Lonk Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Insects have some great support cards like [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Verdant_Sanctuary]This[/url], [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Lair_Wire]This[/url], [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Insect_Neglect]This[/url] and [url=http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Spyder_Spider]This[/url]. Insects work so well with Solidarity as well, so why couldn't they win? Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 The mentioned support isn't really that good. Insects are just too slow and don't really have the synergy to win. They can, however, make for some really good decks, like my Underground Arachnid control deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 My biggest problem with insects is how so often their own support seems to work contrary to their supposed win condition, along with just plain not setting up their own win condition. Insect Neglect, Lair Wire, Doom Dozer, and Aztekiped the Worm Warrior all work by RFG-ing insects. Verdant Garden works well when your own insects die. There exists no insects in the game that can up and kill themselves, or a quick way to send insects to the grave. Sure, you could mix in LS but at that point you might as well just run an LS deck and cut your losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Unclean One: VK Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Wait, what are their usual win conditions and isn't the Spider Archetype their closet thing to a Meta deck they can make? Also, from what I've seen, they REALLY need help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Thing is, Insects need a Remove From Play-Based boss monster, or at least something with decent ATK, that has the ability to appear on the field every 5 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catterjune Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 They don't need a boss monster. A boss monster is just a quick fix. What they need is better, more playable support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttercup Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 They have Doom Dozer. What they need is a Machine Dupe like card. Then they're Tier 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 they need a draw engine or something that can help them maintain advantage...... Verdant is good, but too slow...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.B X Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Insects are one of my most favorite types why? idk but... For example Demise, King of Armageddon. Use Gold S. to Remove Doom Dozer while you fill your grave with insects like Howling Insect and Gokipon then when you get Doom Dozer use Advanced Ritual Art to summon Demsie sending 2 Insect Knights to the graveyard in case you didn't have enough insects to summon Doom Dozer. Proceed to WIN Insects dont get the respect they used to get anymore, so sad :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth_The_Legend Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 ah that classic OTK only really worked when ARA was at 3.... it's a little slow at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 [quote name='PikaPerson01' timestamp='1286160383' post='4678054'] They don't need a boss monster. A boss monster is just a quick fix. What they need is better, more playable support. [/quote] Preferably cards that have to do with self-milling. As apparently Insects do better with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1286207195' post='4678703'] Preferably cards that have to do with self-milling. As apparently Insects do better with that. [/quote] Konami should print your Portal Bug series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 [quote name='Laevatein' timestamp='1286207290' post='4678707'] Konami should print your Portal Bug series [/quote] To be honest, I just wanted more Insects that were like Magical Merchant >____> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 But still, they were epic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Another possibility is to expand the Spider Archetype. All of the good Reptiliannes weren't even thought of in the anime, and we all know that it's easily possible to make decent support for an Archetype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 The problem is even with the Spiders getting non-anime support, the support just sucked. Lair Wire or whatever is a good destruction card, but generic destruction does it better. Doom Dozer and Aztekipede want insects to stay in the grave so they can remove them for their summons, not remove them to destroy a card. I'd say one of the best supports insects got was Infernity Beetle because it's a Dark Insect Tuner, which let me use Underground Arachnid with Solidarity. The biggest issue insects have is that they dont have much synergy with one another. Spiders dont have much ways of switching battle positions aside from Spider Web, which doesn't stall nearly as well as it should. I've tested a Spider based deck and while it's fun, it's slow and weak to swarming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted October 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 Insects are just divided over time. If only Konami did print cards that united insects.....hmmmmm (Storms ideas to make playing insects better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted October 5, 2010 Report Share Posted October 5, 2010 MOAR WIND ATTRIBUTE NINJAS!!!!!!! inb4Shinoaburame or at least an upgraded version of Insect Imitation would help a lot. And people dont forget Naturias they have insects too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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