Blake Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Anime said: Just Utopia w/2 Materials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='ＨORUS' timestamp='1312833221' post='5425446'] Lol wait *does brain math* Do.you need Utopia with All materials AND 2 level 4's OR just Utopia with both materials? [/quote] Just Utopia with both materials, the 2 level 4s come from Utopia's own material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Okay, the context of the episode would make more sense than Overlaying an Xyz and additional monsters. Still, that seems like a waste of an Extra Deck slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1312833772' post='5425477'] Okay, the context of the episode would make more sense than Overlaying an Xyz and additional monsters. Still, that seems like a waste of an Extra Deck slot. [/quote] Well, Gadgets could use it. Pay tons of LP, then change Utopia into something more Offensive. You can pay up to 5000 with Gadgets + Somethign else, so you just need to find a way to neg 1000 more. Still a bad move, though xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Noel Vermillion' timestamp='1312817345' post='5424914'] Red Nova [/quote] XX-Saber Gottoms. Reberu san Difoma Remocon sanmai! Santaito Chuuna monsuta no TORIPORU CHUUNINGU!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ｄ・モバホン' timestamp='1312834594' post='5425503'] XX-Saber Gottoms. [/quote] [i][size=8]WHEN 3 TUNERS TUNE TOGETHER, WE MEET SYNCHRO THAT SCREWS THE RULES! SYNCHRO SUMMON! ALL-SWORD SLASH, XX-SABER GOTTOMS![/size][/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｐｌｅｎｄｉｄ ＶＥＮＵＳ' timestamp='1312831319' post='5425362'] For a plot device clutch card, at least it's better than the Majestics. [/quote] You must be troling right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 I posted XX-Saber Gottoms 2 pages back T_T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1312834681' post='5425507'] You must be troling right? [/quote] Majestics = Specific tuner, 1 specific non-tuner, 1 level 1 non-tuner. Remain on field a single turn. Hope Ray = Specific monster, 1/4th or less total lifepoints. This doesn't require you to waste main deck space on a piece of trash like Majestic Dragon, the worst Tuner in the game. This just takes an impractical Extra slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｐｌｅｎｄｉｄ ＶＥＮＵＳ' timestamp='1312837265' post='5425584'] Majestics = Specific tuner, 1 specific non-tuner, 1 level 1 non-tuner. Remain on field a single turn. Hope Ray = Specific monster, 1/4th or less total lifepoints. This doesn't require you to waste main deck space on a piece of trash like Majestic Dragon, the worst Tuner in the game. This just takes an impractical Extra slot. [/quote] The only Point I might concede you is the fact that the Salvation Dragon is aweful...even in the anime...But overall, the effect of Saivors could pretty much end game really fast if they were easier to summon...>_> This card's effect is so aweful...and its stats so bad that it is not even funny...>_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｕｐｐｒｅｓｓｉｏｎ ＰＬＵＴＯ' timestamp='1312837659' post='5425596'] The only Point I might concede you is the fact that the Salvation Dragon is aweful...even in the anime...But overall, the effect of Saivors could pretty much end game really fast if they were easier to summon...>_> This card's effect is so aweful...and its stats so bad that it is not even funny...>_> [/quote] I agree Majestics have stronger all-around effects but I wouldn't really call this awful since it swings for 3000-4000 on summon as long as there's no backrow. And we don't know if the gain is permanent or not yet. It's not amazing but it's not all that bad, the fact that it has to be summoned when you're in a pinch is what makes it utterly impractical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 At the end of the day, it's a -2 with a outclassed stat modulation effect. Not to mention that condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1312838956' post='5425659'] At the end of the day, it's a -2 with a outclassed stat modulation effect. Not to mention that condition. [/quote] No, Hope is a -1, this is a +0. The condition is what makes it bad. That, and tight Extra Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 They SERIOUSLY need to raise the extra limit to like, 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - PAIN' timestamp='1312839126' post='5425662'] They SERIOUSLY need to raise the extra limit to like, 30. [/quote] I rememeber the 30 card Fusion deck... Fun times... I'd think 20 would be a good raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Void Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1312839060' post='5425660'] No, Hope is a -1, this is a +0. The condition is what makes it bad. That, and tight Extra Deck. [/quote] Exactly, card itself is fine. Summoning condition is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1312839180' post='5425664'] I rememeber the 30 card Fusion deck... Fun times... I'd think 20 would be a good raise. [/quote] Well, maybe. Then again, unlimited makes Memory Crusher a godly card. I remember news from years ago when a guy who went to the world tournament sided it, and upon seeing that the opponent had a Fusion Deck of 100 cards, summoned it and swang for game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Ravenous Black' timestamp='1312839060' post='5425660'] No, Hope is a -1, this is a +0. The condition is what makes it bad. That, and tight Extra Deck.[/quote] To be honest, it's -3. -4 because four monsters in total (2 from Utopia and 2 from it's own cost) then +1 because of itself hitting the field. So -3. Why would I play this when I could get Double Utopia or Pearls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 WAit, what? The Fusion limit was /always/ 30, or so I thought O_O[quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1312839462' post='5425674'] To be honest, it's -3. -4 because four monsters in total (2 from Utopia and 2 from it's own cost) then +1 because of itself hitting the field. So -3. [/quote] lrn2read -1, total. 2 From UTopia IS the summoning cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Can someone confirm whether you can use Xyz Materials for this cost? Cos I don't think so :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ieyasu Tokugawa Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 [quote name='Cursed Reaction' timestamp='1312839462' post='5425674'] To be honest, it's -3. -4 because four monsters in total (2 from Utopia and 2 from it's own cost) then +1 because of itself hitting the field. [/quote] [quote name='Ｔｈｅ ｓｐｌｅｎｄｉｄ ＶＥＮＵＳ' timestamp='1312833339' post='5425455'] Just Utopia with both materials, the 2 level 4s come from Utopia's own material. [/quote] That's how the anime did it apparently :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiithepeople Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='Konoe A. Mercury' timestamp='1312835131' post='5425516'] I posted XX-Saber Gottoms 2 pages back T_T [/quote] But me and Vermillion improved on the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Berserker- Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Might consider it in Big Fish once Fishborg is banned... [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110808152121/yugioh/images/thumb/1/12/ChaosNumber39UtopiaRayJP-Anime-ZX-NC.png/751px-ChaosNumber39UtopiaRayJP-Anime-ZX-NC.png[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Okay, let's run down how you Summon this card: Overlay 2 level 4s for Number 39. If your LP is 1000 or less, and Number 39 has not lost Overlay Units, place this card from your Extra Deck on top of Number 39. Number 39 and both Units are considered Chaos Number 39's Overlay Units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1312858286' post='5426488'] Okay, let's run down how you Summon this card: Overlay 2 level 4s for Number 39. If your LP is 1000 or less, and Number 39 has not lost Overlay Units, place this card from your Extra Deck on top of Number 39. Number 39 and both Units are considered Chaos Number 39's Overlay Units. [/quote] Exactly. Also, somethign to note- Once more ways to recycle materials are introduced, the only Req is having 2 Units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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