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Nex, as amusing as your fictional plan hypothesis is, you can't base your entire opinion on it around the fact that they are young / don't look upset. -.-

 

Ienzo is nine. NINE. And he is holding DiZ's hand. He is not even a teenager yet, and looks cute as a button.

 

But we already know he is in fact planning at this point in time. He's the one who convinces Ansem the Wise to make the damn laboratory for the Heartless experiments, for crying out loud.

 

And just because you can't think of a reason for Lea and Isa to be planning something doesn't mean it's unlikely they aren't.

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It's not the age that bothers me. Their is a big difference between Axel and LEa, even if they act the same one has a soul the other doesn't.

 

Same for Isa.

 

No one in their right mind will plan the loss of their soul and any plan they had would have been discarded in favor of gaining their souls.

 

It just makes no sense. Why would a nobody be using it's plan as a somebody?

 

Also once you become a nbody you stop caring about EVERYTHING.

 

Which is why you want it back, so you can care.

 

Thus any goal Isa had would appear trivial.

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Lea: "Isa, I have a crazy idea."

Isa: "Shoot."

Lea: "Say, what if somehow we lost our hearts, but you know, somehow our bodies and mind live on?"

Isa: "....Go on."

Lea: "And like, say there's a bunch a people like that. We could form a group!"

Isa: "That's preposterous."

Lea: "Look at our hair. You really think anything is impossible?"

Isa: "Interesting point. So, would we lead this group?"

Lea: "Who knows? Even if we don't, we could probably work our way to the top anyway."

Isa: "You'd be in denial for being gay for a spiky-haired blonde before that happens."

Lea: "Why not after?"

Isa: "So you admit that it would happen?"

Lea: "Hey, you want ice cream?"

Isa: "Don't you even think about changing the subject you flaming tart."

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Body, Soul, Heart. That is what a person is made of in Kingdom Hearts.

 

Loss of a Heart means loss of true emotions. But memories of emotions still give the ability to act upon previous desires and wishes. You can look all this up, Nex.

 

And I wouldn't get so cocky about you being right, when all of your opinions thus far have been based on your perception of appearance / age. At least I back mine up with reliable logic.

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ACtually as I told you this is an excuse for my real reason which I am unallowed to discuss.

 

I have a bad habit of reading Wiki's remenber.

 

Of course I may be wrong, it's not like they give out everything to the story.

 

Plus it just doesn't seem like it makes sense for two people to have a plan that is important for such a long time.

 

And I don't care how old they are. It just doesn't seem like any plan made when you had a heart would matter when you lost it.

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Hello Organization XIII. I have been thinking of joining this club for some time' date=' but never decided to. So, I ask if I can join you

Name (The name you would like to be called in this club):Chase

Species (Heartless/Nobody?):Nobody

Square Enix games you've played/own:Kingdom Hearts re: Chain of Memories, Kingdom Hearts 2, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days, and possibly others that I am unaware of them being Square Enix.

[/quote']I fail to see why nobody noticed it. It was only about 30 pages back. (sarcasm, for all those who...couldn't figure it out.)

Since valentines day is over, I will ummm...re-re-apply.(?)

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I have a bad habit of reading Wiki's remenber.

 

You have said that. You can say "I have read some things on the wiki" without actually spoiling anything.

 

You seem to think the BBS no-spoiler rule is extremely extreme. It's only kinda extreme. And yes' date=' it's possible not everything has been added to it. So you could be wrong.

 

And I don't care how old they are. It just doesn't seem like any plan made when you had a heart would matter when you lost it.

 

If that were true, Organization XIII wouldn't exist. You think Xemnas completely gave up after becoming a Nobody? There wouldn't be a game if he did.

 

Plus, when Saix alluded to his and Axel's plan, he called him by the name "Lea". There's no reason for him to have done that if their plan didn't have something to do with their whole selves.

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I thought Lea was a plead to their former friendship. At the time he was stating it was a choice between his fake nobody friend Roxas (who only knew him by the name Axel) and hi true friend Saix (who knew his real name).

 

And I still cna't think of anything next to a world domination scheme that will be unaffected by being a nobody.

 

And I have a strong belief the plan was to destroy Xemnas or gain hearts an alternate way, as Saix stated he was untrustworthy and was probably planning something.

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*Shrug* To each his own.

 

None the less, Nex, memories remain well in-tact upon becoming a Nobody. And memories of emotions are plenty enough to drive action.

 

Larxene, for example. She wanted nothing to do with a heart because she could remember clearly what it was like having one, and believed it was too painful. She clearly felt this way when she was still whole, and it very much affected her behavior.

 

Xehanort wanted to research the power of the heart so that he could understand it and control it. As Xemnas, nothing has changed.

 

Vexen wanted to further his knowledge, and possibly (speculation here) become powerful enough that he could go on to learn even more, unhindered, so that he could create more. As a Nobody, he is still driven by the desire to learn, experiment, and create to serve his own ends. It isn't world domination, but it's a goal he stuck to none the less.

 

Do I really need to say more? Just because one lacks a heart does not mean they lose all previous goals. They have memories Nex, and they still have personality. They are going to act on them.

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How come nobody told me if the Heartless dies and after that, the Nobody dies, then they become whole?

 

If that's the case then Xehanort is back once more, and he already had SOME memories of his original selves' time by gaining knowledge from Aqua's armor.

 

I wonder what Isa's (Saix) and Lea's (Axel) plan was? Their plan had nothing to do with Organization XIII and they still worked towards it before they become Nobodies, though their plan did involve something about Ansem, as seen in the credits of BBS.

 

P.S. I am currently editing Xehanort's character page on Wikia.

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And then Ansem blew up most of Kingdom Hearts making the WtNW filled with Heartless which were left to deal with Maleficent and what the hell did she even do with them? Sure, hold them back, escape, and let the Heartless get obliderated along with most of the Nobodies when Xemnas destroyed the world.

 

So if the Heartless and Nobody were destroyed at the same time, would it be a race to whoever get's to Kingdom Hearts first?

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Hello Organization XIII. I have been thinking of joining this club for some time' date=' but never decided to. So, I ask if I can join you

Name (The name you would like to be called in this club):Chase

Species (Heartless/Nobody?):Nobody

Square Enix games you've played/own:Kingdom Hearts re: Chain of Memories, Kingdom Hearts 2, Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days, and possibly others that I am unaware of them being Square Enix.

[/quote']I fail to see why nobody noticed it. It was only about 30 pages back. (sarcasm, for all those who...couldn't figure it out.)

Since valentines day is over, I will ummm...re-re-apply.(?)

 

Sure, fine~

 

I offer mah acceptance, don't you feel special?

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