Underated card of the now: Malevolent Catastrophe

[Guest PikaPerson01]

 

An impromptu Heavy Storm, with a twist.

 

On the downside, it's non-chainability makes it mildly less useful then something like Dust Tornado on cards you actually do want to get rid of.

 

On the upside, the fact that it activates during the battle step makes it rather unique and difficult for your opponent to actually chain something in response to it. (PWWB, Book of Moon, Reckless Greed, Threatening Roar)

 

Discuss.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I never liked this one. If your opponent's attacking you, chances are you're not going to want to clear the field of spell and traps.

[Mister Sir]

Nice siding material.

[Exiro]

Your opponent is probably going to use his Main Phase 2 to set his things, so you'll have to keep this on the field for at least 4 turns to hit face-down cards with this that weren't set when you set Malevolent itself. And even then, they can still be chainable.

 

So that leaves us with removing s/ts that were set when you set this card, including face-up s/ts. And still, for that job, it's slow and you need to keep this on the field for 2 turns.

[Toffee.]

This is a first. They used Turtle Bird.

[Guest PikaPerson01]

Eh, I never said the card was for the faint of heart, nor is it randomly a card that can, or even should be main decked.

 

Furthermore, your own cards are just as chainable as your opponents.

[Phantom Roxas]

Very good against Earthbound Immortals.

[dead draw]

Very good against Earthbound Immortals.

 

this. and the art looks like dark hole with monsters in it. epic

[Kira the Savior]

Im going to start siding this against my friends Earthbound Immortal OTK. And against Morphtronic decks to get rid of Morph Map and Bind!

[Frogmon]

Im going to start siding this against my friends Earthbound Immortal OTK. And against Morphtronic decks to get rid of Morph Map and Bind!

 

and perhaps Frogs with wetlands.

[Tronta]

ugh

steps

no.

battle step != damage step.

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=/=

not equal to

 

anything can chain in the battle step, as long as its of the appropriate spell speed.

shut up.

 

as to the card.

no.

out classed and out-usefulized

if you REALLY need to kill mts

and youve already used trunade, heavy, mst, cold wave, dust tornado, twister, lyla, breaker, snipe, ryko, celest, best, gyz, jd, dad

then fine, use it.

but for srs, its not good.

its lack of chainability, and the fact that in this meta almost all mts are chainable

well

its just useless.

[Psycho Shocker Android]

I never liked this one. If your opponent's attacking you' date=' chances are you're not going to want to clear the field of spell and traps.

[/quote']

 

You can chain this to your Mirror Force you know.

 

It's a pretty good side deck material but the fact you can't use it instantly hurts because your opponent will likely set cards during his MP2. Unless he suspects Morphing Jar.

[~ P O L A R I S ~]

I never liked this one. If your opponent's attacking you' date=' chances are you're not going to want to clear the field of spell and traps.

[/quote']

 

You can chain this to your Mirror Force you know.

 

Only if you've a Mirror Force out in the first place though, which I'm not seeing as awfully likely considering that Mirror Force's Limited. Still a nice combo though, good eye.

[GenzoTheHarpist]

I've sided this against anti-meta decks that typically keep full backrows, i've found it incredibly useful.

[Curium]

ugh

steps

no.

battle step != damage step.

<>

=/=

not equal to

 

anything can chain in the battle step' date=' as long as its of the appropriate spell speed.

shut up.

[/quote']

 

Calm down.

 

When your opponent is attacking, his/her monster can usually win the battle, right?

Chaining Book of Moon to the attacked monster is useless.

Chaining PWWB to the attacked monster is useless.

 

Chaining Threating Roar is obviously useless as it's not even your battle phase.

 

I don't get why Pika said Reckless Greed though...

 

as to the card.

no.

out classed and out-usefulized

if you REALLY need to kill mts

and youve already used trunade' date=' heavy, mst, cold wave, dust tornado, twister, lyla, breaker, snipe, ryko, celest, best, gyz, jd, dad

then fine, use it.

but for srs, its not good.

its lack of chainability, and the fact that in this meta almost all mts are chainable

well

its just useless.

[/quote']

 

Lets see, you mentioned 15 substitutes.

 

Trunade/ Cold Wave : These are temporary S/T "removal", which is useful for decks with OTK opportunities only.

 

MST/ Dust Tornado/Lyla/Breaker/Snipe/Ryko/Bestiari : These destroys 1 selected S/T only, Malevolent Catastrophe provides mass S/T removal.

 

Twister : Seriously, this spell destroys face-up only, and only destroys one. How is this even close to a substitute?

 

Bestiari/Gyzarus/Celestia/JD/DAD : These are confined to GBs/Lightsworns/Dark Decks only. Malevolent Catastrophe is a splashable card.

 

Heavy Storm : You can say this indeed substitutes MC. However, activating at the battle step can be both advantageous and disadvantageous as discussed above. Heavy is limited though, and if one mass S/T removal card isn't enough, MC is a unique choice.

 

Although most "meta decks" run chainable S/Ts, anti-meta decks run things like things like Royal Oppression/Burden of the Mighty and this can also easily force the activation of a Solemn Judgment.

 

Hence it is NOT useless, unless Heavy goes unlimited. (You never know what Konami does.)

[Guest PikaPerson01]

I don't get why Pika said Reckless Greed though...

 

If not used immediately, players who use it are waiting to stack more then one. When they draw more rapidly, they typically use the monsters draw and summon them. Not many people summon on MP2.

[Mehmani]

ugh

steps

no.

battle step != damage step.

<>

=/=

not equal to

 

anything can chain in the battle step' date=' as long as its of the appropriate spell speed.

shut up.

[/quote']

 

Calm down.

 

When your opponent is attacking, his/her monster can usually win the battle, right?

Chaining Book of Moon to the attacked monster is useless. Pwned.

Chaining PWWB to the attacked monster is useless. Owned.

 

Chaining Threating Roar is obviously useless as it's not even your battle phase. Double Pwn.

 

I don't get why Pika said Reckless Greed though...

 

as to the card.

no.

out classed and out-usefulized

if you REALLY need to kill mts

and youve already used trunade' date=' heavy, mst, cold wave, dust tornado, twister, lyla, breaker, snipe, ryko, celest, best, gyz, jd, dad

then fine, use it.

but for srs, its not good.

its lack of chainability, and the fact that in this meta almost all mts are chainable

well

its just useless.

[/quote']

 

Lets see, you mentioned 15 substitutes.

 

Trunade/ Cold Wave : These are temporary S/T "removal", which is useful for decks with OTK opportunities only. Tronta failed.

 

MST/ Dust Tornado/Lyla/Breaker/Snipe/Ryko/Bestiari : These destroys 1 selected S/T only, Malevolent Catastrophe provides mass S/T removal. Pwned.

 

Twister : Seriously, this spell destroys face-up only, and only destroys one. How is this even close to a substitute? Fail.

 

Bestiari/Gyzarus/Celestia/JD/DAD : These are confined to GBs/Lightsworns/Dark Decks only. Malevolent Catastrophe is a splashable card. Rulebooked.

 

Heavy Storm : You can say this indeed substitutes MC. However, activating at the battle step can be both advantageous and disadvantageous as discussed above. Heavy is limited though, and if one mass S/T removal card isn't enough, MC is a unique choice. Failowned.

 

Although most "meta decks" run chainable S/Ts, anti-meta decks run things like things like Royal Oppression/Burden of the Mighty and this can also easily force the activation of a Solemn Judgment. Fried.

 

Hence it is NOT useless, unless Heavy goes unlimited. (You never know what Konami does.)

 

You managed to pwn Tronta with sheer intelligence. I like this guy.

[werewolfjedi]

Very good against Earthbound Immortals.

 

this. and the art looks like dark hole with monsters in it. epic

 

then your doing it wrong.

you want to use endy' date=' or at least field barrier, if your running earthbounds, or then your field spell gets hit the first moment it can.[hr']

I don't get why Pika said Reckless Greed though...

 

If not used immediately' date=' players who use it are waiting to stack more then one. When they draw more rapidly, they typically use the monsters draw and summon them. Not many people summon on MP2.

[/quote']

 

unless they supect mirror force and don't have the means to kill it.

[Tronta]

erm? not really...

 

first wave:

im not wrong. your not either, but im not arguing against you. im saying that you /can/ chain. period.

furthermore, chaining book is advantageous if it has an effect or low def/high attack, or your guy has piercing.

if you do chain pwwb, for whatever reason, you can redirect your attack. say he chained shrink to your guy on the battle step, for whatever reason, you might want to chain pwwb just to avoid suiciding.

im not going to justify other stupid cards you can chain, the point is you /can/ chain them. but protip, ive played roar on my own turn just to clear up space. part of its advantage is being able to activate whenever.

 

 

second wave:

mt stall:

given the level of chainability, stalling is still advantageous. it can /also/ force a solemn, and much simpler. when you play trunade or cold wave, people expect the otk, this is an easy way to tool your opponent into wasting 4000 lifepoints instead of the 1800 you would have dealt.

 

single mt removal: what kind of trollhat sets more than 2 mts at a time? depending on the type of deck youre playing, they may not have any set. the point is, these cards can also force a solemn, or kill one, either option preferable.

 

twister: if im not mistaken, youre the one who just mentioned burden, oppression, skill drain, etc. i see faceup mts that can be killed. this card is niev, but if you really REALLY need mt destruction, depending on the kind of deck youre playing against (and anti meta uses more mts, and by the same token more face up mts), then id prefer twister to mc.

 

 

blowinupthefieldmetas: if this is a discussion of the usefulness of a card, which implies to me the usefulness in this meta, then it stands to reason i would quote some of the more commonly used cards.

 

heavy storm:

heavy storm is heavy storm. you dont really make a point against this one, so i wont address it.

 

 

in summation:

you are arguing that malevolent catastrophe is better than all of the cards i listed except heavy storm. i want you to absorb that for a moment, then stop talking, but thats pure idoicy. however:

if you are so desparate to have mt destruction, and you for whatever reason cannot think this is better than trunade or cold wave, and you cannot run any splashable mt or gen destroyers, and whatever build you are going has no archetype mt or gen destruction, then feel free to run this unchainable piece of crap.

 

ive already established that this is outclassed severely, but, let me further discuss the usefulness of this in todays meta with a two-pronged argument. first, this meta has few set mts. solemn is even in decline. roar and others are fully chainable. anti meta decks are the only ones that this card would be effective against. now, ignoring the fact that this cards usefulness is based on it being an antiantimeta card (which incidently doesnt make it meta), there are still better choices. unless its something like a destiny board deck, you should be able to take it with a side+main decked heavy, trunade, mst, cold wave, and possibly dust tornado, in addition to your deck's gen and mt destroyers. there is no deck i can conceive which would require an opposing deck to need more mt destruction than that, unless were running orichalcos or something.

 

my second argument:

in todays meta, most backfields get blown up every 12 seconds. front fields too. this is why players have moved to more chainable cards. so assuming that you did run this in todays meta, its likely to be destroyed before activating anyway, and furthermore if you do get it off, you have a slim to sheet chance of hitting anything worth hitting. pros dont set till main phase 2. so this card is further useless.

 

there.

its interesting, but ineffective. it will surprise your opponent, but little else. unless you get lucky. and we arent running arcana force here.

 

 

 

moving along

trollington. calm down.

akizas gotta be one of those leech guys who lurks until he sees something he can just throw his useless opinions at. hes one of the people in the background going 'ooooo' every time someone says something offensive. the funny part is, hes destined to stay in the background. forever. not even the main character in his own life. how sad.

get a life, kthxbai.

 

 

edit:

i forgot nobleman of extermination.

[Curium]

erm? not really...

 

first wave:

im not wrong. your not either' date=' but im not arguing against you. im saying that you /can/ chain. period.

furthermore, chaining book is advantageous if it has an effect or low def/high attack, or your guy has piercing.

if you do chain pwwb, for whatever reason, you can redirect your attack. say he chained shrink to your guy on the battle step, for whatever reason, you might want to chain pwwb just to avoid suiciding.

im not going to justify other stupid cards you can chain, the point is you /can/ chain them. but protip, ive played roar on my own turn just to clear up space. part of its advantage is being able to activate whenever.

 

I understand that cards can be chained to Malevolent Catastrophe, but the point is that, due to the unique timing of the activation of MC, some cards will be wasted when chaining to MC.

Remember that when you activate MC, you opponent is attacking your monster.

Chaining Book : For most cases, your opponent attacks a monster he can win, and not suicide, right? I agree for some cases, like those you stated, do not wastes the book, however, the use of the book would have been planned anyways, since why would anyone smash a 1000ATK monster into a 1100ATK/900DEF monster without any backup?

 

Chaining PWWB : Remember that PWWB is a -1 itself. You're wasting resources if you're using it for a redirect attack. (Assuming the monster bounced is not some 2-tributes or whatever.)

 

Chaining Threatening Roar : I have no idea why you would need to clear up space, but chaining Roar on your own turn has absolutely no effect, you just -1 yourself. I can't see how you argue this is a advantage at all.

 

second wave:

mt stall:

given the level of chainability, stalling is still advantageous.

 

I meant stuff like Gravity Bind. :x

 

it can /also/ force a solemn, and much simpler. when you play trunade or cold wave, people expect the otk, this is an easy way to tool your opponent into wasting 4000 lifepoints instead of the 1800 you would have dealt.

 

My point is, Trunade and Cold Wave are usually ran in decks with OTK potential, since they only temporarily "removes" the S/Ts. It is a -1 since setting S/Ts has no cost. MC is just general mass S/T removal, their use is different from each other, so you can't just run Cold Waves in any deck instead of MC.

 

single mt removal: what kind of trollhat sets more than 2 mts at a time? depending on the type of deck youre playing, they may not have any set. the point is, these cards can also force a solemn, or kill one, either option preferable.

 

Well....

but protip' date=' ive played roar on my own turn just to clear up space.[/quote']

I assume you need to clear up space because your S/T zone is filled up, right?

 

Depending on the type of deck you're playing, you may have lots of S/Ts set.

 

I want to state that single card removals will never replace mass removals. It's like how you don't compare Heavy Storm with MST, Mirror Force with Sakuretsu Armour (Too lazy to check if I spelt this right).

There no point arguing whether in this meta, will you see 2+ S/Ts set. Some decks do, some decks never.

 

twister: if im not mistaken, youre the one who just mentioned burden, oppression, skill drain, etc. i see faceup mts that can be killed. this card is niev, but if you really REALLY need mt destruction, depending on the kind of deck youre playing against (and anti meta uses more mts, and by the same token more face up mts), then id prefer twister to mc.

 

If you're talking about against anti-meta decks, MC can also destroy those they have not activated yet, like waiting to chain a Royal Oppression to a special summon for a +1, etc.

Having the ability to destroy both faceup and facedown is always a plus, right? Versatility is a very important point in rating a card.

 

blowinupthefieldmetas: if this is a discussion of the usefulness of a card, which implies to me the usefulness in this meta, then it stands to reason i would quote some of the more commonly used cards.

 

Then what can you run in non-GB/Lightsworn/DARK decks?

Twisters? Trunades? Dust Tornados? Malevolent Catastrophe!?

I believe thats what we're trying to conclude here.

 

heavy storm:

heavy storm is heavy storm. you dont really make a point against this one, so i wont address it.

 

 

in summation:

you are arguing that malevolent catastrophe is better than all of the cards i listed except heavy storm. i want you to absorb that for a moment, then stop talking, but thats pure idoicy. however:

 

Better? I just said those are NOT SUBSTITUTES for Malevolent Catastrophe. They have their own use, their nature is different, MC can accomplish what they can't, they can accomplish what MC can't.

 

if you are so desparate to have mt destruction, and you for whatever reason cannot think this is better than trunade or cold wave, and you cannot run any splashable mt or gen destroyers, and whatever build you are going has no archetype mt or gen destruction, then feel free to run this unchainable piece of crap.

 

For a deck that cannot OTK, Trunading then attack, then your opponent just sets back all those cards trunaded.

What I'd want would be permanent removal of these threats at the backrow. In this sense, MC > Trunade/Cold Wave. Of course, using MC to plan for a OTK next turn is useless, since the opponent can set cards in MP2. Which is what I said last paragraph. "MC can accomplish what they can't, they can accomplish what MC can't."

 

ive already established that this is outclassed severely, but, let me further discuss the usefulness of this in todays meta with a two-pronged argument. first, this meta has few set mts. solemn is even in decline. roar and others are fully chainable. anti meta decks are the only ones that this card would be effective against. now, ignoring the fact that this cards usefulness is based on it being an antiantimeta card (which incidently doesnt make it meta), there are still better choices. unless its something like a destiny board deck, you should be able to take it with a side+main decked heavy, trunade, mst, cold wave, and possibly dust tornado, in addition to your deck's gen and mt destroyers. there is no deck i can conceive which would require an opposing deck to need more mt destruction than that, unless were running orichalcos or something.

 

As we discussed earlier, some commonly ran chainables are ineffective when chained to this MC's activation.

Give a better Generic Mass S/Ts Removal other than Heavy.

I know there are better cards to destroy 1 S/T, but MC can mass destroy, which is card advantage gain.

 

my second argument:

in todays meta, most backfields get blown up every 12 seconds. front fields too. this is why players have moved to more chainable cards. so assuming that you did run this in todays meta, its likely to be destroyed before activating anyway, and furthermore if you do get it off, you have a slim to s*** chance of hitting anything worth hitting. pros dont set till main phase 2. so this card is further useless.

 

Worth hitting targets : What Pika said.

Oh, and not everyone plays at SJC's, use meta decks, etc.

 

there.

its interesting, but ineffective. it will surprise your opponent, but little else. unless you get lucky. and we arent running arcana force here.

 

 

moving along

trollington. calm down.

akizas gotta be one of those leech guys who lurks until he sees something he can just throw his useless opinions at. hes one of the people in the background going 'ooooo' every time someone says something offensive. the funny part is, hes destined to stay in the background. forever. not even the main character in his own life. how sad.

get a life, kthxbai.

 

Lol.

 

edit:

i forgot nobleman of extermination.

 

Same thing: Limited to 1-card removal only.

Can only destroy face down.

 

[Tronta]

alright

a lot of that is self resolving

 

i think i missed the initial example, or rather i wasnt being specific when i was talking about mt chainability.

you were referring to the specific instance of chaining to the activation of mc. i meant in general.

so those arguments are pointless.

however, pros set at main 2. so that partially nulls this. and i think you misconstrued what i meant by this prior. what i mean is that unless a player starts the turn with set mts, you wont see him set mts till main phase 2. a good player that is.

 

 

removal is generally better than stall or bounce, however its less commonly usable. and less easily. in this instance, yea, its a jabroni. you could either bounce, stall it, or use a niev timing card like this. i dunno. maybe we should all run phoenix. or gravity bind.

offense vs defense.

 

as to the 2+ thing.

if you read closely, i said 'what kind of trollhat sets more than 2 mts at a time?'

the answer to that question, is, of course, me.

i run nothing near to the meta. to whats common or useful. my decks contain bottom of the barrel wtf's like book of taiyou. theyre trolly.

but when i set sunlight eclipse sunlight eclipse roar

i may need to roar at random just to set up the 5 to 10ish part chain of flipping my field upside down 20 times.

 

 

anywhoo

i think thats what /youre/ trying to conclude here. im trying to conclude its playability in this current time. you dont have to play sjcs to be meta-ish. i troll at brads for weekly mini tournys. itsfun and challenging.

 

but it depends vastly on the build.

batterymen have short circuit and generics, for example. frogs could use des croaking and such.

but not many decks need more than the staple trio or even just duo of mt removal.

storm-trunade or storm-trunade-typhoon

i once had occasion to run trunade alone.

ya.

its not a big deal.

 

 

and extermination isnt so limited.

sprung on a beckoning, solemn, roar, waboku (gbs), etc

it can be devastating.

 

a single nobleman and some bad luck mills can quickly eliminate the primary win condition for an ls deck.

thats just pro.

 

whereas sprung on a solemn, it can leave your opponent with the difficult option of -4k or reduced defenses throughout.