Why is this banned?

[Coaster Guy]

Makyura the destructor.

Good card, but WTF is this banned?

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Makyura_the_Destructor

[-Griffin]

Because Konami doesn't like people winning on turn 1 for some reason =/

Silly Konami

[.dek]

FTKs mostly. WTF do you not know why it is banned?

[evilfusion]

Because for an entire turn, you can play traps from your hand. This easily can lead to FTKs, like with Exodia, you can use Jar of Greed, Reckless Greed, all other draw traps, plus the spell draw power. Even if it dies on your opponent's turn, you can activate traps from your hand, which can be overwhelmingly unfair because there's next to nothing that can be done.

[juice`]

Because this game is really fun when you get to lose before you've even done anything.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

When an FTK cannot be stopped, then it deserves to be banned. OTKs are fair if it is regularly possible to counter, if not, LeBan! (or limit/semi-limit to reduce consistency, or just release something to counter it).

[juice`]

or just release something to counter it

 

Did you seriously just say that?

 

Vulnerability to countermeasures does not make broken cards less broken.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

or just release something to counter it

 

Did you seriously just say that?

 

Vulnerability to countermeasures does not make broken cards less broken.

I meant good side-tech' date=' to reduce their consistency (reduction of consistency means less likely to OTK/win than before, therefore less [i']broken[/i]).

[Shinzuku]

Cause' Quickdraw has sex with this cards effect :D

[TechnoDoomedOne]

Cause' Quickdraw has sex with this cards effect :D

 

You just made my day funnier.

[byak]

Must be trolling.

[Hymn]

Because this game is really fun when you get to lose before you've even done anything.

 

No it's not.

[SmallieBigs]

Because this game is really fun when you get to lose before you've even done anything.

 

No it's not.

Not good with sarcasm I see.

[.dek]

Ever heard of sarcasm, Hymn?

Dumbass.

[Toffee.]

or just release something to counter it

 

Did you seriously just say that?

 

Vulnerability to countermeasures does not make broken cards less broken.

I meant good side-tech' date=' to reduce their consistency (reduction of consistency means less likely to OTK/win than before, therefore less [i']broken[/i]).

 

Tournaments have the gimmic of "trial and error" on there side. But an overkilling card is still pretty overkilling, regardless of the opponent being able to side agenst it or not.

[TheTurtleOnceCalledGod]

or just release something to counter it

 

Did you seriously just say that?

 

Vulnerability to countermeasures does not make broken cards less broken.

I meant good side-tech' date=' to reduce their consistency (reduction of consistency means less likely to OTK/win than before, therefore less [i']broken[/i]).

 

Tournaments have the gimmic of "trial and error" on there side. But an overkilling card is still pretty overkilling, regardless of the opponent being able to side agenst it or not.

 

If only we had a program, like with chess, to check all possible combos with all cards, based on all known rulings, and then calculate what to counter what, what unknown holy pile of random batman deck that happens to be more consistent that anything anyone thought of so far, or what card that is collecting dust in our tins that happens to destroy broken combos.

(wishes I was good at programming)

 

Trial and error can only get so far by the time someone comes up with something else, thus the ever evolving meta. This format is great because of its variety, and thankfully it isn't absolutely broken like makyura which does not give your opponent a turn.

[Sephiroth_The_Legend]

its an FTK thing.

it sets up all kinds of FTK's. thats why its banned.

[Toffee.]

what unknown holy pile of random batman deck that happens to be more consistent that anything anyone thought of so far

^Effectivly this was Wc08's Wifi for me' date=' in a nutshell^

 

I actually loaded a deck with horribly broken cards, and even fitted it to the generic D-Hero theme of that game. It would completly defeat [i']EVERYTHING[/i].

 

I go on Wi-fi, and my opening hand would consist of: Lightning Vortex, Call of the Haunted, D-Hero Plasma x3, and then I would draw into something random like Ojama Trio.

 

My opponents would always open with Flame Wingman and 2 face-down Shadow Spells, while keeping a Miracle Fusion in there hand. Never failed.

[Great Unclean One: VK]

Makyura the destructor.

Good card' date=' but WTF is this banned?

 

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Makyura_the_Destructor

[/quote']

 

FTKs nuff said.

 

You know, you should REALLY THINK about these cards.

[Hymn]

Because this game is really fun when you get to lose before you've even done anything.

 

No it's not.

Not good with sarcasm I see.

 

Nah man I'm horrible with it =/

 

Ever heard of sarcasm' date=' Hymn?

Dumbass.

[/quote']

 

lolnegged.

[seattleite]

An FTK involving Dark Scorpion - Chick The Yellow, Call of the Haunted and This card.

[Tronta]

actually, counterability DOES indirectly factor into balance, in a grander sense. at least in terms of balance.

 

consider sheet like the chariot loop. easily a broken fuckup on konamis part, but they see no reason to fix it. why? because gbs are so easy to side against.

 

gbs are easy to side against; therefore gbs wont win tournies; therefore less players, specifically less good players, will run them; therefore they will be less of a threat in tournies; therefore theyll win even less; therefore they wont need to be fixed.

 

in a weird way, counterability can form balance.

[.Nu-13]

There are too many FTK invloving it. If konami unbans it... *cries* Exodia will be metagame and rock-paper-scisors at start of the game wil decide of who wins

[Kyosuke Kiryu]

Wasn't there a format where this was at 3?

[DARKPLANT RISING]

We don't want another yugiohoverlord. He was good at making us laugh, but you don't make us do so.

 

Since you're new on the game, this is what I say: learn about OTK and FTK.