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Yu-Gi-Oh! The Created Card Game Set 1 (Final Phase) (YVD SET AVAILABLE IN 1ST POST)

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fortycal86 Newbie

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Well that is understandable especially if he was not informed about the change.

 

I also just realized that he removed the Special Summoning effect of my Fiber Dragon. Take it out of the SET or put that effect back in because I myself will not have you butcher my cards either especially when I was not informed with this change. I do understand where both you guys are coming from especially now. I actually think my card got butchered the most. I'm will not except this. I'm actually pissed off right now.

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Progress... wait that sounds like im trying to turn people against neo or something...

 

No but seriously, it is annoying when the so called changes are made, but they involve changing the whole effect...

 

And i get p***ed because almost all my cards get changed... Despite Most of them being balanced and not needing change...

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To be honest I thought your card was perfectly fine the way it was that is why I voted for it. I think that more people should be involved with the balancing issues because I personally don't like the way cards are just being changed with out the creators final decision. Things really have to change and they must change soon or this project will fall apart.

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We are now all agreed. This is exactly the problem I've been having. I can name SEVERAL cards in the game that were changed quite badly, and one that doesn't even RESEMBLE its original form (The Stranger, which, while I can agree that maybe the original was a little powerful, I don't think it was so broken as to deserve a total change without the creators permission, and I know the creator was not pleased as they complained to me for a good half hour afterward).

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Yeah, if a card needs to be changed, then the creator should be involved in the process. I personally am STRONGLY against how Neo changed the attribute of one of my cards for no reason other than to "balance the number of each attribute and type". It really pisses me off that he did that, and didn't even talk to me. And he took my Army of Ants and turned it into a crap card that is hardly worth using half of its effect. Serious issues here.

 

Personally, I'm of the opinion that the themes should also be messed with, and one of Neo's themes should be removed so its not just one person's themes getting in. Its why we were originally only allowed to submit one theme, and 2 were going to get in. I just don't like how he's effectively gotten to dominate the theme submission. But that's just my opinion.

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I'm of the opinion that at the rate things are going, within 3 more sets of this, Neo will have killed this game. Things need to be fixed quick. I'm quickly losing interest in playing with these screwed up cards.

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I didn't really care about the votes because it was understandable because they were not apart of our project. As far as testing is concerned I definitely agree with everything Adran said about the creator of the card should always be apart of the process of balancing. To add to what Adran said the whole community should have a say in if a card is broken or not as well and figure out a way to balance it. If a very lager portion of the community says it should be a certain way then the community should overrule the creators freedom. I also agree with Adran about the themes.

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At this point I'm not hunting through all of the cards to find out which cards were changed and which were not and what the old versions said etc.. If you have a problem with a way your card was changed, please post at least the old version (and if you can the new version)

 

Neo: A lot of your changes in effects and stats are unneccessary and at this point I'm taking the liberty of correcting this problem. I will list all changes to the effects here, also available for discussion of the creators:

 

|Eclipse Dragon of the Sacred Kingdom|2|CCG1|Dragon|Light|7||2400|2100|Some say that when this dragon unleashes its true power, the heat around it rivals the sun, and the winds from its wingbeat are more powerful than even the strongest of hurricanes. Others state they have even seen the dragon transform upon being wounded and unleash the fury of the sun.|

 

Stats reverted to 2400/2100. This was meant to be like a Red-Eyes or Dark Magician clone, not what you changed it to. Plus, the creator has already-planned support for this card, so you don't need to go changing it. I voted for it BECAUSE of its stats.

 

|Army of Ants|27|CCG1|Insect/Effect|Earth|4||1000|800|This card gains ATK equal to the Level of the monster that it battles x 200 until the end of the turn. This card's ATK cannot be changed, except by its own effect. When this card destroys a monster by battle, Battle Bamage for that battle is doubled. This card is not destroyed by battle when this card battles with a monster with the same ATK. When this card is destroyed and sent to the Graveyard, you can Special Summon up to 2 "Army of Ants" from your Deck in face-up Attack Position.|

 

Added the restriction from boosting it with an outside effect, which was the real problem. The other restrictions placed on it made it useless. Also made the special summoning optional since you made it mandatory.

 

|Byakko the White Tiger|51|CCG1|Beast/Spirit/Effect|Water|4||2000|800|This card cannot be Special Summoned. This card returns to the owner's hand during the End Phase of the turn that this card is Normal Summoned or flipped face-up. When this card is Normal Summoned, if you have received no damage since your last turn, you may Normal Summon 1 additional Spirit Monster this turn. When this card battles a monster, this card inflicts no battle damage. When this card attacks a player directly, Battle Damage this card inflicts is halved.|

 

Change is not needed for now...

 

|Fiber Dragon|53|CCG1|Plant/Effect|Earth|5||2100|1600|While you control an EARTH monster, you can return 1 card from your hand to the Deck to Special Summon this card. This card is also treated as a Dragon-Type monster. If an EARTH monster is Tributed for the Tribute Summon of this card, draw 1 card from your Deck. If you draw a EARTH monster with this cards effect you can show it to your opponent to draw 1 more card. You can only control 1 "Fiber Dragon".|

 

Rather than taking out the Special Summoning part, I changed it... As it was it's almost completely useless.

 

|Ravager Beetle|31|CCG1|Insect/Effect|Earth|4||1600|1350|When this card is Summoned, you can show your entire hand to your opponent to have this card gain 100 ATK for each card shown. Once per turn, you can reduce this cards ATK by 500 to reveal 1 face-down card your opponent controls.|

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Nightmarian Newbie

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Look ok guys..i see why u are all pissed off..i am pissed of on myself too because i lost so much time on this to help and yet then people are pissed off..

Here is the deal..

From now on, i will ask every creator for every change and write explanation why that should be done..

Its even better we all go to IRC LIKE LAST SET and we there make all changes that needed to be done...

And in that discussion, creators of cards will not be involved in balancing their own card...i think that reasons are obvious because no one wanna their cards changed, not even me..people just love their cards as it is , they want everyone use them so if u make them weaker people think they will not be used..that is one of most common problems..

So, what u say we go on IRC and re-balance everything together, but following rule that when balancing some card, creator of that card is not involved in that discussion while he can be in involved in discussion of any other card..

Last set where it was 50 cards we was re-balancing all like half of day but there wasn't complains about it after.. Even though 50% of Types/Attributes or effects was changed..

If u guys agree i will decide some time when i will be free ( after exams ) so we do it..

K?

And last set balance was ok, that we just continue in that way game will stay great..while in this set lot of problems shown from start..

And just to say 1 more thing..i don't wanna be involved in this project and work hard on it if i need to be stressed what will come out on forums or on IRC when i come back.

You people should be much less aggressive on me, instead of discussion most of people just start fights and become pissed off and then i need to read it.. Then everything is obviously my fault while some members didn't even look here for 3 weeks ( they couldn't find it ), and that is my fault too as they say..

Heck, i could faster finish all this by my own without being stressed like this.. i come at IRC and people ban me, hate me , tell me i am idiot.. I don't need to stand this.. You guys do all work then by your own, i will not complain and will sure have more happy life

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Hears my latest version of Fiber Dragon. I would like to thank Karl for the help.

 

|Fiber Dragon|53|CCG1|Plant/Effect|Earth|5||2100|1600|This card is also treated as a Dragon-Type monster. When there is a face up EARTH monster on your side of the field, you can Special Summon this card from your hand. If this card was Special Summoned this way you must return this card to Deck at the End Phase of your turn. If an EARTH monster is Released for the Advanced Summon of this card, draw 1 card from your Deck. If you draw a EARTH monster with this cards effect you can show it to your opponent to draw 1 more card. This card cannot be Special Summoned from your hand if there is a face up "Fiber Dragon" on your side of the field.|

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Uh, that is most broken version till now..its even more aggressive..

I think if Fiber Dragon's special summon ability will stay should be like karl's version :

|Fiber Dragon|53|CCG1|Plant/Effect|Earth|5||2100|1600|While you control an EARTH monster, you can return 1 card from your hand to the Deck to Special Summon this card. This card is also treated as a Dragon-Type monster. If an EARTH monster is Tributed for the Tribute Summon of this card, draw 1 card from your Deck. If you draw a EARTH monster with this cards effect you can show it to your opponent to draw 1 more card. You can only control 1 "Fiber Dragon".|

 

Original version is also better then this newest one, forty

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How is this more broken. It returns to the deck during the End Phase.

 

That doesn't matter because u will finish your opponent before that happens.. You can use him for synchro summon in main phase 2 or tribute him also..

And when looking is Fiber Dragon SS effect broken or not i just compare him with Cyber Dragon...

Karl's version is much better then that.. And even original is better then that..;)

BTW i bet u guys don't see reason why CD is limited in TCG, while TCG is much more aggressive game

 

Forty - wanna duel? I will give u my deck if u don't have any :)

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It will finish you opponent of either way if you look at it. I was also thinking to add this card cannot be used for a Synchro Summon for a Synchro Monster. I would settle with either version. Just remember stall cards really hurt my version.

 

 

No I don't feel like dueling right now but, definitely after all the changes are finalized. I'll make a deck after the changes.

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And that is not good ^^.. And in last version its easier so that is worse.. So, u definitly changing it?

Karl version is good because it limits your chances to finish opponent easy by losing 1 card in your hand. I don't like it though because we got already card like that, its my Diablo.

So, i would say you don't change your card, and leave it like it was, 1000 cost for SS or remove SS.. And i am not sure about Synchro Summon too, good thing i noticed that..

Anyway, do u understand why Cyber Dragon is limited in TCG where is aggression 3 times bigger then in YCCG? Obv, Cyber Dragon would be instant ban here, even with costs like paying LP

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