Goodnight Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Since Tactical Evolution, the TCG branch of Yugioh has been releasing cards brand new just for the TCG. The OCG releases them at a later time in the Extra Packs. However the problem with this is, that the majority of these cards are very overpowered, which is sometimes good because they occasionally release an overpowered card that will bring some playability to a severely underplayed archtype. However, occasionally they will release an overpowered card for an already good deck, or a card so OP it pushes a deck into 1st tier and it dominates the game. For example; Grandmaster of 6 sam Il blud Blazewing Butterfly Test tiger Dark grepher Allure of darkness Lonefire blossom Guardian of order Ehren, lightsworn monk Royal Swamp Eel Hand of 6 sam Card Guard Charge of light brigade Gardestrike Fulhelmknight Gravekeeper’s priestess Gateway of 6 sam Super nimble mega hamster Darksoul Infernity barrier Gravekeeper recruiter Reborn Tengu Tour guide : I assume this will get a lot of play once Exeeds hit. now try and think back to the last few years and notice how much of an impact these cards have had on the game. (some way more than others) The really odd thing though that I realize is that most of our top tier decks have utilized these cards, BlackWings do not (except an allure), and they are still incredibly powerful. The TCG really beefed up blackwings and they still continue to release BW cards nearly every set. So the question is, do all of these TCG exclusives make the game better or worse? I know that I personally think the game would have been better off without these tcg exclusives, but I'm also of the opinion that Synchros changed the game for the worst as well. This isn't a rant, I'm just looking for some discussion and other's insight and opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 No. Games have to evolve at some point. Stop being stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm of the belief that TCG Exclusives are just fine. The problem becomes that Japan controls the banlist and they don't get these cards until later, and thus those cards are all but immune to any form of limitation and their impact in certain decks allows other OPed cards to run rampant that would not occur if Japan had them (because those decks and comboes would warrant SOME form of limitation). Also, some of those cards are also not given very good/consistent rulings. Right now, my grievance is with XX-Saber Darksoul and how Sabers are absurdly powerful because NOTHING of theirs is being hit and Darksoul has a BS ruling. Rescue Cat doesn't count. Most of the cards on that list, I actually really like. It's certain combos or decks that can abuse them further than they should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1306177461' post='5227437'] I'm of the belief that TCG Exclusives are just fine. The problem becomes that Japan controls the banlist and they don't get these cards until later, and thus those cards are all but immune to any form of limitation and their impact in certain decks allows other OPed cards to run rampant that would not occur if Japan had them (because those decks and comboes would warrant SOME form of limitation). Also, some of those cards are also not given very good/consistent rulings. Right now, my grievance is with XX-Saber Darksoul and how Sabers are absurdly powerful because NOTHING of theirs is being hit and Darksoul has a BS ruling. Rescue Cat doesn't count. Most of the cards on that list, I actually really like. It's certain combos or decks that can abuse them further than they should have been. [/quote] Contrary to popular belief, XX-Darksoul is worse than Fishborg Blaster and Big Fish Combined. You have to either Gold Sarc/Foolishreborn or wait for Big Fish to draw before fish can go rampart and take the game by mass synchro spam. XX-Darksoul is perfect fodder for Hyunlei, and still activates at the end of the turn provided it's not removed from the grave, you can practicially add your next turn to your hand, either by Boggart Knight or Faultroll etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='Invalid Arguement' timestamp='1306177704' post='5227442'] Contrary to popular belief, XX-Darksoul is worse than Fishborg Blaster and Big Fish Combined. You have to either Gold Sarc/Foolishreborn or wait for Big Fish to draw before fish can go rampart and take the game by mass synchro spam. XX-Darksoul is perfect fodder for Hyunlei, and still activates at the end of the turn provided it's not removed from the grave, you can practicially add your next turn to your hand, either by Boggart Knight or Faultroll etc. [/quote] I didn't say Darksoul itself is broken. I don't like the ruling on it that probably would be overturned if Japan had it (evidently they don't) and X-Sabers don't dominate in Japan because the TCG Exclusives for Sabers are massively key components to the deck. Therefore cards like Faultroll and Darksoul (with current ruling) are untouched, and Gottom's E-Call has potential for limitation in some form. My personal grievance is with Darksoul, but I don't think it specifically contributes enough to call it broken. Just the ruling and Japan's lack of access means Sabers aren't being hit where it counts. I also have a hate relationship with Fishborg. Big Fish is a problem, but Fishborg makes it worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1306178082' post='5227453'] I didn't say Darksoul itself is broken. I don't like the ruling on it that probably would be overturned if Japan had it (evidently they don't) and X-Sabers don't dominate in Japan because the TCG Exclusives for Sabers are massively key components to the deck. Therefore cards like Faultroll and Darksoul (with current ruling) are untouched, and Gottom's E-Call has potential for limitation in some form. My personal grievance is with Darksoul, but I don't think it specifically contributes enough to call it broken. Just the ruling and Japan's lack of access means Sabers aren't being hit where it counts. I also have a hate relationship with Fishborg. Big Fish is a problem, but Fishborg makes it worse. [/quote] I wasn't aiming it at you =/ Oh well. Gateway is a card that should go to 0 now, because Dojo is out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 You quoted me. How is that not aimed at me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='Invalid Arguement' timestamp='1306177301' post='5227434'] No. Games have to evolve at some point. Stop being stupid. [/quote] game would have evolved perfectly fine without these you know... althought some of those TCG exclusive did accomplish their porpouse to support those unsupported or weak themes...Others...just went too far... Reborn Tengu is a good example of that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 TCG exclusives aren't a problem. In fact, it is the TCG's answer to the OCG exclusive cards in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I was playing Sabers against ::Archfiend:: and only won because he forgot Darksoul's effect. See, both OCG and TCG have cards that each other doesn't have for some time. Like the Duel Terminals. Gishkis, Gusto and Lavals are great archetypes, and we don't have them yet. Same as Darksoul, Barrier, Tengu, Tour Guide which they don't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='Goodnight' timestamp='1306176564' post='5227413'] OP Blazewing Butterfly Guardian of order Card Guard Gardestrike Gravekeeper’s priestess [/quote] Do you want me to take you seriosly? TCG exclusives are good for the game, we don't exactly want the Japanese meta way better than the TCG because they get all the cards earlier. Although I see your point with Tengu and Darksoul. Konami have to do something about Tengu, it's absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodnight Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='REDRUM' timestamp='1306179641' post='5227527'] I was playing Sabers against ::Archfiend:: and only won because he forgot Darksoul's effect. See, both OCG and TCG have cards that each other doesn't have for some time. Like the Duel Terminals. Gishkis, Gusto and Lavals are great archetypes, and we don't have them yet. Same as Darksoul, Barrier, Tengu, Tour Guide which they don't have. [/quote] @this and the post above his 90% of things that can truly be called "OCG exclusives" are terrible normal monsters released 6+ years ago. Cards like Gishkis and Gustos while technically exclusives, aren't really, because the OCG is just a few months ahead on new packs. And when even considering the older ocg exclusives, we still seem to be getting those as well occasionally. [quote] Do you want me to take you seriosly?[/quote] It's quite easy to change words in people's posts and take it out of context to make a person "less serious" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I'm not even sure if there are genuine "OCG exclusives" anymore. I guess the Duel Terminals could count since there is a very large delay between the Japanese and TCG releases, but...aren't DT cards illegal in tournaments anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihop Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Even in context nobody will take you seriously if you use the word 'OP' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='No. -1 Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1306182224' post='5227661'] but...aren't DT cards illegal in tournaments anyway? [/quote] not really, as long as they get released elsewhere they're fine, i know this because for example i saw a YT vid with a XX-saber deck and the guy had a DT Pashuul in there and a guy from my locals had a DT debris in their deck and it was allowed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 Where was our Watt TCG exclusive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Cakey Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='~Burning Soul~' timestamp='1306182886' post='5227685'] not really, as long as they get released elsewhere they're fine, i know this because for example i saw a YT vid with a XX-saber deck and the guy had a DT Pashuul in there and a guy from my locals had a DT debris in their deck and it was allowed [/quote] I meant, aren't they illegal at least until they're released in fr srs packs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 [quote name='No. -1 Dr. Cakey' timestamp='1306186968' post='5227885'] I meant, aren't they illegal at least until they're released in [b]fr srs[/b] packs. [/quote] @bolded: what? ..though i thinking yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 I always LOL'd@How a lot of the TCG exclusives ended up being broke-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 It should be noted that obviously Konami approved the card designs in some form, so it's not like the TCG branch is undermining the OCG. The problem is that the OCG dictates the banlist, letting OPed TCG Exclusives run about unchecked for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnpsy Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 TCG exclusives should be placed on the TCG banlist and such and not show up in the OCG list until released there, like cards from the OCG do. Then everything would be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daft Punk Posted May 23, 2011 Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 The problem isn't having TCG exclusives, the problem is what those exclusives are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathxy Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 japan has a lot of exclusives, most people are hyper and complaining about a tcg release of SQD, event not counting the duel terminals, japan has many promos, to recall some wisel infinity termporal machine god sephiron quasar dragon x-saber souza those 4 are the most i can recall at this moment, that are ocg exclusives that will came to tcg in a booster, jump magazine, or for quasar dragon, maybe a ycs prize the users that won this topic are those that said that the problem is that ocg =/= tcg, yet we have the same banlist based on how the game is played in japan darksoul and boggar will not be hit until extra pack 4, japan just recently got emmersblade and fulhelm. ocg and tcg needs his own list, problem solved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 that doesnt make for the fact that TCG somehow avoid to have the same rulings as OCG in some of those akward scenarios where TCG > OCG...just becuase our ruling benefits ourselves more...XD But that's another history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommanderVolt Posted May 24, 2011 Report Share Posted May 24, 2011 I was praying and praying my heart out that konami would give a few TCG Exclusive Arcana Force...but there was none. Tour Guide is something i really like and i really lucked out with Reptilianne Poison albeit it isant very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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