Just Crouton Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [url="http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Machina_Fortress"]http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Machina_Fortress[/url] The greatest card ever made. What tier is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 *Shoots the very cheap card* Hate it. The fact that you can discard it for its cost is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1285553918' post='4659923'] The fact that you can discard it for its cost is ludicrous. [/quote] Well it [i]can[/i] be revived from the Graveyard. So discarding it from your hand has the effect treated as though it was Special Summoned from the Graveyard, while itself has part of its cost. .......... Funny how Machinas became a broke archtype Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted September 27, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1285554833' post='4659957'] Well it [i]can[/i] be revived from the Graveyard. So discarding it from your hand has the effect treated as though it was Special Summoned from the Graveyard, while itself has part of its cost. .......... Funny how Machinas became a broke archtype [/quote] I guess the choices are to either ban cards that break current broken decks or break something else to balance the universe...were there any good lolMachine decks prior other than CyEndOTK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='~King Crouton~' timestamp='1285554977' post='4659968'] I guess the choices are to either ban cards that break current broken decks or break something else to balance the universe...were there any good lolMachine decks prior other than CyEndOTK? [/quote] Thing is, Machines were dead the moment Fortress Dragon came into existence. Machina Fortress was just an excuse to print a broke card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123hriwu3beofuf89383y Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Not bad. But its not Epic. Tier 52 maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Spider5667' timestamp='1285566450' post='4660272'] Tier 52 maybe. [/quote] Yeah, because there's a need for it and this card is supposedly bad. Anyhow, I hate this card. Too OP'ed for my liking. Of course, there are more OP'ed cards, but I just hate Machina Gadgets that let me do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Imagine Machinas with CoSR still @1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Too good for it's price. Buy 3 Machina Mayhems and instantly have a near-Tier 1 deck. It's broken and lethally fast. Would be even more lulzy if Machinas had a Level 1 Tuner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manjoume Thunder Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 It's not that bad. People are just overreacting because you can make a semi-decent machina deck for $30. If you really want to hate a card for a mehish t2 deck, hate Gearframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zauls Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 I hate this card. The only reason I can beat Machina Gadgets is because my Side Deck consists of 7 cards I can side in against them. It should never have been printed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Manjoume Thunder' timestamp='1285606622' post='4660893'] It's not that bad. People are just overreacting because you can make a semi-decent machina deck for $30. If you really want to hate a card for a mehish t2 deck, hate Gearframe. [/quote] I don't play the game IRL anymore, just the games and online... so I could care less. It's cost me games before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 It's balanced and it created a good new archetype. Konami deserves a cookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Ser Warjacksworth' timestamp='1285613928' post='4661282'] It's balanced and it created a good new archetype. Konami deserves a cookie. [/quote] Ruling: You can discard “Machina Fortress” itself as part of the cost to Special Summon it. You ARE seeing the same card, right? Basically, whenver you draw it, all you need is 1 other Machine monster and BAM! Oh, and Machinas are OLDER than Fortress. And they are not a "good... archetype" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080116035516/yugioh/images/7/78/PerfectMachineKingDR3-EN-UR-UE.png[/img] You mean we weren't discussing this? Seriously tho, it's a -1, just like any Synchro Summon/ Tribute Summon. Fortress created a fun budget deck that let people top regionals with lunch money. That's awesome. I meant Machina Gadgets. O U. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 *Sees money reference* Dear God, saying its price makes it rock is a flawed argument. Let's say you HAVE to buy cards in packs, and you cannot get singles, only by drawing them. Hypothetically, of course, would this card be as awesome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1285614490' post='4661297'] *Sees money reference* Dear God, saying its price makes it rock is a flawed argument. Let's say you HAVE to buy cards in packs, and you cannot get singles, only by drawing them. Hypothetically, of course, would this card be as awesome? [/quote] If this card was released as a secret in DREV or something, instead of being structure, it would still be a balanced card that does not break gameplay mechanics to the extent of previous cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 One Fortress is ok. More than one Fortress is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 For people stating whether or not the "value" of a card balances out it's effect, all I have to say to all of you is wow your dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 Watch me balance this "You can discard Machine-Type monster(s) whose total Levels equal 8 or more to Special Summon this card from your hand. When this card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, select and destroy 1 card your opponent controls." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1285619392' post='4661502'] Watch me balance this "You can discard Machine-Type monster(s) whose total Levels equal 8 or more to Special Summon this card from your hand. When this card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, select and destroy 1 card your opponent controls." [/quote] ... Nope, not balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1285619520' post='4661511'] ... Nope, not balanced. [/quote] You can't discard itself for its effect... it's a step in the right direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Tainted Black' timestamp='1285619520' post='4661511'] ... Nope, not balanced. [/quote] It's funny cause he thinks removing the targetting part fixes it. ITT: Card Value = Card Playability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1285619650' post='4661517'] You can't discard itself for its effect... it's a step in the right direction [/quote] OOPS! Sorry, I missed where you removed the "Or Graveyard". Yes, that is now more balanced. Still the targetting part was fine. @Canadain: Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted September 27, 2010 Report Share Posted September 27, 2010 [quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1285619392' post='4661502']"You can discard Machine-Type monster(s) whose total Levels equal 8 or more to Special Summon this card from your hand. When this card is destroyed by battle and sent to the Graveyard, select and destroy 1 card your opponent controls." [/quote] Don't nerf balanced cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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