Lonk Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 I have noticed that almost every single DT 1st Gen archtype has received support outside of the DT/Hidden Arsenal series. 1. We all know X-Sabers received a ridiculous amount of ridiculous support in 3 different packs 2. Flamvells got a few monsters and Rekindling 3. Allies of Justice received support in TSHD, STBL and from the Limited Edition Pack 4. Ice Barriers received some good support in THSD and STBL 5. Mist Valleys recently got Mist Valley Divine Wind 6. Worms got some support in TSHD and EXVC 7. Naturias got a ridiculous amount of support in DREV 8. Fableds got Raven from Limited Edition Pack and was an OCG exclusive from DREV 9. Genex received some support from TSHD 10. Dragunities got their own Structure Deck At most, Jurracs only have Rekindling which can only be used with Aeolo and possibly Gurensaurus. Outside of that, they received no direct outside support whatsoever. With the 5d's era coming to an ending, I doubt they will get much support because of serrated focus between the 2nd Gen DT archtypes and Exceeds with other categories that Zexal will eventually introduce. I just only wonder how Konami could give direct outside support to every other 1st Gen DT archtype but Jurracs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 You're complaining about Archetype support? This has already been done... And it's been agreed upon that Jurracs don't need more support. Dinosaurs need better support, and better monsters in general. As do a lot of other Types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Fableds have not extra support...all fablad cards were released in Duel Terminals...but have no Spell or card of their own... Tought is true...Jurracks are awesome and they need some love too... >_< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted March 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1299892389' post='5067435'] You're complaining about Archetype support? This has already been done... And it's been agreed upon that Jurracs don't need more support. Dinosaurs need better support, and better monsters in general. As do a lot of other Types. [/quote] I'm not complaining that the archtype needs support. What I am complaining about is that Konami is showing a biased approach to every other Gen 1 DT archtype and how Jurracs were cheated out of essential support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 They have a level 6 ROTA and they can use Rekindling. [img]http://i.imgur.com/LbtBh.gif[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Thor el Señor de los Aesir' timestamp='1299895961' post='5067528'] They have a level 6 ROTA and they can use Rekindling. [/quote] How many Jurracs has 200 DEF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Aeolo, but Aeolo is essentially any level 4 or lower Jurrac in your grave, so I guess any level 4 or lower Jurrac is a rekindling target (provided you get Aeolo to grave) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Thor el Señor de los Aesir' timestamp='1299896303' post='5067542'] Aeolo, but Aeolo is essentially any level 4 or lower Jurrac in your grave, so I guess any level 4 or lower Jurrac is a rekindling target (provided you get Aeolo to grave) [/quote] mmm make sence... Still your rekindling will get MAX 3 monsters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 You can always run Firedog I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='ZeroChill' timestamp='1299892276' post='5067432'] 9. Genex received some support from TSHD[/quote] Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Genex Neutron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zkaiser Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='Thor el Señor de los Aesir' timestamp='1299900754' post='5067685'] Genex Neutron [/quote] Nope. [center][img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080923033860/yugioh/images/e/ee/GenexNeutronLE13-JP-DUPR-DT.jpg[/img][/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Archfiends are a more serious matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='ZeroChill' timestamp='1299892276' post='5067432'] 3. Allies of Justice received support in TSHD, [b]STBL[/b] and from the Limited Edition Pack [/quote] i have to disagree with the bolded, why? because the support AOJ received in STBL weren't new, they were in Japan's DT02 and US's DT01, but who cares about that. and i agree that the Jurracs should've received more support, not counting Dinosaur support they have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Jurracs are better than loads of the others. They really shouldn't be a priority to support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1299925920' post='5068176'] Jurracs are better than loads of the others. They really shouldn't be a priority to support. [/quote] But come on! They deserve at least 1 single Spell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 The Dino-RotA is enough, considering it's pretty much only for Jurracs, since there's only 1 other semi-playable Dino I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 There are only 3 decent Dino-support cards I can think of. Fossil Dig, Tail Swipe, and Big Evolution Pill. The latter 2 are situationally and deck-specific useful as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Fossil Dig is more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 If that were true, then Dinosaurs would be top tier. They're far from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 2 misconceptions: 1) An archtype should keep getting support until it's T1 : - No. Sometimes it's the T1 that needs to come down a notch. Quite frankly, Jurracs are fine at their Tier 2/3ish spot. 2) How good a Deck is comes 100% from its support. : - No. The monsters matter too, which is why Jurracs > Generic Dinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1299940339' post='5068394'] The Dino-RotA is enough, considering it's pretty much only for Jurracs, since there's only 1 other semi-playable Dino I can think of. [/quote] IDK...as stated before if that would suffice Jurracs would be doing better than they currently are...also... It is not Jurracs fault that they are the only decent Dino monsters as dinosaur is an undersupported and non present monster Type...reason why having a Better Rota than warrior still doesn't get much of an impact for them. Spell/Trap Support that cover their weaknesses...(These being the fact that monst of their effect require going throught Battle Phase)...would really be helpful...(It doesn't have to be a Broken card...1 playable yet balanced Spell or Trap that helps them get through at least 1 Battle Phase without fear would be more than enough) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 [quote name='-Griffin' timestamp='1299943727' post='5068485'] 2 misconceptions: 1) An [b]archtype[/b] should keep getting support[b] until it's T1[/b] : - No. Sometimes it's the T1 that needs to come down a notch. Quite frankly, Jurracs are fine at their Tier 2/3ish spot. 2) [b]How good a Deck is comes 100% from its support[/b]. : - No. The monsters matter too, which is why Jurracs > Generic Dinos. [/quote] If you're gearing this toward me, these don't apply. I am talking about giving the TYPE support cards and not saying they should be Tier 1. You said that "Fossil Dig is more than enough". If that statement were true, then they would be tier 1. But it's not "more than enough". I also said that Dinosaurs needed better monsters in general. And I don't think they should all come from an Archetype. Konami got the idea in their heads that certain Types should be beatsticks. However, that doesn't work in YGO... Beatsticks are terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Griffin Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Types don't need support. Having a type with no support is valid. Also, this topic is about Jurracs, so I'm talking about Jurracs, not about Dino.dek, which is a different topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 12, 2011 Report Share Posted March 12, 2011 Jurracs are pretty much the only viable Dinosaurs other than a few exceptions like Superancient Dinobeast and Hyper Hammerhead. And it's unfair for a bunch of Types to have powerful and plentiful support while others suffer. Jurracs are a nice Archetype, and I do like them, but they aren't the only thing that deserves support. Creating Archetypes is just an excuse to make a powerful deck type without lending support to older cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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