Toffee. Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Oh how I love the artwork for this card. [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20101112153345/yugioh/images/thumb/7/7c/ScrapSharkSTOR-JP-C.jpg/300px-ScrapSharkSTOR-JP-C.jpg[/img] [quote]When a Spell Card, Trap Card, or Effect Monster's effect is activated, destroy this card. When this card is destroyed by the effect of a "Scrap" card and sent to the Graveyard, you can select 1 "Scrap" monster in your Deck and send it to the Graveyard.[/quote][/center] I find it interesting how you could Scrapstorm this, and end up sending 2 Scrap monsters from your deck to your Graveyard. Discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 ...This card is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birkeland Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 So if an effect is activated, this guys freaks out, jumps into your Deck, grabs another Scrap, and explodes? Awesome. Maybe he could be used to set up some Golem abuse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fader Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 He's like, "I must go NOMNOM! Holy Sh** an effect! Hide me! *hides behind another scrap* So much excitement! *explodes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Fish are friends. Not food? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1294437096' post='4918237'] I find it interesting how you could Scrapstorm this, and end up sending 2 Scrap monsters from your deck to your Graveyard. Discuss [/quote] "When a Spell Card, Trap Card, or Effect Monster's effect is activated, destroy this card." is a rather strange trigger/timing. Does this mean it would chain to the activation of a Spell/Trap/Effect Monster card (making it a Quick Effect), or will it destroy itself once the activation is deemed successful, but before that card resolves (making it a Continuous Effect and non-chainable), or would Scrap Shark activate after the activation and effect resolves? (making that a Trigger Effect?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 HOLY s***, IT'S CLANKER FROM BANJO-KAZOOIE On-Topic: A walking beatstick foolish burial is pretty cool. Pro with Machine Emperors since he blows himself up as soon as anything is activated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTurtleOnceCalledGod Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Le Pierrot, that is really something I wanted to say... minus the explicative. I fear how hard it would be for me to beat Arm's when grannel comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1294444582' post='4918614'] Either Scrapstorm is going to destroy it, or Scrap Shark will destroy itself... either way, I guess you'll still end up sending 2 Scrap Monsters altogether. [/quote] Because Scrapstorm just has to [i]target[/i] the Scrap monster, then the other effects go off. Scrapstorm doesnt happen all at once, thats why this is hilarious with Scrap shark. [quote name='TheTurtleOnceCalledGod' timestamp='1294448275' post='4918752'] I fear how hard it would be for me to beat Arm's when grannel comes out.[/quote] To be honest, I'm not actually sure how I would work Grannel into the deck. Same with Shark. I mean as it is my deck is already pretty tight with space >__> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1294449801' post='4918806'] Because Scrapstorm just has to [i]target[/i] the Scrap monster, then the other effects go off. Scrapstorm doesnt happen all at once, thats why this is hilarious with Scrap shark. [/quote] I understand that much o.x I was just wondering if Scrapstorm ends up destroying itself by its own effect, or by the effects of Scrapstorm. Like i said, the Trigger itself is rather odd and based on how its ruled, it can be either a Quick, Trigger, or Continuous Effect. I might be missing the hilarity of it all though, as its not like you're getting any additional bonus out of it. I mean, it destroying itself is still being destroyed by the effects of a "Scrap" card, so it wouldn't matter which destroys it. I mean, would I really want to waste my Scrapstorm destroying this when its going to destroy itself anyway? After playing a Scrap deck for the first time, I guess it'll depend on what I already have on the field. If i have another Scrap on the field I'd get the benefit of destroying, it'll be worth destroying that and letting this destroy itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1294451057' post='4918866'] I understand that much o.x I was just wondering if Scrapstorm ends up destroying itself by its own effect, or by the effects of Scrapstorm. Like i said, the Trigger itself is rather odd and based on how its ruled, it can be either a Quick, Trigger, or Continuous Effect. [/quote] Actually, it doesnt matter how Shark's effect is worded, because even if you activate Storm on a Scrap monster, that monster could then be destroyed/flipped face-down and the rest of Storm's effect still goes off. Though it would be interesting if Shark was a quick-effect. Meaning you could attacka BW or LIGHT monster or something, and bait them into using Kalut/Honest early. (Because I'm for some reason thinking Shark happens first, and then Honest does nothing because there is nothing for it to compare itself to) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1294451356' post='4918886'] Actually, it doesnt matter how Shark's effect is worded, because even if you activate Storm on a Scrap monster, that monster could then be destroyed/flipped face-down and the rest of Storm's effect still goes off. Though it would be interesting if Shark was a quick-effect. Meaning you could attacka BW or LIGHT monster or something, and bait them into using Kalut/Honest early. (Because I'm for some reason thinking Shark happens first, and then Honest does nothing because there is nothing for it to compare itself to) [/quote] I never said anything to imply that Scrapstorm wouldn't work o.x; This is just my curiosity on Scrap Shark since the trigger has such an odd timing. "When a card effect is activated" can mean "when someone activates a card" (such as with Doomcaliber Knight's Quick Effect) or "when a card has successfully activated" (similar to how Machina Fortress works when it is targeted by an effect, which is a Continuous Effect, which works when the card that targeted Machina Fortress begins to resolve), or "after the card has successfully resolved" (such as when Spirit Reaper is targeted, which is a Trigger Effect). Technically "When a card is targeted" and "When a card activates" would happen together, since when you activate cards that target, targets are chosen at that time, which is why I group these together to have the same timing. So that's why I'm wondering how Scrap Shark actually works in that situation. Assuming the card wasn't Scrapstorm, when would Scrap Shark destroy itself with its effect?: Would it chain to it, would it destroy itself when the activation is successful and the card begins to resolve, or after the activated card resolves? Since Scrap Shark is optional, two of the three ways listed here would miss Scrap Shark's timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 WHATISTHISIDONTEVEN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlewolf Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 So if you played scrapstorm on it would it blow it's self up before scrapstorm resolved? If so that would mean scrapstorm has no target right. (assuming shark is the only scrap on your field). What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='littlewolf' timestamp='1294467634' post='4919464'] So if you played scrapstorm on it would it blow it's self up before scrapstorm resolved? If so that would mean scrapstorm has no target right. (assuming shark is the only scrap on your field). What do you guys think? [/quote] 1) I can not determine when Scrap Shark would destroy itself. 2) Scrapstorm only needs a target. Even if the target is gone before Scrapstorm resolves, it'll still resolve successfully as "destroying the target" is the last effect on the card. The effects before that are successfully performed, and "destroy the target" fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted January 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='darkwolf777' timestamp='1294468499' post='4919484'] Scrapstorm only needs a target. Even if the target is gone before Scrapstorm resolves, it'll still resolve successfully as "destroying the target" is the last effect on the card. The effects before that are successfully performed, and "destroy the target" fails. [/quote] Storm uses the same logic as Darkworld Lightning. The actual "cost" to the effect is the last thing that happens. Its so there is no "LOL U MISD TEH TIMING!!11" and what-not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkwolf777 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 I guess the only option that makes any sense would be that Scrap Shark's self-destruction effect would activate after the card effect that activated successfully resolves. That way it wouldn't miss the timing. If it turns out that it is a Quick or Continuous effect, it quite possibly will miss the timing. But enough of that, I've said that enough already x.o; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mehmani Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Scraps are still Tier 2 at best, and they won't get any better until they release more brokenness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aesirson Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [spoiler=Am I he only one who sees the resemblance?][img]http://ocobiega.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/rageguytwarz.png[/img][/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 It's funny how it doubles your Scrapstorm. I might tech 1 for testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 [quote name='Ba'al' timestamp='1294487225' post='4919767'] [spoiler=Am I he only one who sees the resemblance?][img]http://ocobiega.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/rageguytwarz.png[/img][/spoiler] [/quote] My god Its exactly... the same D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ＴＨＥ ＧＯＤ ＯＦ ＯＢＥＬＩＳＫ Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Scraps are still bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Maybe a couple in Fish decks? If I summon it without Coelacanth, then the most probable thing is that it will activate it's effect, sending another shark to the graveyard for my Pot of Avarice. That would be good if Fish had more space in the deck... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bringerofcake Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 It seems really good with Oil Zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BDKMRV Posted January 8, 2011 Report Share Posted January 8, 2011 Hmmmm.....I don't like the card art, but the effect makes it look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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