arkel Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Listed here are only changes to the current list. [spoiler=Forbidden]ALL-OUT ATTACKSARCANA FORCE XXI - THE WORLDARMED SAMURAI - BEN-KEIATHENABATTLE MANIABLACK WHIRLWINDBRAIN CONTROLBREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIORBRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIERBUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMACALL OF THE HAUNTEDCHAOS SORCERERCHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGONCHIMERATECH OVERDRAGONCYBER DRAGONCYBER END DRAGONCYBER TWIN DRAGONDARK ARMED DRAGONDARKLORD ZERATODECK DEVASTATION VIRUSDELTA CROW - ANTI-REVERSEDEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDONERADICATOR EPIDEMIC VIRUSEVIL HERO DARK GAIAEXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONEFIVE-HEADED DRAGONGLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUSGORZ THE EMISSARY DARKNESSGRAVITY BINDHEAVY STORMIMPERIAL IRON WALLJUDGMENT DRAGONLEVEL LIMIT - AREA BLIFE EQUALIZERLIMITER REMOVALMACHINE DUPLICATIONMAGIC CYLINDERMAGICAL EXPLOSIONMEGAMORPHMORPHING JARNECROFACENOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUTPOWER BONDRAGING MAD PLANTSRESCUE CATRETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONREVERSAL QUIZSELF-DESTRUCT BUTTONSKY SCOURGE NORLERASSNIPE HUNTERSUPERALLOY BEAST RAPTINUSTRAP DUSTSHOOTULTIMATE OFFERINGUNITED WE STANDWULF, LIGHTSWORN BEAST [spoiler=Unrestricted]Advanced Ritual ArtCard DestructionCard TrooperDandylionFoolish BurialFuture FusionGladiator Beast BestiariGreen Baboon, Defender of the ForestLeft Arm of the Forbidden OneLeft Leg of the Forbidden OneMagical Stone ExcavationMagician of FaithManticore of DarknessMask of DarknessMetamorphosisMind CrushMonster GateMystical Space TyphoonOjama TrioOverload FusionReasoningRight Arm of the Forbidden OneRight Leg of the Forbidden OneScapegoatSmashing GroundSummoner MonkSwords of Revealing LightTsukuyomiTwin-Headed BehemothWall of Revealing Light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I read the first 3 newly banned cards and decided this was a bad list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Hmmm, your missing Tsukuyomi being limited. Considering now that theres hardly any flip effect monsters that are good besides the man eaters and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 You are probably one of the people who don't.:\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I read the first 3 newly banned cards and decided this was a bad list. OTKs are good for the game now? Hmmm' date=' your missing Tsukuyomi being limited. Considering now that theres hardly any flip effect monsters that are good besides the man eaters and such.[/quote'] Why can't Tsukuyomi be at 3? You are probably one of the people who don't.:\ Reasoning is demanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 You banned a lot of bad cards just to stop some horrible OTKs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 You banned a lot of bad cards just to stop some horrible OTKs. Horrible or not, they're OTKs that are possible. OTKs and Locks are bad for the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 True, Tsukuyomi should be at 3! While Yata still at 0....unfortunatly. But at least Gundari is a welcomed new member of the spirit family. We finally got Akuma. OTK's ends the game too quickly. FTK's were banned and everyone was happy, OTK's made everyone basically had a chance at a autowin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Listed here are only changes to the current list. [spoiler=Forbidden]ALL-OUT ATTACKSARCANA FORCE XXI - THE WORLDARMED SAMURAI - BEN-KEIBATTLE MANIABLACK WHIRLWINDBRAIN CONTROLBREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIORBRIONAC' date=' DRAGON OF THE ICE BOUNDARYBUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMACALL OF THE HAUNTEDCHAOS SORCERERCHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGONCHIMERATECH OVERDRAGONCYBER DRAGONCYBER END DRAGONCYBER TWIN DRAGONDARK ARMED DRAGONDARKLORD ZERATODARK SCORPION - CHICK THE YELLOWDECK DEVASTATION VIRUSDEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDONERADICATOR EPIDEMIC VIRUSEVIL HERO DARK GAIAEXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONEGLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUSGORZ THE EMISSARY DARKNESSHEAVY STORMIMPERIAL IRON WALLINFERNO TEMPESTJUDGMENT DRAGONLIFE EQUALIZERLIMITER REMOVALMACHINE DUPLICATIONMAGICAL EXPLOSIONMEGAMORPHMORPHING JARRAGING MAD PLANTSRETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONREVERSAL QUIZSELF-DESTRUCT BUTTONSKY SCOURGE NORLERASSNIPE HUNTERSUPERALLOY BEAST RAPTINUSTRAP DUSTSHOOTULTIMATE OFFERINGUNITED WE STAND[b']X-SABER AIRBELLUM[/b] ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 You banned a lot of bad cards just to stop some horrible OTKs. Horrible or not' date=' they're OTKs that are possible. OTKs and Locks are bad for the game.[/quote'] Ban Dark Rabbit. He has his own OTK.Ban the Ojamas.etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Can you please make a realistic list. Not just one that is "Good for the game", but one that places minimal limits on cards so that they keep value, as Konami does, and only ban cards which completely change a format, rather than those which have any impact at all or could have some impact. Or even have no impact on the meta, but their only use is an impact you don't like. The banlist, in short, will be kept as small as possible by Konami. Can someone emulate this with their prodictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Or we can ban the key card in those OTKs, thus not ruining the archtype or whatever they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 OTKs are annoying and bad for the game so long as they're consistent. If I lose to an OTK which requires a big setup like... 3 Despair from the dark in grave, norelas, 2 mezuki and plague, summon phantom of chaos, remove norelas, use plaguespereader's effect to topdeck burial FADD then I'm happy in the fact I just lost because there's a lot I could have done to prevent that due to it's large setup. I could torrential or DD Crow when he uses phantom. The very fact I have options to prevent an OTK makes OTK decks fair. Banning cards which allow for big advantage swings, like storm, isn't good either. Doing that shows you have limited understanding of how the game is played at a competitive level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Lawless Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 the question is rather, why is it when someone posts a banlist, so does everyone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I kinda agree with you there. If the OTK is a quick one, and doesn't need a large set up, it has to be stopped, if it's has a large set up, then don't screw with it. You had a chance to stop it. But then, what is the JD OTK then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Listed here are only changes to the current list. [spoiler=Forbidden]X-SABER AIRBELLUM ... I'd much rather ban Airbellum than Rescue Cat. Ban Dark Rabbit. He has his own OTK.Ban the Ojamas.etc What OTKs would those be? Can you please make a realistic list. Not just one that is "Good for the game"' date=' but one that places minimal limits on cards so that they keep value, as Konami does, and only ban cards which completely change a format, rather than those which have any impact at all or [i']could[/i] have some impact. Or even have no impact on the meta, but their only use is an impact you don't like. The banlist, in short, will be kept as small as possible by Konami. Can someone emulate this with their prodictions? Why in the world would I ever want to do that? A good banlist is something Konami would never make because it'd put a hole in their wallets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 You banned a lot of bad cards just to stop some horrible OTKs. Horrible or not' date=' they're OTKs that are possible. OTKs and Locks are bad for the game.[/quote'] idgi... you say locks are bad for the game but unlimit level limit and gravity bind while banning storm. Unlimited Tsukliomi, while also unlimiting mask of darkness, magician of faith, swords and keeping drop off and drastic drop off as well as secret barrel, just deserts, ojama trio and nightmare steelcage. Yeah... lockdowns are bad for the game, aren't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Listed here are only changes to the current list. [spoiler=Forbidden]X-SABER AIRBELLUM ... I'd much rather ban Airbellum than Rescue Cat. Ban Dark Rabbit. He has his own OTK.Ban the Ojamas.etc What OTKs would those be? Can you please make a realistic list. Not just one that is "Good for the game"' date=' but one that places minimal limits on cards so that they keep value, as Konami does, and only ban cards which completely change a format, rather than those which have any impact at all or [i']could[/i] have some impact. Or even have no impact on the meta, but their only use is an impact you don't like. The banlist, in short, will be kept as small as possible by Konami. Can someone emulate this with their prodictions? Why in the world would I ever want to do that? A good banlist is something Konami would never make because it'd put a And that is how YGO got corrupted and overan with Meta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 I could torrential or DD Crow when he uses phantom. Even big-setup OTKs are bad for the game because they force you to run cards like D.D. Crow' date=' Torrential, etc. Being forced to run certain cards is bad for the game.[/b'] Banning cards which allow for big advantage swings, like storm, isn't good either. Doing that shows you have limited understanding of how the game is played at a competitive level. Mind explaining? I don't play at a competitive level. Honestly, I hardly play in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Man, me and Arkel seem to be in sync today. We both agree that Konami won't ban the correct cards because it'll make them has less money, running only certain cards being bad for the game. Let's see what else. Hmmm. Could it be that since LS and BW is getting Konami so much money, they won't focus on improving to making other good archtypes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkel Posted November 26, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 idgi... you say locks are bad for the game but unlimit level limit and gravity bind while banning storm. Unlimited Tsukliomi' date=' while also unlimiting mask of darkness, magician of faith, swords and keeping drop off and drastic drop off as well as secret barrel, just deserts, ojama trio and nightmare steelcage. Yeah... lockdowns are bad for the game, aren't they?[/quote'] The "lock" you presented isn't even a lock; a lock can't be stopped once it happens, yet I could stop your example via MST, Twister, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 And that is how YGO got corrupted and overan with Meta. Have you ever played any other TCG? All TCG have a few decks which are better than all other decks and the top 8/16 is all only these decks with a few non meta creeping in but never actually winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eury Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Listed here are only changes to the current list. [spoiler=Forbidden]ALL-OUT ATTACKSARCANA FORCE XXI - THE WORLDARMED SAMURAI - BEN-KEIBATTLE MANIABLACK WHIRLWINDBRAIN CONTROLBREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIORBRIONAC' date=' DRAGON OF THE ICE BOUNDARYBUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMACALL OF THE HAUNTEDCHAOS SORCERERCHIMERATECH FORTRESS DRAGONCHIMERATECH OVERDRAGONCYBER DRAGONCYBER END DRAGONCYBER TWIN DRAGONDARK ARMED DRAGONDARKLORD ZERATODARK SCORPION - CHICK THE YELLOWDECK DEVASTATION VIRUSDEMISE, KING OF ARMAGEDDONERADICATOR EPIDEMIC VIRUSEVIL HERO DARK GAIAEXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONEGLADIATOR BEAST GYZARUSGORZ THE EMISSARY DARKNESSHEAVY STORMIMPERIAL IRON WALLINFERNO TEMPESTJUDGMENT DRAGONLIFE EQUALIZERLIMITER REMOVALMACHINE DUPLICATIONMAGICAL EXPLOSIONMEGAMORPHMORPHING JARRAGING MAD PLANTSRETURN FROM THE DIFFERENT DIMENSIONREVERSAL QUIZSELF-DESTRUCT BUTTONSKY SCOURGE NORLERASSNIPE HUNTERSUPERALLOY BEAST RAPTINUSTRAP DUSTSHOOTULTIMATE OFFERINGUNITED WE STANDX-SABER AIRBELLUM [spoiler=Limited']MANTICORE OF DARKNESS [spoiler=Unrestricted]Advanced Ritual ArtCard DestructionCard TrooperDandylionFoolish BurialFuture FusionGladiator Beast BestiariGravity BindGreen Baboon, Defender of the ForestLeft Arm of the Forbidden OneLeft Leg of the Forbidden OneLevel Limit - Area BMagical Stone ExcavationMagic CylinderMagician of FaithMask of DarknessMetamorphosisMind CrushMonster GateMystical Space TyphoonNecrofaceOjama TrioOverload FusionReasoningRescue CatRight Arm of the Forbidden OneRight Leg of the Forbidden OneScapegoatSmashing GroundSummoner MonkSwords of Revealing LightTsukuyomiTwin-Headed BehemothWall of Revealing Light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 ...this is still by far the best list posted in the past week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted November 26, 2009 Report Share Posted November 26, 2009 Agreed. Mostly about Tsukuyomi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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