becomes 3400 ATK. Enough to kill a BewD, which needed two Tributes. This card, at 3400 or less ATK, need 1 tribute. What I am saying, it is too OPed for a 1-tribute card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 ' pid='1429754' dateline='1228434189']Ok' date=' BewD becomes 6000 ATK from 3000. But a random stupid 4-star 1700 ATK monster, that becomes 3400 ATK. Enough to kill a BewD, which needed two Tributes. This card, at 3400 or less ATK, need 1 tribute. What I am saying, it is too OPed for a 1-tribute card.[/quote'] Then would you be in favour of banning White-Horned Dragon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Depends what card that is? I have no knowledge of the YuGiOh TCG, so I might need a picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Use the Wiki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 Yeah, I saw it. Now one thing you don't get, I don't want GMG to be banned, I just say it is OPed. And same with your card, it can get 3500+ ATK through one Tribute. And your opponent loses some monsters that they could have "Monster Reborn"ed. Yes, it is overpowered. Should it be banned? Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 ' pid='1432815' dateline='1228516872']Yeah' date=' I saw it. Now one thing you don't get, I don't want GMG to be banned, I just say it is OPed. And same with your card, it can get 3500+ ATK through one Tribute. And your opponent loses some monsters that they could have "Monster Reborn"ed. Yes, it is overpowered. Should it be banned? Maybe.[/quote'] If it is truly overpowered, it should be banned; if it should not be banned, then it is not overpowered. There is a word for powerful cards that should not be banned; that word is "good". And as for your comment about the opponent losing Monster Reborn targets: "All right, Dr. Hassan, you've got a five-thousand-year-old scroll of indeterminate origin. Roll a Research Check and attempt to identify." "I rolled three." "After examining the scroll, you take a stab at its origins and declare that it appears to be Homer's handwriting. The others in the room, realizing your mistake, laugh you out of the scientific community." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 As in, you want me to read the card's effect again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 I thought Something funny...this card can be used as a removal in combination with Brain control...making your opponent lose card like Stardust, DAD, imagine Rainbow or Dark Rainbow...and leaving you a +5000 ATK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 5, 2008 Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 ' pid='1432843' dateline='1228517226']As in' date=' you want me to read the card's effect again?[/quote'] Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2008 OK, I guess I read it wrong. Lol. 5 SPELL cards are removed from play. That doesn't hurt your opponent, but this card can get up to 3700 ATK on one Tribute, and add some Equip Spell cards to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakura Vessal Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 ' pid='1432860' dateline='1228517531']OK' date=' I guess I read it wrong. Lol. 5 SPELL cards are removed from play. That doesn't hurt your opponent, but this card can get up to 3700 ATK on one Tribute, and add some Equip Spell cards to that.[/quote'] Who cares. You can get out DAD with NO tributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 yeah but you need to have especificaly 3 Dark monsters in your Graveyard....you send a 4th and what you do ah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 This isn't about DAD, whatever that may be. This is how you can crack open a 3000+ ATK monster, 6 stars, with only breaking one Tribute, and how this can easily become a OTK or a 6000+ LP damager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 And how is that at all overpowered when put into comparison with a 2800 ASTK monster that can Special Summon itself with no tributes, and can destroy all cards on your opponent's side of the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 And how is that at all overpowered when put into comparison with a 2800 ASTK monster that can Special Summon itself with no tributes' date=' and can destroy all cards on your opponent's side of the field?[/quote'] How is Sinister Serpent at all overpowered when put into comparison with Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End? They're not even in the same league. Unban Sinister Serpent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark One Posted December 6, 2008 Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 And how is that at all overpowered when put into comparison with a 2800 ASTK monster that can Special Summon itself with no tributes' date=' and can destroy all cards on your opponent's side of the field?[/quote'] How is Sinister Serpent at all overpowered when put into comparison with Chaos Emperor Dragon - Envoy of the End? They're not even in the same league. Unban Sinister Serpent. I wasn't using that as an argument for this card not being overpowered, I was simply laughing at [DARK] responded to the mention of DAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 6, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2008 But this isn't about DAD, whatever that may be. This discussion is about GMG. Sure, DAD can be a 2800 ATK with no Tributes, GMG can be a 6000+ ATK with ONE tribute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaworm Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Did they ban Thunder King Rai-Oh yet? I hope they don't, because i won an auction for one.Is that considered Overpowered, or good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 That is seriously not on topic. That has nothing to do with GMG, just like DAD has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megaworm Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Great Maju is not overpowered. How's that? It's a 1 tribute Beatstick that is vulnerable to many things, but capable of outclassing most single tribute beatstick monsters by leaps and bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted December 7, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Beatstick is what? Last time I will say this. Some stupid 2000 ATK level 4 monster Tributed. GMG becomes an Obelisk the Tormentor, without the cool blueish card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakura Vessal Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 ' pid='1436658' dateline='1228598902']But this isn't about DAD' date=' whatever that may be. This discussion is about GMG. Sure, DAD can be a 2800 ATK with no Tributes, GMG can be a 6000+ ATK with ONE tribute.[/quote'] And then it kills it with it's ability. PWNED!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 ' pid='1436658' dateline='1228598902']But this isn't about DAD' date=' whatever that may be. This discussion is about GMG. Sure, DAD can be a 2800 ATK with no Tributes, GMG can be a 6000+ ATK with ONE tribute.[/quote'] And then it kills it with it's ability. PWNED!!! Just like Smashing Ground kills Cyber-Stein, m i rite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted December 7, 2008 Report Share Posted December 7, 2008 Perhaps...or I can Brain control your DAd remove my dark monster to destroy all your cards and then tribute it to summon a 5600Atk GMG....stop that....XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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