Tentacruel Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 With all the political BS starting around now, let's discuss it! Right now, I'm liking Ron Paul, and the 9-9-9 dude is pretty cool too, but if Rick Perry or Romney or one of the cookie cutter Republicans end up making it past the preliminaries, I might just go with Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Leaning towards Obama. If he wants to get things [i]done[/i], he needs to do another term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Ron Paul is a bigoted, ignorant and repugnant fool who'd be sectioned in any country in the world other than America. *cue millions of Pauldophiles lambasting me* He opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (he said "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society"), he is against all forms of Gun Control, supports withdrawal from NATO and the UN and believes that abortion is wrong and should be illegal. Stick that in your marijuana-free pipe and smoke it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Dт. Михаи́л Ботви́нник PчD' timestamp='1317136222' post='5543632'] Ron Paul is a bigoted, ignorant and repugnant fool who'd be sectioned in any country in the world other than America. *cue millions of Pauldophiles lambasting me* He opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (he said "The Civil Rights Act of 1964 not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society"), he is against all forms of Gun Control, supports withdrawal from NATO and the UN and believes that abortion is wrong and should be illegal. Stick that in your marijuana-free pipe and smoke it. [/quote] He's a libertarian. What the f*** else did you expect. You're a communist, so of course your views are completely opposite his, don't be a silly. Do you know what ignorant means? It means not knowing. Ron Paul is very well-versed in facts. If you want to challenge his stances, a better word be "foolish." All you did is say, "Ron Paul believes X, but I believe Y so he's an idiot." Yes, I am well aware of his stances, because I AM a conservative, so obviously my views and interests would fall in line with his. Ron Paul supports the legalization of marijuana (and all other drugs, as do I), that last comment was completely unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [i]He's a libertarian.[/i] > [i]He opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964[/i] > [i]abortion is wrong and should be illegal[/i] Libertarians aren't morons - maybe the American Libertarian Party is (hi, Tea Party), but not libertarians. Libertarians, at least my type, are people who like these things called [i]civil liberties[/i]. And the Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave people civil liberties when they didn't have them beforehand. And I don't know about you, but true [i]libertarians[/i] don't like government intervention in social affairs... abortion being one of them. Homosexual marriage being another. Euthanasia being a third. Ron Paul doesn't stand for anything libertarian, especially not in the social aspect of libertarianism. He's a right-wing economic nut-head, which is apparently synonymous with political libertarianism. But don't call him a libertarian, he clearly isn't. [i]Do you know what ignorant means? It means not knowing.[/i] Yes, yes it does. And Ron Paul is ignorant - he bases his beliefs off of ignorant nuances of religion and morality rather than logic. Is he ignorant in general? No, I'm sure he knows a lot about the pro-life movement and Roe v. Wade and whatnot, and that's all well and good. But he bases his opinion off of ignorant and [i]not[/i] well-versed ideals. Ignorant is not a synonym of illogical, in my mind, but the two are so damn close that you can take Paul's illogicality and consider it ignorance. And that's what all the liberals think of him, anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Ugh, I don't feel like arguing about this. Stop dragging religion into this, to accuse someone of being an idiot because of religious beliefs is, well, moronic and arrogant, at least when you're talking about something unrelated like politics. Barack freaking Obama is, believe it or not, a member of a "Religion." He is clearly not a moron. Now, you may be thinking, he doesn't let it effect his thinking, but that's retarded. If someone has a particular religious belief, their overall way of thinking is obviously going to be different than if they were not religious. I personally believe the government has no business telling other people what is right and what is wrong, as they are obviously subjective and the law would change drastically based on the people office if the government were to be given that authority. That being said, I think murder should be illegal. I think murder is wrong. I think murder is wrong because of my religious beliefs. I therefore am a moron because of this. Obviously, that logic is stupid. I don't think abortion should be illegal (in some cases) because it's wrong, I think it should be illegal because I do not consider a fetal human organism, for legal purposes, part of its host, especially in late terms. Although I understand that there would be some disagreement on this, and I do not call people idiots for thinking otherwise. I support domestic partnerships for everyone, because I believe in loving everyone, and that a peaceful solution is best, because of my RELIGION. Clearly, I am an ignorant biased, far-right nut-job. Dark, I respect your views, and your intelligence, but please learn to be more open minded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1317156028' post='5544150'] Ugh, I don't feel like arguing about this. Stop dragging religion into this, to accuse someone of being an idiot because of religious beliefs is, well, moronic and arrogant, at least when you're talking about something unrelated like politics. Barack freaking Obama is, believe it or not, a member of a "Religion." He is clearly not a moron. Now, you may be thinking, he doesn't let it effect his thinking, but that's retarded. If someone has a particular religious belief, their overall way of thinking is obviously going to be different than if they were not religious. I personally believe the government has no business telling other people what is right and what is wrong, as they are obviously subjective and the law would change drastically based on the people office if the government were to be given that authority. That being said, I think murder should be illegal. I think murder is wrong. I think murder is wrong because of my religious beliefs. I therefore am a moron because of this. Obviously, that logic is stupid. I don't think abortion should be illegal (in some cases) because it's wrong, I think it should be illegal because I do not consider a fetal human organism, for legal purposes, part of its host, especially in late terms. Although I understand that there would be some disagreement on this, and I do not call people idiots for thinking otherwise. I support domestic partnerships for everyone, because I believe in loving everyone, and that a peaceful solution is best, because of my RELIGION. Clearly, I am an ignorant biased, far-right nut-job. Dark, I respect your views, and your intelligence, but please learn to be more open minded. [/quote] I don't think you got the message Dark was trying to convey, but then again... that could be me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I probably didn't, I never do. He usually misinterprets me as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [i]Ugh, I don't feel like arguing about this.[/i] I don't feel like it, either, but I have some free time. So why the hell not? [i]Stop dragging religion into this[/i] I love you, too. [i]to accuse someone of being an idiot because of religious beliefs is, well, moronic and arrogant, at least when you're talking about something unrelated like politics[/i] I'm not accusing someone of being an idiot inherently for their religious beliefs, no. I'm accusing someone of being an idiot because they let their religious beliefs influence their judgment and opinions on topics, not to mention that these people are in a high position of power and can actually force their beliefs onto others if they so desire. I've made this claim a hundred times, and I will reiterate it again: normally, when a conservative bill passes, it forces other people to do something they would not like to. You ban abortion, you're getting rid of all of the rights of people that wanted an abortion. You legalize abortion, all you're doing is giving people the option of getting one. When someone's religious beliefs can affect their political opinions which can in turn affect other people, that is when they are idiots. Also, you are stupid to make the claim that religion and politics are unrelated. Ideally, yeah, they should be unrelated. But why do you think atheists, agnostics, and secularists alike are riled up over the American Government? Because they all advocate for the separation of Church and State, something we haven't even properly instituted yet. Politics and religion clearly aren't unrelated - just compare the amount of Protestant Presidents we've had to the amount of Catholics to the amount of atheists. You'll see a pretty large trend that'll smack you in the face. [i]Barack freaking Obama is, believe it or not, a member of a "Religion."[/i] Mhm, as am I. I'm a Pastafarian, if you forgot. [i]he doesn't let it effect his thinking, but that's retarded[/i] Really? So why are there people that are both Christian and liberal at the same time? Christianity is absolutely nothing like social liberalism. Christianity advocates for a ban on abortion, a ban on homosexual marriage, a ban on euthanasia... all things that social liberalism want to keep. Are you going to tell me that these people aren't really Christian? Or could it just be that, while they are devout believers in a religion, they don't let their fictional fairy-tales influence their political beliefs? You decide. [i]particular religious belief, their overall way of thinking is obviously going to be different than if they were not religious[/i] I can be a good little Christian boy and advocate for homosexual marriage, can't I? Being Christian doesn't mean I'm not liberal; likewise, being liberal doesn't mean I'm not Christian. The two clearly aren't mutually exclusive, and while their [i]way of thinking[/i] might be a bit different, that doesn't mean they are going to let their religion cloud up their rational thought process. [i]I personally believe the government has no business telling other people what is right and what is wrong[/i] The government has no right to tell a criminal that he's not allowed to buy a gun? The government has no right to tell companies that they have to hire black people, too, to avoid racial discrimination? The government has no right to tell teenagers that stop signs must be obeyed? There's a difference between a libertarian and an anarchist. [i]That being said, I think murder should be illegal.[/i] For once, we're in agreeance! [i]I think murder is wrong because of my religious beliefs. I therefore am a moron because of this.[/i] Your premise is right, your logic is terrible. My religious beliefs, which clearly conflict yours, tell me that murder is perfectly acceptable. But I'm not a moron so I realize that murder is socially unacceptable (due to a lot of factors), and I don't base my opinion off of my religion, regardless of whether my final opinion is in accordance with my religion or not. Are you telling me that if you weren't a Christian you wouldn't have the same beliefs? Your religion didn't tell you that murder is wrong, because you would have thought the same thing regardless of your religion. You are just using that as a petty argument to have some substance in your post. [i]and that a peaceful solution is best[/i] And I support schools for everyone - just make sure to give the nicer schools to the non-black kids. And that's a peaceful solution, right? [i]Clearly, I am an ignorant biased, far-right nut-job.[/i] Glad we're on the same page. Comma after "ignorant" and before "biased", by the way. [i]but please learn to be more open minded.[/i] I am open-minded. The day you can prove to me that your views aren't totally illogical, based on faith, and all-around fueled by factors other than rational thought, I will accept your opinion as legitimate. For now, it's just satire to me. [i]I don't think you got the message Dark was trying to convey[/i] Bingo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Dark is saying Ron Paul says he's Libertarian, but goes against Libertarian view. You took a SENTENCE the MENTIONS religion and suddenly accused Dark of sparking religious debate. You misread his post. Badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Ron Paul is a fascist in my view... By reviving the Gold Standard our trade market and economy would grow at the expense of other countries to which he doesn't give a damn... Rick Santorum is a right wing nutjob who truly lets his religious beliefs affect his decisions... He supported the War in Iraq and still supports it... Michele Bachman is a fool who wants to give educational power back to the state governments which is foolish endeavor... Rick Perry wants to get rid of Seperation of Church and State and he supports giving tuition to Illegal immigrants... Jon Huntsman Jr. is great but he won't win... He would have a good shot in 2016 though ^^ Gary Johnson is no different than Ron Paul (In a sense) some of his ideas are okay but I would not support him for 2012... Jack Fellure won the nomination for the Prohibition Party and I outright refuse to support that fool, I actually wanted James Hedges to win the nomination... Kent Mesplay is... Well Kent Mesplay... Stewart Alexander is an idiot who supports Socialist Party USA which is dum in my view... He won't get far in the polls though... Fred Karger will not get anywhere... Buddy Roemer will not get anywhere... Andy Martin's only issue is Gay Marriage which he wants legalized nationwide... I refuse to root him if that is his only issue... Randall Terry wants abortion a federal crime... Idiot... Obama failed and I want someone new so I refuse to root for him... My pics for Pres. are one of the following... Herman Cain- His 9/9/9 policy is good but needs refurbishing however he supports Israel, which I don't... Jimmy McMillan- Because the Rent is 2 damn high... Mitt Romney- Liked him better when he was Pro-Choice... Out of all my Favs though I have to give it to Newt Gingrich... He is smart he has all his ideas laid out... His education and tax ideas are great and he refuses to play hollywood games in the debates because he is smart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1317159462' post='5544254'] And I support schools for everyone - just make sure to give the nicer schools to the non-black kids. And that's a peaceful solution, right? [/quote] Alright, you're obviously a better debater than I am, but what in the hell does that have to do with anything? By the way, I never said I think murder should be illegal because it's wrong, just because it conflicts with civil liberties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1317162677' post='5544417'] Alright, you're obviously a better debater than I am, but what in the hell does that have to do with anything? [/quote] Nothing Dark just loves throwing in uselss crap in his arguments to spice it up a little so he can make you wonder what he means and doesn't mean... *In my view* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1317162863' post='5544427'] Nothing Dark just loves throwing in uselss crap in his arguments to spice it up a little so he can make you wonder what he means and doesn't mean... *In my view* [/quote] I'm laughing because I honestly think this XD No offense Dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaWave Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Same thing I said about the 2008 election. It doesn't matter who we vote for, we're all f***ed anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='~OW~' timestamp='1317163189' post='5544441'] Same thing I said about the 2008 election. It doesn't matter who we vote for, we're all f***ed anyway. [/quote] Thats a load of crap... There are many presidents who, in the course of their respective terms, helped out the US and helped it get back on its feet... Some were just plain great... Newt Gingrich is the one man imho who can truly get this country back on its feet... You are just generalizing because the US is in hard times... This quote only applies to those above 18 or on 18 years of age... As a famous Louisiana Governor pointed out... "You don't vote, you don't matter" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Anthony Hatsune' timestamp='1317163483' post='5544460'] "You don't vote, you don't matter" [/quote] I still don't vote only because I don't usually know what's going on with everybody, thus meaning I'm probably gonna f*ck up and vote for the worst possible candidate. Maybe when I start doing my research I'll vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Miror B.' timestamp='1317163861' post='5544479'] I still don't vote only because I don't usually know what's going on with everybody, thus meaning I'm probably gonna f*ck up and vote for the worst possible candidate. Maybe when I start doing my research I'll vote. [/quote] Once you actually get involved in the heat of politics it becomes very fun ^^ I should know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1317159462' post='5544254'] I'm not accusing someone of being an idiot inherently for their religious beliefs, no. I'm accusing someone of being an idiot because they let their religious beliefs influence their judgment and opinions on topics, not to mention that these people are in a high position of power and can actually force their beliefs onto others if they so desire. I've made this claim a hundred times, and I will reiterate it again: normally, when a conservative bill passes, it forces other people to do something they would not like to. [i]You ban abortion, you're getting rid of all of the rights of people that wanted an abortion. You legalize abortion, all you're doing is giving people the option of getting one. When someone's religious beliefs can affect their political opinions which can in turn affect other people, that is when they are idiots.[/i] [/quote] Why is America called the land of the free, again? xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I'm to lazy to actually watch this topic, so should I lock it now to save me from having to lock this in the future? Cause yea, I honestly don't think we can have that intelligent of a conversation on politics on YCM. Still if anything something tells me I should move this to debates. Agree I do this for the time being? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes please do I do not mind this being in debates, better than being locked... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I-dreezyAFG Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 if obama gets the troops out of the middle east, and stops flying predator drones over those countries, i'll be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='I-dreezyAFG' timestamp='1317166543' post='5544561'] if obama gets the troops out of the middle east, i'll be happy. [/quote] And then when the economy stumbles because of his constant spending and the United States goes into another depression will you be happy then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [i]Andy Martin's only issue is Gay Marriage which he wants legalized nationwide[/i] ...that's an issue? Aren't you libertarian, or are you one of those weird economic-libertarians, again, which are just right-wing economic nut-heads? [i]Alright, you're obviously a better debater than I am, but what in the hell does that have to do with anything?[/i] And I support "marriage" for everyone - just make sure to give the real marriage to the heterosexuals and the fake marriage to the homosexuals. It's racism, only based on sexuality. It's the same bloody concept. [i]Nothing Dark just loves throwing in uselss crap in his arguments to spice it up a little so he can make you wonder what he means and doesn't mean[/i] The funny part is that your post is invalidated now because I clearly explained why my comment wasn't "useless crap". Just because you are too stupid to comprehend my arguments doesn't mean I intentionally make them more complicated than they need to be for the inherent purpose of confusing people. You could just be... you know, a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 [quote name='Dark' timestamp='1317166849' post='5544572'] [i]Andy Martin's only issue is Gay Marriage which he wants legalized nationwide[/i] ...that's an issue? Aren't you libertarian, or are you one of those weird economic-libertarians, again, which are just right-wing economic nut-heads? [/quote] Uh no I support Gay marriage but that is his ONLY issue I need more than that like: How is he going to fix the economy? Whats his foreign policy? How can he fix our educational system? I understand that it is a good thing to support but there are other things we need to tend to as well... Plus I hate marriage and I think it would be better off if marriage no longer existed but people still want one so I support Gay marriage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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