burnpsy Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 I dunno, but I know that more people seem to be going for D-Prison. I think I should have more GK hate in my Side Deck. Back when Legend Zero tested, that was the main threat. Switched a Scarecrow for a 3rd Puppet Plant. This deck seriously loses badly to Necrovalley unless I get AFD in there immediately. Royal Tribute also hurts with 23 monsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted April 13, 2011 Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Why isn't Morphing Jar necessary? Is it because of Hyper Librarian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2011 Librarian pretty much gave me a darw engine, yeah. There's also the fact that I'm usually using my Normal Summon for other stuff, and that my opponents spend their entire hand a lot. I kept drawing it, but I didn't play it at all. :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dad Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Needs room for second Formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 [quote name='Revenant Black' timestamp='1302749280' post='5136801'] Needs room for second Formula. [/quote] Tried to do that already. Failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Need to replace the RftDD in the main with something more consistent. While Birdmand and Remoten RFP stuff, it's usually pure coincidence if there's a combo RFP'd. Suggestions for the slot? Mind Control? Move Book to Main? 3rd Birdman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I'd say you should move Book to main. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 I want to see Mind Control and Book tbh. Mind Control more just because you haven't tested it yet and it seems like it'll be pretty good. With 8 Tuners, Mind Control will be really good, especially with all of the searching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 @RBoD: I run [b]9[/b] Tuners. In any case, I tried both. both test good. :S Going with Mind Control for now. Should I use No. 34 Electronic Computer-Beast Tera Byte? I can summon it with triple Remoten, among other, more dfficult plays. Gottoms has been brought out a lot by Formula + Fortress lately, though. It just looks like something useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 It would be best to just test it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 [b]First test hand:[/b] Set Boarden, let 'em kill it. Celfon into Scopen. Bounce Celfon for Birdman. Junk Box Boarden. Remaining cards in hand: Celfon, Junk Box, Lighton, Limiter Removal. :S [b]Fourth test hand:[/b] Set Scopen and let 'em kill it. Dump Remoten and Fortress for Fortress. Junk Box, who removes Scopen to add Scopen to my hand. Normal summon Scopen, bounce Fortress for Birdman. Remaining cards in hand: Map, Limiter Removal. :S :S Err... I assume that's a confirmation on running it? Over Gottoms, I guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Seems like that. Really, getting out 3 Level 3s here is far easier than requirements for Gottoms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 [quote name='.Kowalski' timestamp='1302793015' post='5137562'] Seems like that. Really, getting out 3 Level 3s here is far easier than requirements for Gottoms [/quote] But 3 level 3s [i]are[/i] the requirements for Gottoms. Gottoms gets summoned either with Dupe + Remoten or with Formula + Fortress. This change makes Formula + Fortress a dead play, but whatever. I get the requirements for Tera Byte too easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1302793373' post='5137571'] But 3 level 3s [i]are[/i] the requirements for Gottoms. [/quote] But only Remotens or Boarden. Tera Byte can also use Birdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 [quote name='.Kowalski' timestamp='1302793481' post='5137572'] But only Remotens or Boarden. Tera Byte can also use Birdman [/quote] 1 Birdman and/or Scopen is allowed for Gottoms. The Tuner doesn't have an attribute requirement. Oh, and Gaia Knight + Tuner also makes Gottoms, but whatever. I'll add Tera Byte now. Exceeds don't get summon chants, do they? :/ I'm adding one anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Exceeds... no so far. It doesn't stop you from making one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 Since I just squeezed an Exceed in anyways, should I try to put Mainspring Armored Zenmeister in here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Michael Geren Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 You can also get out Gottoms with Scrap Dragon + Lighton. Or Burei + Formula. Also, test it with extra synchros and keep track of which ones you use and how often you use them. Like just eliminate the extra on YVD and use tokens and decide from every synchro in the game which you want to use and then keep a tally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Trying RBoD's idea got these results: [spoiler=Results] Monster - Amount of times summoned XX-Saber Gottoms #1 - 11 Stardust Dragon #1 - 10 Ancient Fairy Dragon #1 - 9 No. 34 Electronic Computer-Beast Tera Byte #1 - 9 Red Dragon Archfiend #1 - 9 Colossal Fighter #1 - 8 Formula Synchron #1 - 8 Scrap Dragon #1 - 8 T.G. Hyper Librarian #1 - 8 Thought Ruler Archfiend #1 - 8 Armory Arm #1 - 6 Karakuri Shogun mdl 00 "Burei" #1 - 6 T.G. Hyper Librarian #2 - 6 Ancient Sacred Wyvern #1 - 5 Genex Ally Triforce #1 - 5 Arcanite Magician #1 - 4 Gaia Knight, the Force of Earth #1 - 3 Shooting Quasar Dragon #1 - 3 Black Rose Dragon #1 - 2 Formula Synchron #2 - 2 Shooting Star Dragon #1 - 2 Ally of Justice Catastor #1 - 1 Armory Arm #2 - 1 No. 17 Revise Dragon #1 - 1 Red Nova Dragon - 1 T.G. Blade Blaster #1 - 1 T.G. Halberd Cannon #1 - 1 T.G. Hyper Librarian #3 - 1 [/spoiler] But just grabbing the top 15 here would be stupid. Just being able to summon it easily doesn't make it better than something lower on the list. For example, Quasar/Shooting Star/SSD >>>> Triforce. Plus, most of that is turn 1 solitaire. Thoughts on any possible changes to the Extra Deck based on this? IMO, I should leave it be, except for maybe squeezing Gottoms in. Anyone see space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 BUMP As I said I want space for Gottoms, due to all of the miscellaneous methods I use to summon it. No big deal if I can't though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Konami should increase Extra Deck size to 20. [s]Drop 1 Librarian?[/s] Forgot that you play Quasar. Dunno actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 If you didn't use Catastor that much, you should drop it imo. Librarian is too good as a Lv.5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 @wii: Try reading the actual Extra Deck before suggesting the removal of something that isn't there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted April 15, 2011 Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Maybe drop the Red Nova stuff? It's really good only in a deck that easily gets it out in one turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted April 15, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2011 Scopen -> LV4 -> AFD Play Map, destroy it to revive Scopen, skip Battle Phase to SS Lighton, Dupe Lighton (or revive it later with Junk Box/Reborn) go for RDA, go for Red Nova Celfon -> Dupe Celfon gets Scopen, which pulls out a LV4, go for RDA Celfon/One for One pulls out Lighton,then use a revival spell to bring Scopen back or bounce a Celfon for Birdman go for Red Nova Celfon -> Scopen -> LV4 -> RDA One for One into Lighton, revival spell on Scopen go for Red Nova [s]Start with RDA equipped with Armory Arm (hilariously common, due to moves tending to end with Celfon + Remoten + RDA without Lighton there) Summon Lighton (which Remoten obviously searched last turn), unequip Armory and bounce it for Birdman (or just revive Remoten and do the search if it wasn't done already) go for Red Nova[/s] And don't get me started on when the field starts the turn with the also common double Librarian. :S The problem with it is that half of the ways to summon it can be tweaked to get Quasar. Still merits its slot. Well, whatevs. I'm using the whole Extra Deck effectively. I'll just leave it be. EDIT: Tera Byte's getting played around too much. :/ EDIT2: Switched that for Gottoms. EDIT3: Gave Gottoms a new chant. EDIT4: Gave Halberd Cannon a chant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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