Kyakan Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100822035103/yugioh/images/thumb/d/d8/MonsterRebornDPYG-EN-R-1E.jpg/300px-MonsterRebornDPYG-EN-R-1E.jpg[/img] Discuss the almighty staple of should-be-banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 They need to make a not completely useless alternative already so they can ban this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='slayer_supreme' timestamp='1300723953' post='5087392'] They need to make a not completely useless alternative already so they can ban this. [/quote] Call of the Haunted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Both this and CotH are unbanned. Has the game [i]really[/i] suffered because of it? It's just revival. Sure, you can do some pretty wacky stuff with revival, but how often do you lose because of Reborn nowadays? Usually, my losses are for other reasons entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='Expelsword' timestamp='1300724005' post='5087394'] Call of the Haunted [/quote] Not even close to what I meant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Jonathan Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1300724101' post='5087397'] Both this and CotH are unbanned. Has the game [i]really[/i] suffered because of it? It's just revival. Sure, you can do some pretty wacky stuff with revival, but how often do you lose because of Reborn nowadays? Usually, my losses are for other reasons entirely. [/quote] "I'm going to reborn your Shi En and use it against you" ¬_¬ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 The only reason this is broken is because it pulls from either Grave, but the only time that becomes a big problem is in duels where both players are using the same Decks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='Flamingo Yeti' timestamp='1300724540' post='5087412'] "I'm going to reborn your Shi En and use it against you" ¬_¬ [/quote] Their fault for running Six Sams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Jonathan Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='burnpsy' timestamp='1300724603' post='5087415'] Their fault for running Six Sams? [/quote] Stupid people reviving my Shi En Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't know why this is unbanned AND Premature Burial isn't. I mean, it's quite more costly to use Premature, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1300724703' post='5087422'] I don't know why this is unbanned AND Premature Burial isn't. I mean, it's quite more costly to use Premature, isn't it? [/quote] I lol'd. You can loop Premature with bounce cards. Also, Premature can be searched and recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Expelsword Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1300724703' post='5087422'] I don't know why this is unbanned AND Premature Burial isn't. I mean, it's quite more costly to use Premature, isn't it? [/quote] canoirB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninja Jonathan Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Premature+Power tool=Something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Premature Burial is searchable and re-usable. That's why it's banned and this isn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I never lost, nor won because of this card Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Also note that Premature doesn't destroy the monster if it's bounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='.Kowalski' timestamp='1300724837' post='5087430'] I never lost, nor won because of this card [/quote] Probably because it's a single card in a deck of 40, and the odds of it being drawn on a "finishing move" are extremely low. EDIT: Plus, its usefulness depends on the situation, and it doesn't give "direct advantage". But that doesn't mean it's not an overpowered card. I'm sure that not many people have won because of Marshmallon either, but it's at 1. (I actually have won, because my opponent paid down to 800 Life Points in one duel and then attacked it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyakan Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1300724879' post='5087432'] Also note that Premature doesn't destroy the monster if it's bounced. [/quote] I wonder what its list position would be if it did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='Kyakan' timestamp='1300725091' post='5087441'] I wonder what its list position would be if it did. [/quote] It would probably still be at 0. It would still be searchable and reusable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1300724703' post='5087422'] I don't know why this is unbanned AND Premature Burial isn't. I mean, it's quite more costly to use Premature, isn't it? [/quote] Why do people keep saying this Dx It DOES have a cost unlike Monster Reborn. Also, it can get screwed by MST, but those are not really enough to make up for the advantages it has... Monster Reborn: I revive this monster..... Premature Burial a)I revive this monster. Then use Giant Trunade to return it to the hand, clear your backrow and use it again, without loosing the previously revived monster in the process. b)I revive this monster. I Summon/already had Ice Barrier/Myst Valley/R-Genex Birdman/etc and use it to bounce Premature for re-use, and re-use once again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, without loosing the monsters revived in the process. c)I use Hidden Armory to search for Premature from my Deck or Graveyard. Then I do it again with other copy of Hidden Armory if my Premature gets sent to the Graveyard. yeah..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 But the only way to bounce Premature is via Giant Trunade or Brionac. But Power Tool is a nice way to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1300725947' post='5087463'] But the only way to bounce Premature is via Giant Trunade or Brionac. But Power Tool is a nice way to get it. [/quote] Still, since Hidden Armory exists, it can only be listed at 0, 4, 5 or 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1300725947' post='5087463'] But the only way to bounce Premature is via Giant Trunade or Brionac. But Power Tool is a nice way to get it. [/quote] Or Dewloren, or Mist Valley Falcon, or that Alien monster, Zephyrus the Elite, or... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='CDDRodrigo' timestamp='1300725947' post='5087463'] But the only way to bounce Premature is via Giant Trunade or Brionac. But Power Tool is a nice way to get it. [/quote] http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mist_Valley_Thunder_Lord http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mist_Valley_Falcon http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dewloren,_Tiger_King_of_the_Ice_Barrier http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Disenchanter http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_Trunade http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Armory http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Brionac,_Dragon_of_the_Ice_Barrier to name some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 [quote name='sleepy' timestamp='1300726590' post='5087485'] http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mist_Valley_Thunder_Lord http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Mist_Valley_Falcon http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dewloren,_Tiger_King_of_the_Ice_Barrier http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Disenchanter http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Giant_Trunade http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Hidden_Armory http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Brionac,_Dragon_of_the_Ice_Barrier to name some [/quote] I meant generic cards that actually see a lot of play. The whole mist valley archetype could abuse Premmy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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