=Discussion= So I've noticed a Loophole in one of my Rules

[Guest Zeonark]

I suggest that Realistic be closed to anyone who doesn't have good enough TCG knowledge to make deep and insightful comments about balance' date=' because allowing people to just enjoy the section is silly and nothing less than perfection and 100% playability should be addressed.

Yes, sarcasm

 

If that's the case, I'm going to be kicked out of here in NO TIME.

 

I didn't know you hated me Grif. D:

 

But I do agree. After reading stalking your posts, I understand your point about knowledge of TCG and such. Since some people in RC don't act like they know how to play.

 

...Wait. Sarcasm. FUUUU-

[-DOOM]

You know' date=' this might not be the "best" idea, but I'm going to state another possibility just to see what people think:

 

[b']Idea[/b]

Realistic Cards is renamed to "Custom Cards" or something, and is fused with Any Other Cards. It becomes the standard place to post cards and is a relaxed, casual environment for people to make cards just for fun, without too many picky comments on playability and such.

 

Any Other Cards is renamed to... something, and becomes a more serious place where people post cards if they want them to be entirely playable and would be interested with dueling over YVD with them/ect, a section where balance and such plays a more major role and such.

 

That way, RC, the top option in the CC forum, will still attract the majority of members and people can enjoy themselves without complaining about people requiring too much knowledge of balance, but for those of us who want to play with cards from time to time and consider balance a high priority, there's somewhere for us too.

 

So all cards which should be posted in AoC and all cards which should be posted in RC is fused together? And then, AoC will be renamed to (Custom) TCG Cards Section or something like that? Sounds like a good idea to me.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Or we can set a substandard for people who rarely play the game. But the arrogance for those at that level is what's frustrating >_<"...

[Master White]

Well, you asked me to translate for you, I just was sparing everyone from seeing what I had to say because I was being nice, and yes, i was a little harsh, i know. But I was just a little angry at the time, because my computer was acting up. But I will translate the best I can, and apparently it translated back roughly, so I had to fix it.

 

[spoiler=translation]

I think you are a power hungry super mod that do not know when to shut their mouth and have everyone in the RC and forum hate you. So I uggest that you should move on or do you really want all the people here mad at you? Seriously, if you implement that, you will have to ban all of us and the forum. Oh, if you want to continue to talk in further talk, talk through pms only, thanks. Thats how I potray you right now, even though you did help me on a few Things that were minor. So ban me if you want, I do not care. I got to m goal on here, to be a Legendary and have others know me. Also, if you hate me for saying this, as I do we ensure you will ban me or give me a break warning because you think this is spammig and if you go ahead and go, then you are spamming on the so called Spam I did , and should get the same treatment. Did you Hear of, "Treat others the way you want to be treated," Motto, I did and I stick to it. Also, if you follow it, then go through the new testament, where if you get Slapped, move on instead of doing the eye for an eye, what is wrong. So I hope this Clears you all our and what to let you know one more thing, "Power is a Deviant, it will swallow you alive, its an evil root that will nevr let you out, never..."

 

 

 

I have said enough, if you want to continue, just do pms. thank you.

[Morgan LeFlay]

I don't really like the warn thing for that, I mean if a person posts a crappy 3 card set with terrible OCG, we should be able to say "Ok, these cards are pretty overpowered. Also, the OCG needs fixed, the corrections are:"

 

Or I mean something like this wouldn't make it clear how much comment is actually needed to fix OCG, and I don't really think it's something that should be required like you're saying. I do think that people that say something along the lines of "bad OCG" should point out what's wrong, but providing a fix IS helping the person..

[-Griffin]

"Treat others the way you want to be treated' date='"

[/quote']

 

I'll address the full post here, but only quoting a bit.

I murder someone.

Anyone in that situation would want to be treated with such sympathy that they were let off.

Doing that would be stupid.

 

When a person's actions are unjustified and cause annoyance, unhappiness, ect in someone else, then punishing them is the correct course of action. Here's some posts that I've made up:

bad OCG good pic 8/9

i dont like it

spelling error

get anuver pic

change the def

Would any of those have really been helpful? No. They'd just annoy the TC by not being specific enough or giving any reasoning as to why something needs changing. Without reasoning or specifics, advice can be worthless and new members won't know which advice is trustworthy on partially subjective matters. For this reason, rubbish comments like the examples above are only harming the forums and have no justification. Repeatedly posting them should result in a warning and eventually a ban, the size of which should depend on the severity of the "spam" comments.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Well' date=' you asked me to translate for you, I just was sparing everyone from seeing what I had to say because I was being nice, and yes, i was a little harsh, i know. But I was just a little angry at the time, because my computer was acting up. But I will translate the best I can, and apparently it translated back roughly, so I had to fix it.

 

[spoiler=translation']

I think you are a power hungry super mod that do not know when to shut their mouth and have everyone in the RC and forum hate you. So I uggest that you should move on or do you really want all the people here mad at you? Seriously, if you implement that, you will have to ban all of us and the forum. Oh, if you want to continue to talk in further talk, talk through pms only, thanks. Thats how I potray you right now, even though you did help me on a few Things that were minor. So ban me if you want, I do not care. I got to m goal on here, to be a Legendary and have others know me. Also, if you hate me for saying this, as I do we ensure you will ban me or give me a break warning because you think this is spammig and if you go ahead and go, then you are spamming on the so called Spam I did , and should get the same treatment. Did you Hear of, "Treat others the way you want to be treated," Motto, I did and I stick to it. Also, if you follow it, then go through the new testament, where if you get Slapped, move on instead of doing the eye for an eye, what is wrong. So I hope this Clears you all our and what to let you know one more thing, "Power is a Deviant, it will swallow you alive, its an evil root that will nevr let you out, never..."

 

 

 

I have said enough, if you want to continue, just do pms. thank you.

 

1) You misused the word hate and again took it out of context. Does your ignorance shine brighter?

 

2) This thread is for discussion and I will not sit back as someones blindside is allowed to harass me in a public manner, respectful or not apparently you showed me none. First by translating it into Hebrew, secondly by actually containing a negative opinion inside of it.

 

3) Your goal is minor. Mine is to strip Realistic Cards of all the fallacies of card design so by promoted by various or a single user (hell if I payed attention to the domino effect while being busy with more important stuff; and what that is I will not share with you or the forum. I have a personal life too you know).

 

4) Yes I did, and I damn well live by it day to day. I treat others with compassion and respect. Provided they show me the same. But lately all people have been seeing me as is some moderator, which I'm not. I'm a person first. Is this thread not evidence enough that I'm giving you all choices and the option to make your own suggestions to an obvious problem? Grow up.

 

5) If the world were an eye for an eye the world would go blind. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. I know the sayings, hell I embrace them. And I do a damn good job and preventing the negative aspects of the quotations. I do not seek power at all, nor do I abuse it. So stop taking your little words out of context to prove a point, you're shaming us all!

 

As far as I've got from you, you're apparently a little child who doesn't like that his basic behavior may or may not be causing a problem (I don't exactly pay attention to specific users anymore due to doing more stuff but being faithful to the forum, so I can't speak for you and what I said was suggestive).

 

Now stop QQ and do as the thread said and offer solutions.

[Master White]

Well, then you misunderstood lots of stuff in their, as I did give a solution, but you are not following. That was my solution and I don't care if you think I'm childish, because you know what, adults have way less fun than minors do and that is why. Out of context, so are you saying that I'm using them from a book I don't even have. Purely you are not worthy of knowing me. Also, what all i was trying to say is this, move on and ignore others. The eye for an eye thing I do not follow as of what you thought I met. If I did follow it, I would surely be mean. But anyhow, I will take my own advice and move on like I asked you to do with this thread, my options below.

 

[spoiler=Option 1]

Follow my idea and move on and ignore that you even created this thread for reasons minor and not for the sake of good. To actually make sure others will respect you and will follow a leader with a responisble heart if you follow this option.

 

 

[spoiler=Option 2]

Completely ignore my existence on this thread and reason you probably think I'm childish because you found my oldest thread and took it straight from their instead of opening your eyes and see what I have done for the YCM community. So will you will continue with your option A and B ignoring what I have said and will continue that my saying's would lead to the future of knowing I was right about how you will have the whole RC thread hate you if you implement this idea. So if you are so intent on having this as you are, then go ahead, IRDC. If you did implement this, I'd oon rather be banned then even be on here, which as an end result, I know I will because you will take this option. Also, my goal is minor? I thought I was doing my goal to get you to leave RC section alone, as I see it won't happen anytime soon because you don't look beyond of what you are saying.

 

 

Calling me ignorance is the most worst you have done.

Also, if you don't like me speaking the way I speak, then be hold a contuitist, i believe. I also am being as respectful as I can, because I like that one motto, but when you took this in your own hands, it was time...Well, I have to go and eat, so do waht you like.

[Guest JoshIcy]

ITT: Ignorance means outright stupid.

 

It merely means not knowing of a specific thing. It's hardly hostile and often can be used to promote good will.

 

I did not create this thread for minor reasons. Ive ALWAYS posted threads like this when major changes happened and I prefer each person to get in a say and it allows you all to get involved with whats going on and allowed to make a difference instead of just following. Do you not like that?

 

And no I will not ignore your existence in this thread, that'd be mean. And AGAIN you took what I said out of context (no it does not stick to just a book <_<); I clearly said: "And I do a damn good job at preventing the negative aspects of the quotations". Can you not read?

 

Adults don't have a less fun way of doing stuff, they just do it differently. And if you don't like it, then stay away. But this thread is meant to get the opinion of everyone to reach a middleground. Option A and B on the thread are just suggestions that may or may not happen, provided that no one else offers another solution.

[Master White]

I know what ignorance means, and it clearly states, "Ignorance of something is lack of knowledge about it." So, yes your right on the second part. So, I may be stupid in your context of what your using it for, but I only know to lack of one thing, politics. You know why, I absolutely dislike politicians. Reason is between me and my friends. That is why I am hating myself for right now. Also, so you think cleaning the house, watching kids, working to make a living is fun? If so, then I stumbled in the wrong crowd and if not, then why don't you just follow this, "Live life as if you were going to die the next." You know what that means to me, ignore rules and have a blast, because you might die the next day, which I clearly state in this. Oh, and if you want to know what thing I am, I am an person that follows by the law of the constitution and this is freedom of speech, isn't it not?

 

I did not create this thread for minor reasons. Ive ALWAYS posted threads like this when major changes happened and I prefer each person to get in a say and it allows you all to get involved with whats going on and allowed to make a difference instead of just following. Do you not like that?

 

That right there, sure I do like that, but I know and others know you won't, and I can sense that. Even though you are trying to do this for the good, you will surely just implement your idea anyhow, especially if someone implements a better idea, you will still just go for yours. If you understanding and loyal, then prove it by pming all the mods and super mods and having their thoughts posted here. As said, I hate being called ignorant because I may lack of politics, but that doesn't mean for a bad reason.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Yes... I will implement the idea (like it already hasnt been for months; go read the rules it hasn't been edited in ages- the rule itself was actually implemented a year ago) the question is how severe it should be and what we can do to change it.

 

And what the bloody hell does politics have to do with this? Also, speaking to mods about our ideals is not of a public forum.

[Master White]

Well, if it was already implemented, then why go out of your way to make even more harsh then what it should be? Well, if it already implemented, then why don't you just leave it as is instead of making it bigger deal. Everyone liked it the way it was except for a few. What has this to do with politic, lots of things. First, talking on the forum how to increase the rule of this is political. Also, I can see your staying clear away from all mods on this discussion is actually making me have little respect for you. And by all means, if you want it to be more severe, make it an instant ban. I would love to see how many people get banned off of here because of a minor rule that is one YEAR old, so it was implemented by whom in 2009. Remember, this is 2010 now. Rules can change for the good and bad and all I'm saying is that when you change this, everything will break loose. Unless, you make it so it is less harsh than what it was originally.

[Sander]

Well' date=' if it was already implemented, then why go out of your way to make even more harsh then what it should be? Well, if it already implemented, then why don't you just leave it as is instead of making it bigger deal. Everyone liked it the way it was except for a few. What has this to do with politic, lots of things. First, talking on the forum how to increase the rule of this is political. Also, I can see your staying clear away from all mods on this discussion is actually making me have little respect for you. And by all means, if you want it to be more severe, make it an instant ban. I would love to see how many people get banned off of here because of a minor rule that is one YEAR old, so it was implemented by whom in 2009. Remember, this is 2010 now. Rules can change for the good and bad and all I'm saying is that when you change this, everything will break loose. Unless, you make it so it is less harsh than what it was originally.

[/quote']

 

How hard is it to understand that he's trying to stop people from abusing the loophole? I mean, seriously, you don't have to be a freaking rocket scientist to figure it out.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Im not keeping it away from mods... Did you not read earlier? This is a prempt because I want to hear everyone's opinion before it happened and occurred. I will link them when you all offer different solutions. And option B is as it is, albeit Ive gotten complaints, it has to be done.

 

Also... READ THE RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! READ THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTICE HOW THE RULE ITSELF IS A MISC ONE, AND HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN THERE? YEAH IT WAS THERE FOR TIMES LIKE NOW WHEN IT NEEDS TO BE A PRIMARY RULE. IT WAS RELAXED BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE WASN'T A PROBLEM. SO KINDLY LEAVE THE THREAD, SHUT YOUR MOUTH/TEXT OR OFFER A SOLUTION THAT FIXES THE SPAM AND DETRIMENTAL COMMENTS TO THE SECTION AND CARDMAKING AS A WHOLE!!!!!!!! MUST I DRAW YOU A PICTURE!?!!???!!?

[Master White]

Well, ok. But what you should be really worried about is people card spamming, which I have seen done. What I mean by that is that they make a card, post it, get bad, and post it again with a slight different name and efffect, without it being fixed. I'm sure you have seen that. Yes Xander Royce, i know what he was talking about, but I hated this rule from the start, you see. And so now, after all this, you chose option B as I knew you were going to do so all along. Help us all.

 

I will leave this thread, only because you asked.

[Guest JoshIcy]

No... Option A seems nicer to me, because it leaves an automatic 3hr Post Watch. But Option B is more humane, albeit stricter than the current ruleset is.

[Master White]

But you just said you were going to go with option B, so why go for the harsher one if you like option A? Are you serious? If you really want me to give input, look below.

 

Also, this is serious, and not harsh.

 

[spoiler=Option C]

Make it so whoever voids the rules with the loop hole get a pm saying what they did wrong at first. If they do it again, give a 10% warning. If they follow after that, give an increase in the warning by 10 and keep it going until it hits 100% then if they continue, then ban them. But also, give them a second and third chance, because I belive everyone has a chance.

 

 

 

OR

 

[spoiler=Option D]

Make it so no one gets a warning or banishment and that the two rules are deleted, because if their is no rules, their is no loop hole. These two rules are kind of childish to me, if you would think about for a few.

 

 

I prefer any of the two I pointed out than the other two. I preferably like option D but you may like option C. So i gave suggestions, so it isn't spam.

[Guest JoshIcy]

Childish how? We're trying to promote balance, understanding, and creativity. Comments on strictly OCG become spam and detrimental to this ideal. Resulting in less spam and more heartfelt comments to the section as a whole. How is that not good?

 

Option C: Impossible, default is +20% Warning. Mod CP has it labeled as Mild Spam.

Option D: I'm sorry, what?

 

As for Option A, it would result in less warnings and more focusing on the ideals. Due to the post watch they don't have a choice. Read the rules, care for the card and the creator or risk getting banned.

 

Ooh and nice hypocritical actions btw. You said you'd leave the thread. Yet you posted again xD

[Master White]

I care for both, the card or the creator, which is why i think these two rules need to go, option D. I seen the rules of what you are talking about, and I got your option b and a mixed up. I really don't like A and if I had to, I would go with b. But all your saying is that people that fix the ocg gets punished, what about the person that posts the bare minimum on the card? are they going to get punished and get the same treatment or are you just going to leave them alone and let them have their free post?

 

Yea, I'm sorry, but I have a contract to do something here, sorry. I forgot about that.

[Guest JoshIcy]

... Bad english is bad.

 

I want to punish those who comment on just the language in a card, and the bare minimum about the card itself. As Ive seen so many times. However if the bulk of the post is about the card itself rather than the language a post is fine.

[Master White]

Oh, now I see, you are just saying you want to punish those who comment on the card about how horrible of grammar is instead of the OCG, now I see. I would now there fore understand, but still, like you said is, "Bad english is bad". So punish those that tell them their card has an horrible grammar problem then the person that posted it anyway? Well, its swell and all, but why not just leave it alone and just implement a rule that you origianlly had that mysterioulsy disappeared? Oh, calling my english bad? I have had english for four years and I could use better english, it's called shakespeare, if thats what you want.

[Morgan LeFlay]

So would something like this be okay?

 

Its ATK is overpowered, also the OCG is off, try this:

 

When this card is Normal Summoned, you can discard 1 card to destroy 1 card on the field.

[Guest JoshIcy]

So would something like this be okay?

 

Its ATK is overpowered' date=' also the OCG is off, try this:

 

When this card is Normal Summoned, you can discard 1 card to destroy 1 card on the field.[/quote']

 

No because thats a dodge too.

[Alzeid]

So would something like this be okay?

 

Its ATK is overpowered' date=' also the OCG is off, try this:

 

When this card is Normal Summoned, you can discard 1 card to destroy 1 card on the field.[/quote']

 

No because thats a dodge too.

 

So then the rule would basically go along the lines of "To comment, provide thoughts/analysis on the effect/use of the card; do not simply comment on the OCG. Failure to do so will result in ..."

 

If that's the case, I'm all for it. (Effect > Wording imo)

[Guest JoshIcy]

Yeah... But there's a loophole in the whole "Minimum Amount needed" thing.