Blake Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [center][img]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20091024194017/yugioh/images/thumb/e/e7/GracefulCharityDLG1-EN-SR-UE.jpg/300px-GracefulCharityDLG1-EN-SR-UE.jpg[/img][/center] [center]Discuss[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecha Love Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Ah, the old times........doubt you see it nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Angel's Charity is a much better name. Evilfusion or someone, is the discarding a cost or an effect? It looks like an effect. You rarely see it because it's banned in Advanced and Traditional isn't all that popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1320428487' post='5616804'] Angel's Charity is a much better name. Evilfusion or someone, is the discarding a cost or an effect? It looks like an effect. [/quote] It's an effect ,that's common sense ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 It's a +0 that allows you to draw 3 cards. And discard for fuel/DW/anything else. Should stay banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1320428530' post='5616805'] It's an effect ,that's common sense ._. [/quote] Traditional Format Dark Worlds would be nuts then. I might go build that deck, it'd be quite interesting to see how it comes out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote] Banish 2 monsters in your hand with the same name: Draw 3 cards.[/quote] ??????? Potentially balanced version(?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1320428845' post='5616819'] ??????? Potentially balanced version(?) [/quote] Too situational. If it said "2 Monsters" it'd be much more useful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 What if it worked like MTG's Brainstorm? [i]Draw 3 cards, then select 2 cards from your hand and place them at the top of your deck.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='-Makoto-' timestamp='1320428960' post='5616826'] What if it worked like MTG's Brainstorm? [i]Draw 3 cards, then select 2 cards from your hand and place them at the top of your deck.[/i] [/quote] ... I feel like in the old game it'd be MORE broken, but less broken modern day... Then again, stack mills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='-Makoto-' timestamp='1320428960' post='5616826'] What if it worked like MTG's Brainstorm? [i]Draw 3 cards, then select 2 cards from your hand and place them at the top of your deck.[/i] [/quote] Suprisingly, I find that rather balanced. Maybe it's because the way MTG puts a cost to every card, but having it like Brainstorm would not only clog your draws for 2 turns, unless you shuffle your deck of course, But it'd also make the card a +0, which it currently still is. It'd certianly be more balanced than the way this card is right now. Most people today don't really rely as much on the deck stack as the Graveyard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Sage Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 And more Exodia abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted November 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Shard' timestamp='1320429156' post='5616832'] Suprisingly, I find that rather balanced. Maybe it's because the way MTG puts a cost to every card, but having it like Brainstorm would not only clog your draws for 2 turns, unless you shuffle your deck of course, But it'd also make the card a +0, which it currently still is. It'd certianly be more balanced than the way this card is right now. [/quote] >Implying people don't shuffle >Implying people don't mill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1320429197' post='5616835'] >Implying people don't shuffle >Implying people don't mill [/quote] Well yes, but a Mill would take another outside source other than this card, which eats up more resources. Shuffling the deck however doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 It has to be an effect. You never pay a cost last. You always pay a cost first, before anything else (including chain opportunity). And drawing is never a cost. Like Pot of Greed, it's generic and costless. It's a +0 in card advantage, but thins the deck by 3 and lets you setup your Grave. Banned for a good reason. DW would maybe like, but mass discard usually isn't their style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320429337' post='5616840'] It has to be an effect. You never pay a cost last. You always pay a cost first, before anything else (including chain opportunity). And drawing is never a cost. [/quote] Thanks for clearing that up. Why wouldn't they like mass discard? They don't miss the timing. As long as you leave fodder for gate, It'd be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Mass discard is only good if you have multiple DWs. Most of their strategy post-Structure Deck is "controlled" discard with resource replenishment. For example, Gates will let you discard, but it also replaces the card you lost with a draw. Thus, you can get a + off the DW effect. With Graceful, while it would definitely be run in DW if unbanned, there's the chance you'd have to discard a useful S/T in addition to a DW, which reduces the control the DW player can have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320429740' post='5616857'] Mass discard is only good if you have multiple DWs. Most of their strategy post-Structure Deck is "controlled" discard with resource replenishment. For example, Gates will let you discard, but it also replaces the card you lost with a draw. Thus, you can get a + off the DW effect. With Graceful, while it would definitely be run in DW if unbanned, there's the chance you'd have to discard a useful S/T in addition to a DW, which reduces the control the DW player can have. [/quote] Now I see your point. There's times where I'd love a Graceful Charity, but then there's those times when discarding 2 cards would mess up your hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320429337' post='5616840'] DW would maybe like, but mass discard usually isn't their style. [/quote] I'm pretty sure turning a +0 into a +1/+2 actually is their style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1320429875' post='5616864'] I'm pretty sure turning a +0 into a +1/+2 actually is their style [/quote] Discarding double Snoww or Snoww and Grapha would be very nice. Plus in a dedicated DW deck you have a good chance of drawing DWs from the Draw effect to discard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1320429875' post='5616864'] I'm pretty sure turning a +0 into a +1/+2 actually is their style [/quote] I clarified my point in my following post. Note, I'm not saying GC is bad, nor that it shouldn't be run in DW if permitted. I'm saying "discard 2 cards" can be a mixed blessing, even in DW. They have Dragged, Dealings, Raven, and Gate, each can discard 1, or any number of cards you want. Controlled discard. Plus, some DW effects like Snoww add to this by generating either another discard card, or fodder for the discard. Its lets them keep control by choosing what effect to discard WITH and what DW effect to Trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='evilfusion' timestamp='1320430032' post='5616870'] I clarified my point in my following post. Note, I'm not saying GC is bad, nor that it shouldn't be run in DW if permitted. I'm saying "discard 2 cards" can be a mixed blessing, even in DW. They have Dragged, Dealings, Raven, and Gate, each can discard 1, or any number of cards you want. Controlled discard. Plus, some DW effects like Snoww add to this by generating either another discard card, or fodder for the discard. Its lets them keep control by choosing what effect to discard WITH and what DW effect to Trigger. [/quote] I agree but I doubt even the worst player would play Graceful Charity if it wouldn't always be a good bless- [color=#006400]>Yugioh players[/color] nvm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Graceful Charity doesn't usualy have strategy involved. Early game, you have more expendable cards in hand. Late game, you're short on options anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 [quote name='Nightmare Zarkus' timestamp='1320430112' post='5616876'] I agree but I doubt even the worst player would play Graceful Charity if it wouldn't always be a good bless- [color=#006400]>Yugioh players[/color] nvm [/quote] This is more like Card Destruction. You hold onto it until you are ready to take the game quickly. No-one would waste card destruction to discard a single DW if instead they could hold onto it a little bit and use it with a hand full of Dark Worlds for best effect. I'd only activate this in DW not only for the draw, but the insanely stupid ability to set off 2 Dark World discard effects, be it double Snoww or any combination, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Βyakuya Posted November 4, 2011 Report Share Posted November 4, 2011 Remembered using this in DWs in 2007. Good times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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