Fraz Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Whirlwind is perfectly balanced. We have MST, Dust, Bottomless, Thunderking, Trap Hole, book of moon, Mind Crush, etc... to combat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 "DERP!! BREAKER AND HEAVY AND MST AND DUST TORNADO AND FAIRY WIND AND DASHER AND DANCER AND PRANCER AND VIXEN AND DONNER AND CUPID AND COMET AND BLITZEN!!" =/ AND YET YOU DON'T SEEM TO RECALL THE MOST FAMOUS REIGNDEER OF ALL. RUDOLPH IS FORBIDDEN IN YUGIMANZ BECAUSE HE'S SONG PROMOTES BULLYING HUHUHUHUHUH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 *starts to wonder if Fraz is a Konami made Yes man/ Spy sent to YCM to see what we're doing* True, but since MST and Heavy are limited, Magic Drain is hardly run, Dust would be already destroyed, and the rest easily countered, we'll be needing it to be limited or banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Corps Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Rudolph is a glory stealing punk. I saved Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 No you didn't. The Grinch was about to destroy Christmas, but learned it wasn't material stuff that made people happy, so he had a change of heart. Christmas was then saved by the people of Whoville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Corps Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Wrong Christmas buddy. The season is always under constant trouble. I swear it either has terrible luck or is inherently flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Whirlwind is perfectly balanced. We have MST' date=' Dust, Bottomless, Thunderking, Trap Hole, book of moon, Mind Crush, etc... to combat it.[/quote']"DERP!! BREAKER AND HEAVY AND MST AND DUST TORNADO AND FAIRY WIND AND DASHER AND DANCER AND PRANCER AND VIXEN AND DONNER AND CUPID AND COMET AND BLITZEN!!" Just because a card can be countered doesn't mean it should be unlimited.Since I don't think your joking and i think you missed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BehindTheMask Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I agree (0). This is better then most draw engines' date=' and comes without a cost like most of them do. On a side note, Gale should stay at 1, even though there aren't any good level 7 tuners.[/quote'] You mean Synchros? If that is the case, then you forgot about Black Rose Dragon, and Blackwing Armor Master. >___> Whirlwind is perfectly balanced. We have MST' date=' Dust, Bottomless, Thunderking, Trap Hole, book of moon, Mind Crush, etc... to combat it.[/quote'] This. *starts to wonder if Fraz is a Konami made Yes man/ Spy sent to YCM to see what we're doing* True' date=' but since MST and Heavy are limited, Magic Drain is hardly run, Dust would be already destroyed, and the rest easily countered, we'll be needing it to be limited or banned.[/quote'] Fraz is pretty smart. This card is perfectly fine at 1. It is a needed evil, to be honest. Without Black Whirlwind, the whole Blackwing archetype can barely function. Allowing searching with a normal summon is perfectly fine, considering the numerous outs there are. Before you go saying "omg ur a nub, counters don't matter, this is still broken" listen to my reasoning. A deck contains at least 40 cards. Each deck has a certain plan, utilizing each card in the deck. Lets say, 30-35 cards are used to make the deck function properly. This allows a player 5-10 cards to use to stop other decks. Depending on what the deck fears, those 5-10 cards will help the deck stop the other decks. On another layer, each deck will have to prepare to counter the other cards other decks will use. This is crucial, because a skilled player will use each one of the 40 slots to maximize the strength of his/her deck, while minimizing the damage other decks can do or his/her weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 *starts to wonder if Fraz is a Ukaypro made Yes man/ Spy sent to YCM to see what we're doing*OMG COVER BLOWN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Hmmmm.1) Your logic makes sense, I had many decks with 1 single card as the main focus. I'm now (puts on riot gear) seeing Whirlwind as a sort of Toon World or a Boss Rush for BW. Toon world is critical for Toons to stay alive, while Boss Rush allows swarming powers. I know this because I had a Toon deck and a Boss Rush deck. 2) So your saying Fraz is a basically a human supercomputer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 No. "~ Fraz ~" is. Get it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Alright ~Fraz~. If that's your real serial code. Is that why you always stand up for meta? *pulls out chaff grenade* Now ~Fraz~, we can have a intelligent conversation, or we can have me using this nade to knock you out, then find out what makes you tick. On Topic: So, Black Whirlwind is still kinda OPed. But if it's at one, it'll be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 It's not meta I'm stnding up for, it's archetype. If crystal beasts were winning games I'd be saying the same thing about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 So...you're defending archtypes..... Okay, if somehow, someway, Spirits (sub archtype) were winning against BW, you would do what exactly, and why BW and LS gets to have a broken card while the other archtypes doesn't. Also, does Yata fit in the same league at JD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I have this card in spanish. The name is not the same that appears in Wikia. Reminds me when I saw there a name that can be translated as "Shinato, King of a Higher Airplane".I think 1 is enough for this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jericho Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 I have this card in spanish. The name is not the same that appears in Wikia. Reminds me when I saw there a name that can be translated as "Shinato' date=' King of a Higher Airplane".I think 1 is enough for this card.[/quote'] I would love a Spanish Black Whirlwind. Limited is definitely the proper place for this card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkest Hour Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 Blackwings need black whirlwind. I may hate them, but i dont want to KILL them. Your logic has swayed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 True, why kill them when you (in your case, Lightsworns) can out class them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted November 27, 2009 Report Share Posted November 27, 2009 It is a needed evil' date=' to be honest. Without Black Whirlwind, the whole Blackwing archetype can barely function. Allowing searching with a normal summon is perfectly fine, considering the numerous outs there are. [/quote']Blackwings can do fine with out this. And if they can't so be it. If a deck can only be good because of a broken card, does that mean we keep the broken card around just to save the deck? The very simple answer is no. A deck contains at least 40 cards. Each deck has a certain plan' date=' utilizing each card in the deck. Lets say, 30-35 cards are used to make the deck function properly. This allows a player 5-10 cards to use to stop other decks. Depending on what the deck fears, those 5-10 cards will help the deck stop the other decks. On another layer, each deck will have to prepare to counter the other cards other decks will use. This is crucial, because a skilled player will use each one of the 40 slots to maximize the strength of his/her deck, while minimizing the damage other decks can do or his/her weaknesses.[/quote']Assuming the max number of cards you can add you still only have 25% chance at drawing them at the very start. And even by the time you have 30 cards left you'll only have a 33% chance, which still isn't good. And this is assuming the max. If anything, in a good format, the average deck will run about 5-7 cards to remove spells and traps. So, assuming this number, even by the time you have 20 cards left to draw from, you only have a 25%-35% chance of drawing something to get rid of this. And if you can't remove it you are very likely to loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 I just noticed my card says "graveyard" instead of "deck". I think I can use it to fool the people who don't know it. I hope I can still trade it even with that error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Getting a card from the deck is way better than getting one from the grave, so you are screwed. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 Getting a card from the deck is way better than getting one from the grave' date=' so you are screwed. :D[/quote'] No if I use it along with a regular english one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PikaPerson01 Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 It's not meta I'm stnding up for' date=' it's archetype.[/quote'] So when the Chaos Deck of years past was winning tournaments, you'd standby and allow the Envoys to wreck games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrabHelmet Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 It's not meta I'm stnding up for' date=' it's archetype.[/quote'] Absurd. If a card or deck is a problem or bad for the game, then it shouldn't remain just because it supports an archetype. Better one archetype lose a helpful card than the game be destroyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 29, 2009 Report Share Posted November 29, 2009 It's not meta I'm stnding up for' date=' it's archetype.[/quote'] Absurd. If a card or deck is a problem or bad for the game, then it shouldn't remain just because it supports an archetype. Better one archetype lose a helpful card than the game be destroyed. I agree with that. Why should only 1 archtype prevail and ruin the game, forcing people to run only 1 archtype just to win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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