Suicide.

[Nura]

Suicide. Let's see.
Basically Suicide is something that is commited, when a person's heart/mid etc. is enduced with a feeling of Horror,Grief,Pain, etc.

Normally, out of the above, it's grief though.

Most suicidal victims, are most likely upset over something,(Ex. A loved one is lost) or whatever.

Quite an interesting concept it is , though. Almost as intriguing as death, but seeing both are connected, I can see why.

I don't really know why exactly, someone would take away they're life just for the sake of peacefulness....

We probably won't understand until we're older, I'm old enough And I still don't get it......

It causes more pain than it ever solves

They obviously have atleast one person in this world that cares about them( you, when I say "They" I mean suicide Victims.)

Why end EVERYTHING?

I say that it's better you just get over it, there are other things you can do.

Ex, A close one dies, everyone grieves, than atleast you should be there for everyone else, Do you want them to grieve more?

And it would be just down-right selfish to think of yourself alone than noone else.

Atleast, that's my point of view on this subject.

Discuss Suicide. And if people have the right to commit it.

[JG.]

Their body, their choice. But I still find suicide stupid.

[Icy]

Jonas, sometimes it isn't just their choice. What about friends? Family? Loved ones? Pets? etc... Death hurts more than just the one who died.

[Tentacruel]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1285174488' post='4645876']
Jonas, sometimes it isn't just their choice. What about friends? Family? Loved ones? Pets? etc... Death hurts more than just the one who died.
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Slightly more justified motivations don't equal loss of choice. It just means... OH, so you're saying it's not justified? or...

[Doomboi]

Suicide should be done the right way. With a live grenade held in your hand. Not that stupid wrist-knife bullshit. Thats for nerds.

[Cin]

When you hit that rock bottom, no one else matters to you, you don't even matter to you. I've been there several times over the last several years.

[Legend Zero]

@TC: Stop typing a sentence then 2xspacing. @.@

OT: People who take their own life =/= Right state of mind. IMO, suicide is the result of a mental illness or abnormality.

[Βyakuya]

They feel as if their part of the world is useless and horrible that everyday it's terrible. So they commit it to get rd of it forever. Quite costly. I have been thinking about that in my childhood. D:

[Icy]

[quote name='ADHD-Guitar' timestamp='1285179391' post='4645945']
Slightly more justified motivations don't equal loss of choice. It just means... OH, so you're saying it's not justified? or...
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I'm saying it's NEVER justified.

@Above: Getting rid of it forever also gets rid of all the wonderful things your life will be filled with.

[Βyakuya]

[quote name='JoshIcy' timestamp='1285180844' post='4645977']
I'm saying it's NEVER justified.

@Above: Getting rid of it forever also gets rid of all the wonderful things your life will be filled with.
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Sadly they don't look to that often. Depression is serious shiz.

[Βyakuya]

@JoshIcy: Sadly they don't look to that often. Depression is serious shiz.

EDIT: >.< Stupid error...

[Cin]

^ Don't worry I did it as well. Go back and refresh might show up the post then.

When you suicidal nothing will ever be wonderful, Icy you're not in the right mindset.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Yin' timestamp='1285181143' post='4645988']
^ Don't worry I did it as well. Go back and refresh might show up the post then.

When you suicidal nothing will ever be wonderful, Icy you're not in the right mindset.
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There is no "right" mindset for being suicidal.

Also, it kinda pisses me off when others blame themselves because their friend killed thereself. Is it just me?

[MarbleZone]

Some people just don't have that "wonderful" in their lives, Josh. And even if they potentially might in a distant future, it's something left to chance and unforeseeable changes in circumstances. More often that not, those contemplating suicide cannot look that far ahead to see any worthwhile change.

From a strictly logical point of view, no, right now I cannot imagine myself remotely considering suicide, no matter how messed up my life is. But that only means my life has never been messed up enough.

[Bahamut - Envoy of the End]

I'm really probably shouldn't post this because I'll probably open a can of venomous worms and lose a lot of respect, but I will anyway .

I have been to the brink of the abyss and am only just coming back from it. The only thing that has kept me out of Hell is the fear of the place. No matter how bad my life got, I knew that it simply / logically couldn't be worse than what would await me if I killed myself. You never know there may have been no Hell and nothing to fear, but I couldn't bring myself to dare chance it.

If you're considering suicide then you've hit rock-bottom, at which point you feel you have no one loves / cares for you (whether that's the case or not). There is no hope or happiness, only despair, rage, or emptiness. Every moment consumed by such feeling can drive a person mad (I'm still not completely all-together but I'm a lot better now).

As for Gamma's opening statement saying 'Just get over it', I virtually slap you for being narrow-minded. You can't 'just get over it' sometimes. Once the idea of suicide gets into someone's head, it becomes all-consuming, sometimes it is the only solution people can see. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong to do, but I have been there and I understand and I don't condemn it. I don't encourage it either though.

Awful way to reach my 300th post but some of the comments in this thread have irriated me into posting. Abuse me all you like, I don't care. I can see this being locked soon anyway.

Regards,

Matt Bahamut

[Clair]

Suicide is a selfish act.

[Yankee]

[quote name='Clair' timestamp='1285192599' post='4646425']
Suicide is a selfish act.
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No, it's not. I'm not selfish for wanting to end the pain, and the pain and annoyance I cause to other people. Sure, they'll be hurt for a while after, but it'll balance out, and eventually be beneficial to them later if I'm not around. (I literally meaning me.)

[Clair]

[quote name='Yankee' timestamp='1285192743' post='4646429']
No, it's not. I'm not selfish for wanting to end the pain, and the pain and annoyance I cause to other people. Sure, they'll be hurt for a while after, but it'll balance out, and eventually be beneficial to them later if I'm not around. (I literally meaning me.)
[/quote]

Just my opinion, just my opinion.

I'm just saying that when one commits suicide, they are also killing the connections that other people had to them as well.

[Lonk]

Suicide=Self Murder. If a person commits suicide, that makes them no less different from those who murder other people. That is how I see suicide.

[Dark]

My body, I can do what I want to it. And if the government throws me in jail... have fun with a corpse in jail. The government cannot logically outlaw suicide (because if they do, the people who should be in jail would be, I don't know, [b]dead[/b]), so just let the topic be. People can suicide if they want, and no one should stop them.

Personally, I don't think suicide is as selfish as people make it out to be. That's just me, and it's fairly subjective in that regard.

Also, quick tidbit of information. My middle-school health teacher told us that if you've ever contemplated suicide, you are mental to some degree and should see a psychologist. Discuss how retarded he was.

[Legend Zero]

[quote name='Matt Bahamut' timestamp='1285192590' post='4646424']
Awful way to reach my 300th post but some of the comments in this thread have irriated me into posting. Abuse me all you like, I don't care. [b]I can see this being locked soon anyway.[/b]

Regards,

Matt Bahamut
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This is a valid discussion how can it be locked?

[quote name='Dark' timestamp='1285193420' post='4646455']
Also, quick tidbit of information. My middle-school health teacher told us that if you've ever contemplated suicide, you are mental to some degree and should see a psychologist. Discuss how retarded he was.
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Mental as in ill or retarded? Suicide is often caused by depression or other such things which are mental illnesses.

[chedbonlahor]

There are other motives for suicide than being at rock-bottom alone There have been successful people with loving famillies who commit suicide, the psychology has a profound depth with suicide.

[Dark]

[quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1285193613' post='4646466']
This is a valid discussion how can it be locked?


Mental as in ill or retarded? Suicide is often caused by depression or other such things which are mental illnesses.
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Mental as in ill. But that is applying to everyone, every [i]single person[/i] who has [i]contemplated[/i] suicide. Pretty much... 98% of our middle school.

In fact, surveys constantly show that a majority of the world has contemplated suicide, even if they know for a fact they'd never go through with it.

[CinnamonStar]

Well my opinion about suicide is simple, people have the right and choice to do it and I won't prevent them from doing it unless it's visibly because of a concrete event that I might be able to help with. I always told myself, if someone wants to jump out of the window I'll keep the window open.

But personally I won't say never but I'd probably not do it. Sure thinking about it is one thing, there are actually very sane, not depressed or mentally ill reasons to just stop that life and get out of here (even though these may also be triggered by some kind of event that caused this outlook so it's still hard to tell...). But I'm way too whimsical to even contemplate suicide, I get excited over little things, like Christmas and the yearly funfair, I'm happy that I have such good friends as my teddybears and always happy when I'm eating. So suicide is a rather weak way to me (when you actually do it, no just thinking about it) because these people don't look far enough and just mourn over the problems in the world instead of finding happiness in little things, in everyday life really.
But I find a lot of things stupid and I still think people have the right to do them.

[Larxene]

[quote name='Matt Bahamut' timestamp='1285192590' post='4646424']
I'm really probably shouldn't post this because I'll probably open a can of venomous worms and lose a lot of respect, but I will anyway .

I have been to the brink of the abyss and am only just coming back from it. The only thing that has kept me out of Hell is the fear of the place. No matter how bad my life got, I knew that it simply / logically couldn't be worse than what would await me if I killed myself. You never know there may have been no Hell and nothing to fear, but I couldn't bring myself to dare chance it.

If you're considering suicide then you've hit rock-bottom, at which point you feel you have no one loves / cares for you (whether that's the case or not). There is no hope or happiness, only despair, rage, or emptiness. Every moment consumed by such feeling can drive a person mad (I'm still not completely all-together but I'm a lot better now).

As for Gamma's opening statement saying 'Just get over it', I virtually slap you for being narrow-minded. You can't 'just get over it' sometimes. Once the idea of suicide gets into someone's head, it becomes all-consuming, sometimes it is the only solution people can see. I'm not saying that it's right or wrong to do, but I have been there and I understand and I don't condemn it. I don't encourage it either though.

Awful way to reach my 300th post but some of the comments in this thread have irriated me into posting. Abuse me all you like, I don't care. I can see this being locked soon anyway.

Regards,

Matt Bahamut
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Well err.

I was gonna post something, but you pretty much said exactly what I was going to say. Good for you I guess.