[DISC] Overpowered Monster

[Dark]

And even if you are stuck with a dumb 1600 ATK monster, 3200 ATK is enough to beat most monsters.

[Aximil]

It's a minimum of 7 cards if you Tribute Summon the Blue Eyes White Dragon.

 

It's a minimum of 6 cards if you bring Blue Eyes White Dragon out with Ancient Rules or Swing of Memories.

 

Bad OTK is bad.

 

Giant beatstick is giant.

[Zeppeli Gyro Supreme]

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And even if you are stuck with a dumb 1600 ATK monster' date=' 3200 ATK is enough to beat most monsters.

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Blue Eyes can be Special Summoned with a single card, and has 2500 DEF. Plus he has lots of support like Kaibaman and Legendary White (I think that's support). This guy is screwed if you Summon him any way but Tribute.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

This guy is only usable in OTK decks.

[「tea.leaf」]

What's with the sudden influx of noobs?

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

Maeby no...It is still DARK....is allurable...and in the case you have to is an easy and tutoreable Level 6 Synchro Material... its not that bad. A friend used it in a kind of fiend deck and never was below 3000 ATK.

[The Dark One]

The problem with your plan, Dark, is that you're running Blue Eyes.

 

This card is perhaps banworthy on principle, but it's a joke this format. And it has been a joke fo a quite a few formats. (The only use it's had in pretty much forever was in Demise.)

[CrabHelmet]

This card is about as overpowered as Arcana Force XXI - The World.

 

Correct.

 

That's at least a 5-card OTK' date=' if you include that you have to find a way to Summon Blue Eyes.

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Ceal is unnecessary. 4 cards.

 

Note also that this card serves no purpose other than facilitating OTK's.

[sbdnate]

just a beat stick...

[Bakura Vessal]

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Does it really matter if it requires a Tribute. Once it is already Tributed' date=' it has double the ATK of what it previously had. For example, some random 4-star has 1800 ATK, and your opponent can't kill it. You sacrifice it and BOOM! You have a 3600 ATK card, with only ONE tribute.

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Then I activate Trap Hole and kill it.

 

Honestly, it's shittacula, lets go through the list.

 

Bottomless Trap Hole = Kill

Trap Hole = Kill

Mirror Force = Kill

Fissure = Kill

Smashing Ground = Kill

Man-eater Bug = Kill

 

Honestly I could go on and on.

 

IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STRONG!!!

 

Now if it could negate all spells, traps and effect monsters, Then it would be overpowered.

 

But until then, it's a beatstick, nothing more, nuff said.

[CrabHelmet]

Games are won by summoning large monsters and attacking the opponent with them. If DAD and Judgment Dragoon each had 0 ATK, they would be significantly less capable of winning with the same level of ease; conversely, an 8000 ATK Level 4 Vanilla would be ridiculously overpowered.

 

People who say "it's just a beatstick" or "lolatk" in response to such high levels of ATK for so little effort are trying to appear skilled by acknowledging that ATK is not the most important aspect of the game, but end up tripping over themselves when they disregard it entirely.

 

Have we already forgotten Cyber Stein - the Ur-Example of what happens when summoning big beatsticks becomes too easy?

[Bakura Vessal]

Games are won by summoning large monsters and attacking the opponent with them. If DAD and Judgment Dragoon each had 0 ATK' date=' they would be significantly less capable of winning with the same level of ease;[/quote']

As would any monster if they had 0 attack, but DAD and JD can do other things then just kill with attacking power, as in using their effects (DAD wasn't known for his attack of 2800.)

 

conversely' date=' an 8000 ATK Level 4 Vanilla would be ridiculously overpowered.[/quote'] Of corse, but this card has no where near 4000 attack, and is not 4 stars. Also normal monsters have other ways of them coming out as in cards like Birthright.

 

People who say "it's just a beatstick" or "lolatk" in response to such high levels of ATK for so little effort are trying to appear skilled by acknowledging that ATK is not the most important aspect of the game' date=' but end up tripping over themselves when they disregard it entirely.

 

Have we already forgotten Cyber Stein - the Ur-Example of what happens when summoning big beatsticks becomes too easy?

[/quote']Ok lets do this.

 

Two monsters

 

BEUD ATK 4500 DEF 3800

Cyber End Dragon ATK 4000 DEF 2800

 

Cyber End has a effect, and a bloody good one indeed.

BEUD is a beat stick.

 

Whats better?

[CrabHelmet]

Games are won by summoning large monsters and attacking the opponent with them. If DAD and Judgment Dragoon each had 0 ATK' date=' they would be significantly less capable of winning with the same level of ease;[/quote']

As would any monster if they had 0 attack, but DAD and JD can do other things then just kill with attacking power, as in using their effects (DAD wasn't known for his attack of 2800.)

 

You assume that a claim that ATK is relevant automatically implies that all other factors, such as effect, are irrelevant. This is not the case.

 

conversely' date=' an 8000 ATK Level 4 Vanilla would be ridiculously overpowered.[/quote'] Of corse, but this card has no where near 4000 attack,

 

Indeed. It has more. Easily.

 

and is not 4 stars. Also normal monsters have other ways of them coming out as in cards like Birthright.

 

You are missing the point. I am using an exaggerated example to show that sufficiently high levels of ATK cannot simply be handwaved as irrelevant on the grounds of being "lolatk".

 

People who say "it's just a beatstick" or "lolatk" in response to such high levels of ATK for so little effort are trying to appear skilled by acknowledging that ATK is not the most important aspect of the game' date=' but end up tripping over themselves when they disregard it entirely.

 

Have we already forgotten Cyber Stein - the Ur-Example of what happens when summoning big beatsticks becomes too easy?

[/quote']Ok lets do this.

 

Two monsters

 

BEUD ATK 4500 DEF 3800

Cyber End Dragon ATK 4000 DEF 2800

 

Cyber End has a effect, and a bloody good one indeed.

BEUD is a beat stick.

 

Whats better?

 

You assume that the only conceivable views of ATK are that either ATK is completely irrelevant and should be all but ignored or that it is the only aspect of a card that matters; as such, you assume that anyone claiming that the former view is incorrect is automatically espousing the latter. It is also possible that you understand this but are deliberately constructing a straw man argument in an attempt to undermine my stance, but I doubt that you possess the capacity to deliberately construct such a fallacy.

[「tea.leaf」]

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Does it really matter if it requires a Tribute. Once it is already Tributed' date=' it has double the ATK of what it previously had. For example, some random 4-star has 1800 ATK, and your opponent can't kill it. You sacrifice it and BOOM! You have a 3600 ATK card, with only ONE tribute.

[/quote']

 

Then I activate Trap Hole and kill it.

 

Honestly, it's shittacula, lets go through the list.

 

Bottomless Trap Hole = Kill

Trap Hole = Kill

Mirror Force = Kill

Fissure = Kill

Smashing Ground = Kill

Man-eater Bug = Kill

 

Honestly I could go on and on.

 

IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STRONG!!!

 

Now if it could negate all spells, traps and effect monsters, Then it would be overpowered.

 

But until then, it's a beatstick, nothing more, nuff said.

 

Only one of the cards you listed is actively played, and it's likely to be off the field before you use it.

 

Of course, a deck that sports this wouldn't make logical moves like that, would it?

[Bakura Vessal]

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Does it really matter if it requires a Tribute. Once it is already Tributed' date=' it has double the ATK of what it previously had. For example, some random 4-star has 1800 ATK, and your opponent can't kill it. You sacrifice it and BOOM! You have a 3600 ATK card, with only ONE tribute.

[/quote']

 

Then I activate Trap Hole and kill it.

 

Honestly, it's shittacula, lets go through the list.

 

Bottomless Trap Hole = Kill

Trap Hole = Kill

Mirror Force = Kill

Fissure = Kill

Smashing Ground = Kill

Man-eater Bug = Kill

 

Honestly I could go on and on.

 

IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STRONG!!!

 

Now if it could negate all spells, traps and effect monsters, Then it would be overpowered.

 

But until then, it's a beatstick, nothing more, nuff said.

 

Only one of the cards you listed is actively played, and it's likely to be off the field before you use it.

 

Of course, a deck that sports this wouldn't make logical moves like that, would it?

I was just listing ones that first popped up in my head.

 

There are a ton of monster destruction things.

 

D.D Warrior Lady

D.D. Assalint

The Monarches etc

[「tea.leaf」]

' pid='1421047' dateline='1228176274']

Does it really matter if it requires a Tribute. Once it is already Tributed' date=' it has double the ATK of what it previously had. For example, some random 4-star has 1800 ATK, and your opponent can't kill it. You sacrifice it and BOOM! You have a 3600 ATK card, with only ONE tribute.

[/quote']

 

Then I activate Trap Hole and kill it.

 

Honestly, it's shittacula, lets go through the list.

 

Bottomless Trap Hole = Kill

Trap Hole = Kill

Mirror Force = Kill

Fissure = Kill

Smashing Ground = Kill

Man-eater Bug = Kill

 

Honestly I could go on and on.

 

IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STRONG!!!

 

Now if it could negate all spells, traps and effect monsters, Then it would be overpowered.

 

But until then, it's a beatstick, nothing more, nuff said.

 

Only one of the cards you listed is actively played, and it's likely to be off the field before you use it.

 

Of course, a deck that sports this wouldn't make logical moves like that, would it?

I was just listing ones that first popped up in my head.

 

There are a ton of monster destruction things.

 

D.D Warrior Lady

D.D. Assalint

The Monarches etc

 

All three of those are as good as dead nowadays.

[Skuldur]

Future Fusion+Dragons Mirror+Sacrifice FGD for this = GG

[.Digital.Simplicity.]

I always use this card when playing for fun with my brother.

[Azure]

It can be very powerful used properly.

[CrabHelmet]

' pid='1421047' dateline='1228176274']

Does it really matter if it requires a Tribute. Once it is already Tributed' date=' it has double the ATK of what it previously had. For example, some random 4-star has 1800 ATK, and your opponent can't kill it. You sacrifice it and BOOM! You have a 3600 ATK card, with only ONE tribute.

[/quote']

 

Then I activate Trap Hole and kill it.

 

Honestly, it's shittacula, lets go through the list.

 

Bottomless Trap Hole = Kill

Trap Hole = Kill

Mirror Force = Kill

Fissure = Kill

Smashing Ground = Kill

Man-eater Bug = Kill

 

Honestly I could go on and on.

 

IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STRONG!!!

 

Now if it could negate all spells, traps and effect monsters, Then it would be overpowered.

 

But until then, it's a beatstick, nothing more, nuff said.

 

Only one of the cards you listed is actively played, and it's likely to be off the field before you use it.

 

Of course, a deck that sports this wouldn't make logical moves like that, would it?

I was just listing ones that first popped up in my head.

 

There are a ton of monster destruction things.

 

D.D Warrior Lady

D.D. Assalint

The Monarches etc

 

Why, yes. Those cards are run everywhere today, and will definitely save me when the opponent summons this card during his turn and attacks for game.

[Logmon1]

Whoever thinks this card is GOOD (much less overpowered) needs to learn to play.

 

Solemn, Mirror, Smashing, Soul Taker, Plasma, Draining, Cylinder, and Negate are just some of the reasons this card sucks.

 

Also, Dharc.

[Professor Cobra]

Kaibaman, Blue-Eyes, I know a card that allows for an extra normal summon. So, it is possible. It is a little overpowered.

[-Lightray Daedalus-]

' pid='1421047' dateline='1228176274']

Does it really matter if it requires a Tribute. Once it is already Tributed' date=' it has double the ATK of what it previously had. For example, some random 4-star has 1800 ATK, and your opponent can't kill it. You sacrifice it and BOOM! You have a 3600 ATK card, with only ONE tribute.

[/quote']

 

Then I activate Trap Hole and kill it.

 

Honestly, it's shittacula, lets go through the list.

 

Bottomless Trap Hole = Kill

Trap Hole = Kill

Mirror Force = Kill

Fissure = Kill

Smashing Ground = Kill

Man-eater Bug = Kill

 

Honestly I could go on and on.

 

IT"S NOT EVEN CLOSE TO STRONG!!!

 

Now if it could negate all spells, traps and effect monsters, Then it would be overpowered.

 

But until then, it's a beatstick, nothing more, nuff said.

 

Only one of the cards you listed is actively played, and it's likely to be off the field before you use it.

 

Of course, a deck that sports this wouldn't make logical moves like that, would it?

I was just listing ones that first popped up in my head.

 

There are a ton of monster destruction things.

 

D.D Warrior Lady

D.D. Assalint

The Monarches etc

 

All three of those are as good as dead nowadays.

 

Whoever thinks this card is GOOD (much less overpowered) needs to learn to play.

 

Solemn' date=' Mirror, Smashing, Soul Taker, Plasma, Draining, Cylinder, and Negate are just some of the reasons this card sucks.

 

Also, Dharc.

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99,9% of the monsters in the game are weak to them too..............

[CrabHelmet]

Whoever thinks this card is GOOD (much less overpowered) needs to learn to play.

 

Solemn' date=' Mirror, Smashing, Soul Taker, Plasma, Draining, Cylinder, and Negate are just some of the reasons this card sucks.

 

Also, Dharc.

[/quote']

 

Every last one of those cards has exactly the same impact on Cyber-Stein as it has on this card. Are you going to argue that Cyber-Stein sucks, or are you going to admit that your post was stupid?

 

Kaibaman' date=' Blue-Eyes, I know a card that allows for an extra normal summon. So, it is possible. It is a little overpowered.

[/quote']

 

Kaibaman is inferior to Birthright, Ancient Rules, Swing of Memories, and so on.

[Logmon1]

Whoever thinks this card is GOOD (much less overpowered) needs to learn to play.

 

Solemn' date=' Mirror, Smashing, Soul Taker, Plasma, Draining, Cylinder, and Negate are just some of the reasons this card sucks.

 

Also, Dharc.

[/quote']

 

Every last one of those cards has exactly the same impact on Cyber-Stein as it has on this card. Are you going to argue that Cyber-Stein sucks, or are you going to admit that your post was stupid?

 

You missed the point.

 

Cyber-stein doesn't need top attack in order to use its effect's effect on the match. This does. making it more vunrable to most of the above cards.

 

Also, sacrificing a FGD for this and then attacking while I have a face down Cylinder works out really well for you.

 

vs.

 

Summoning Cyber-Stein, bringing out a fusion, Synchro summoning Stardust, and attacking while I have the same facedown works oult MUCH better for you.