lol. People wants America to NOT have Religous freedoms.

[Icy]

I wouldn't say slavery oppresses anyone; it just respects extreme bigotry.

 

Isn't this game fun?

 

I'm getting what you mean, but it's not like that at all. Sadly it all boils down to;

"People should just relax, and let the building be built there."

[The Borg]

Well as long as they allow the bar to be beside it, who cares!

[Catterjune]

What I am trying to convey is this. MAybe it is better for them to cave this one time, as it probbaly isn't worth it at this point.

And maybe Rosa Parks should have just let it go and made her way to the back of the bus. It probably wasn't worth it at that point.

[Nexev]

True but the Muslims aren't that oppressed yet.

 

It's less refusing to bow down to a history of hate and cruelty and more letting the kid have his candy so he can shut up.

[CrabHelmet]

True but the Muslims aren't that oppressed yet.

Eh, blacks in the south weren't all that oppressed either. They should have waited until slavery was reinstated to do anything.

 

It's less refusing to bow down to a history of hate and cruelty and more letting the kid have his candy so he can shut up.

No, I'm pretty sure it's refusing to bow down to a history of hate and cruelty.

[Catterjune]

True but the Muslims aren't that oppressed yet.

Any oppression is too much oppression TBQH.

[Nexev]

I guess, I coincide. The muslims should build the mosque.

 

Still, this is so needlessly controversial. >.>

 

It's probably going to inflate into even bigger proportions and just be really annoying later on.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

Is it just me? I personally believe it doesn't matter as long as Obama's not in the al-Queda.

[Tentacruel]

Funny, when people try to oppress religion in this fashion, people rant. When Richard Dawkins does it, people cheer.

[Dark]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288570102' post='4753579']
Funny, when people try to oppress religion in this fashion, people rant. When Richard Dawkins does it, people cheer.

[Dark]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288570102' post='4753579']
Funny, when people try to oppress religion in this fashion, people rant. When Richard Dawkins does it, people cheer.
[/quote]

I don't think you fully understand, so let me spell it out for you.

In this scenario, you have a bunch of Christian and... Catholic people preventing a group of Muslims from building a mosque. Essentially, this is religious discrimination, but moreso than that, there is actually a form of bullshit action being taken. At least atheists, in this case, are religiously tolerant and don't give a damn whether the mosque is built or not. In fact, it is a waste of my time to try to change someone's religion or prevent them from building a church (because feeble minds are not easily mendable, especially when brainwashed (this most obviously does not relate to religion (that most obviously was not sarcasm))). When Richard Dawkins speaks out against religion in books or lectures, he is exposing and educating people about the (truthful) shortcomings and general stupidity of religion.

There is a difference between preventing someone from building a mosque and being a general ass, and from educating people about what religion truly is and letting them decide for themselves what they want to do with their lives.

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288570102' post='4753579']
Funny, when people try to oppress religion in this fashion, people rant. When Richard Dawkins does it, people cheer.
[/quote]
Indeed! Both Dawkins and the Reactionary Right believe that Islam is false, so it doesn't matter that they reached this conclusion in completely different ways, have completely different goals, and act upon this belief in different manners - everyone who does not believe in Islam should be considered exactly the same with regard to this issue. It's sort of like how Mother Theresa and Adolf Hitler were pretty much the same in that neither was Jewish and both breathed oxygen.

But hey, if you want to claim that there's no difference between scientists saying that homeopathy doesn't work and Kira killing off everyone who believes in homeopathy, then go ahead; I'll say you're a bloody moron, but I won't stop you. Of course, as far as you're concerned, me saying you're a bloody moron is no different from me stopping you by bashing your skull in.

[Tentacruel]

I respect your opinions, but stop being so biased. You're right, it [i]is[/i] different. But tell me why it's OK for Atheists to discriminate against religion, but not OK for religious people to do the same.

[Dark]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288639224' post='4754916']
I respect your opinions, but stop being so biased. You're right, it [i]is[/i] different. But tell me why it's OK for Atheists to discriminate against religion, but not OK for religious people to do the same.
[/quote]

How are [i]we[/i] being biased [i]whatsoever[/i]? If you actually read Crab's or my post, you'd realize exactly what we are trying to say. Shall I put it into simpler words?:

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, no matter how stupid or retarded you may think it is.

Atheists have the opinion that extremists are retarded and should die in a fire, but that's where we stop. They [i]should[/i] die in a fire, but we personally won't throw them into fires. We just laugh at them for being extremists, nothing more.

Christians and... Catholics [extremists] have the opinion that Muslim people should not be able to build a mosque on legally-owned property. They [i]should[/i] not be able to, but Christians personally change and mend the government such that the mosque still hasn't been built yet. Oh, not to mention a bunch of Muslim people were stoned and discriminated against in other states for something that only pertained to New York.

Religious people, when they discriminate, take action, more often than not violent. Atheist people, when we discriminate, stop at education and knowledge through words. Never have you seen a true atheist actually try to kill some religious person or take any action, because frankly, we don't give a damn.

And going back to your example of Richard Dawkins, when has he ever done [i]anything [/i]against religious people? As I said, he stops at the education of religion, its shortcomings, and why it is generally a detriment to society. If you've ever actually read any of his books or listened to any of his lectures, he has never made any statement saying that he will personally kill any religious figure, nor has he ever said that religious people (all of them, at least) deserve to die.

Whereas these Christian extremists hold the opinion that the Muslim people trying to build the mosque [i]do[/i] deserve to die, and are [b]personally taking action to ensure their death[/b].

Now do you understand?

[CrabHelmet]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1288639224' post='4754916']
I respect your opinions, but stop being so biased. You're right, it [i]is[/i] different. But tell me why it's OK for Atheists to discriminate against religion, but not OK for religious people to do the same.
[/quote]
See how you're still able to post instead of being banned?

That's the difference.

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1288641438' post='4755033']
Whereas these Christian extremists hold the opinion that the Muslim people trying to build the mosque [i]do[/i] deserve to die, and are [b]personally taking action to ensure their death[/b].
[/quote]
Although I see what you mean now, I'm still not too sure about what's in bold. Death? Death seems a little far. Maybe a couple idiots that are totally out of their minds are devising some scheme, but taking [i]action[/i] to ensure [i]death[/i]? Not being able to build a mosque does not equate to death.

Now, don't get me wrong, they [u]should[/u] be able to build the mosque. There's really no reason they shouldn't be allowed to. And if people have actually manipulated the government to stop it, well, that's not right. But I think the majority of this falls short of attempted genocide.

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288641954' post='4755063']
See how you're still able to post instead of being banned? That's the difference.
[/quote]

Hehe... I think I see your point.

[Dark]

There have been multiple reports of Muslim people in states other than NY being stoned to almost death (which is a really primitive way to kill someone). So yes, ensuring death is the correct term.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288641954' post='4755063']
See how you're still able to post instead of being banned?[/quote]
Sort of like me. Lol.

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1288720946' post='4757154']
There have been multiple reports of Muslim people in states other than NY being stoned to almost death (which is a really primitive way to kill someone). So yes, ensuring death is the correct term.
[/quote]
Ouch, that's messed up. And stoning is not just primitive, it's extremely painful. Too bad the media hasn't covered it more.

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

The media is in the hands of the Illuminati, of course they won't report on that.

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='Vuvuzela of Triumph' timestamp='1288824251' post='4759858']
The media is in the hands of the Illuminati, of course they won't report on that.
[/quote]
The Illuminati being the group controlled by shapeshifting alien reptiles, correct?

Can we get a half-literate racist bigot in here so I can have some fun?

[~/Coolio Prime\~]

[quote name='Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1288831855' post='4760178']
The Illuminati being the group controlled by shapeshifting alien reptiles, correct?
[/quote]
New World Order Illuminati.

[CrabHelmet]

The shapeshifting alien reptiles have been infiltrated by the communists.

[Dr. Cakey]

[quote name='Crab Helmet' timestamp='1288896505' post='4761376']
The shapeshifting alien reptiles have been infiltrated by the communists.
[/quote]
Who have been infiltrated by the Jews.

[Lt. Colonel Remo]

[quote name='Nexev' timestamp='1284124201' post='4613460']

The only reason I can think of why they shouldn't have a mosque is that they won't put a temple in Mecca.

But this doesn't mean anything really, I just want a synagogue in mecca.
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[/quote]
i was reading the entire article and had the urge to fix this. technically, in Islam, any person wo believes in one god can build a synagogue or church, it's th Suadi gov't that is against it. America should lead the way in full justice. I myself am a moderate muslim so is slight biased but i [i]do[/i] know that the religon allows that much