Solemn Silver Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322165620' post='5662909'] Shouldn't be illegal, but should be heavily regulated. [/quote] Agreed PRetty much inforce the same laws of drinking, i.e. no driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Actually, it should be taken up a notch. No smoking that junk in public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted November 25, 2011 Report Share Posted November 25, 2011 Anyone who knows me a little knows that I hate drugs (all kinds including the less than obvious poisons that some people seem to love; may they rot where they stand). To the point where I have to take therapy in order to just regulate myself so I do not shatter the hand of some fortunate smoker. I've taken to wearing a face-mask in public when I can, just so I can avoid that rancid less than human stench. Among the "higher tier" narcotics, I don't even bother with that amount of effort. I've been known to report them to the police in front of them. With as little as possible regard to their existence. A few have tried to hit me before, but a futile effort that was. Their bodies are too fragile to harm me even on an adrenaline rush. Also, I was raised to the fact that naming something shows it respect. So I will avoid naming any of these at any cost, as I do not wish to show it respect of any kind. Even so much as to give it an identity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='Darkplant - FEAR' timestamp='1321999195' post='5659793'] In all honesty, I can't find a real REASON to go take them. [/quote] I was at my brother's house for thanksgiving (h's 35) and he gave me a pretty damn good reason for taking them. s*** happens, like in his life. He has 3 kids, his wife got a divorce, and his job isn't very steady, so he's stressed a lot. So instead of letting the stress take over, he smokes. Not while his kids are around though, because he does it so he won't be stressed around his kids. And when my dad died 2 years back, my mom was getting stressed, so to calm down, she started drinking. And it helps her when it gets to be too much. So everyone has their reason for taking their happy drug, but some people just over do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='TheComposer' timestamp='1322349801' post='5667967'] s*** happens, [/quote] Which is exactly why I feel humans need to have a heightened self of esteem and grow more willpower within themselves so drugs will not be needed...] However I am speaking as a person who has had quite a priviledged life and I could never possibly understand what it feels like to be in your position... My condolences to you and your friend for leading such hard times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 26, 2011 Report Share Posted November 26, 2011 [quote name='Avaritia' timestamp='1321969202' post='5658964'] I didn't explain deeply enough. So sorry. If they are legally sold, attaining them will cause less pressure on those addicted. If the means to the ends harm anybody but themselves, then the culprits should be taken away. If the ends themselves hurt anybody besides the culprit, stop them, as well. It's not the drugs the inherent problem, it's more of what is done to purchase them and where they kill themselves after. I wouldn't mind if drugs were illegal, either. I live where they are illegal and everything is fine. [/quote] If your idea was put into practice then all kinds of new problems would arise in my opinion, such as smoking pot outside of the designated smoking areas. Let's say that a group of fictional people [i]do[/i] smoke cannabis within the designated smoking area, what happens when they are subject to Cannabinoid intoxication? It is more hassle then it's worth to be honest. It would most likely cause the Police a lot more work, in my opinion; they're just better to stay illegal and should be everywhere as it causes less hassle and if an idea like this was put into place it would most likely fail. Let's say that they do make illegal drugs legal, what happens when addicts can't afford them? Drugs do cost now, after all, we have farmers harvesting them and businessmen selling them. The drugs have to pay for themselves, right? Should we just let all the previous problems arise with all the new problems in play as well? Sorry but I really don't think this would be a good solution and I don't think you had even thought of more than 2 variables to be taken into account. [quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1322188064' post='5663838'] Anyone who knows me a little knows that I hate drugs (all kinds including the less than obvious poisons that some people seem to love; may they rot where they stand). To the point where I have to take therapy in order to just regulate myself so I do not shatter the hand of some fortunate smoker. I've taken to wearing a face-mask in public when I can, just so I can avoid that rancid less than human stench. Among the "higher tier" narcotics, I don't even bother with that amount of effort. I've been known to report them to the police in front of them. With as little as possible regard to their existence. A few have tried to hit me before, but a futile effort that was. Their bodies are too fragile to harm me even on an adrenaline rush. Also, I was raised to the fact that naming something shows it respect. So I will avoid naming any of these at any cost, as I do not wish to show it respect of any kind. Even so much as to give it an identity. [/quote] I really feel for you. For you to even be at a point of therapy to regulate yourself must mean I couldn't guess what kind of experiences you must have had with drugs, but they always turn out the same; bad. As for the last section, well, you sound like some kind of superhero. [i]Their bodies are too fragile to harm me even on an adrenaline rush. [/i] I don't expect you to openly explain yourself as there is obviously more behind this sentence, please PM me Icyblue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheComposer Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322350248' post='5667991'] Which is exactly why I feel humans need to have a heightened self of esteem and grow more willpower within themselves so drugs will not be needed...] However I am speaking as a person who has had quite a priviledged life and I could never possibly understand what it feels like to be in your position... My condolences to you and your friend for leading such hard times... [/quote]Thanks. And I never intend on taking drugs myself, but things happen. But if I ever was pushed to that point, I would take it only when I needed it. The only reasons these drugs are bad is because people overdue them. If you use them for what they're meant for, there's no problem. It's when it's misused or overused that it's bad. Like food. You overuse it and you get fat, use it right, and you don't go hungry. Terrible example but it's what I got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I do it for occasional fun and in horrible stress situations. It's never harmed me. Sure, I've seen people get into bad stuff and ruin their lives, but as long as your not stupid about drugs, you'll be fine. Minor highs like marijuana barely harm anyone unless they use it nearly every day and allow themselves to get into worse things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322353416' post='5668102'] I do it for occasional fun and in horrible stress situations. It's never harmed me. Sure, I've seen people get into bad stuff and ruin their lives, but as long as your not stupid about drugs, you'll be fine. Minor highs like marijuana barely harm anyone unless they use it nearly every day and allow themselves to get into worse things. [/quote] Want fun? Play some video games, go outside or even go to the extreme of learning to lucid dream. Horrible stress situation? Do what Icyblue does and go to therapy, they are qualified for a reason. I have a fairly strong view and that view is that drugs are never the answer. They are useless. I'm sorry if I came across rude but I really don't empathize with people who take drugs. I have been through a lot more compared to the majority of teenagers and adults and I went through it all without any drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Video games aren't really the relief to any stressful situation. Going outside is the same as video games. It's cool, but gets old. And that last one was just... random... Therapy is also expensive for a reason. I'd rather spend $5-20 on weed than hundreds on therapy. And saying you've been through a lot. There are people I know who have also been though a lot. Divorce, parental death, even terminal diseases. Then they started smoking weed and/or drinking on occasion. Now, despite the fact that they've had unhappy times, their happy regardless of the choices they've made. Drugs [i]aren't [/i]useless if used properly. If you don't get too carried away, and have a good state of mind about them, they're a great way to pass off stress, and even bond with friends if you see it that way. Nothing says "you're a great friend to me" than doing something illegal with someone and knowing that you're good enough friends that you won't turn them in and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Apparently masturbation relieves stress... Just sayin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322354004' post='5668125'] Video games aren't really the relief to any stressful situation. Going outside is the same as video games. It's cool, but gets old. And that last one was just... random... Therapy is also expensive for a reason. I'd rather spend $5-20 on weed than hundreds on therapy. And saying you've been through a lot. There are people I know who have also been though a lot. Divorce, parental death, even terminal diseases. Then they started smoking weed and/or drinking on occasion. Now, despite the fact that they've had unhappy times, their happy regardless of the choices they've made. Drugs [i]aren't [/i]useless if used properly. If you don't get too carried away, and have a good state of mind about them, they're a great way to pass off stress, and even bond with friends if you see it that way. Nothing says "you're a great friend to me" than doing something illegal with someone and knowing that you're good enough friends that you won't turn them in and vice versa. [/quote] I love the way you confuse your own personal opinions with facts. I said the video games thing because you said: [quote]I smoke weed occasionally for fun[/quote] Sure, I don't have a terminal illness. However, in my opinion what I have been through is still a lot. I do not think that it is right for us as humans and as individuals to compare notes on who had the worst life as there is always someone worse off. Taking weed is never a good solution to your problems? In the end you will most likely become dependent on it. Therapy does not cost hundreds of dollars, in fact there are helplines and psychiatrists put in place for people who can't afford therapy. I get it now, it's okay as long as you do it in moderation. Just like anything, if you eat McDonalds once a week for 5 years no weight will be put on at all! It is so easy to burn it all off at the gym and it works the same mentally. Smoking weed on occasion in order to get you through the unhappy times will definitely have no effect on your mental status whatsoever. The next time you experience a strong human emotion, such as depression, you should smoke weed to get you through it because it worked the last time right? So guys, it has been 2 weeks or so since weed got me through my depression. Today I feel rather sad because my puppy was run over, I think smoking weed will take the pain away. Okay, it's been about a week since my puppy died and I think I'm over it. I think I'll go bond with my mates over some illegal cannabis. No friendship is stronger than a weed friendship! Okay, so it's been about 2 days since I hung out with my friends and today I got a F in math. Eh, no worries, I'll spark up a joint and it will be fine. Obviously what you're saying is not as dramatized as that paragraph was, however, the principle is still the same. Life will hand you frequent lows, some are going to be dastardly and some minor. Once you go through with weed in order to get yourself through a low it usually becomes a cycle. By the way, I'm obviously not going to go shouting what I went through on the internet for everyone on the forum to see but if you really want to know, and I mean really want to know then I'll tell you via PM. But there is really no point in debating with you as most people on the internet and in real life don't man up when they need to. I'm sorry if I offended you with my posts but it's how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Can someone explain to me why people think "It's not as bad as X." is a valid reason for bringing weed to the legal side? I can't seem to understand how legalizing the lesser of two evils is fine, when the other evil is already out there. I will never drink or smoke anything of the sort, but I don't have a problem with [i]most[/i] of it as long as its away from me. The only real reason I can see in legalizing it is the economics of it. However, I don't see how legalizing something, even a little harmful to the populace, just to make some money is a morally correct option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fusion X. Denver Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I haven't done drugs or drank any alcohol before and I don't plan to, but I kinda think weed at the very least should be legalized. I forget the exact statistic, but apparently 60% or something like that of the people in jail are in there because of drugs/alcohol in some shape or form. And for each person we imprison, the government loses money to use on detaining that person and taking care of them (irony is death-row inmates cost even more). The way I see it, we're wasting money on arresting/imprisoning people who deal with weed when that money can be used for something else. Plus, the system's turning normal people into hardened criminals scarred by the scum of prison. I find that retarded to be honest. My friend smokes weed, he explained it to me pretty much the same way as Zoidberg, it's not that bad for you and it's used medicinally for a reason. I mean, I wouldn't recommend it as the first method used to relieve your stress, but it shouldn't be illegal to the extent where money's wasted and people are changed for the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322358387' post='5668314'] Can someone explain to me why people think "It's not as bad as X." is a valid reason for bringing weed to the legal side? I can't seem to understand how legalizing the lesser of two evils is fine, when the other evil is already out there. I will never drink or smoke anything of the sort, but I don't have a problem with [i]most[/i] of it as long as its away from me. The only real reason I can see in legalizing it is the economics of it. However, I don't see how legalizing something, even a little harmful to the populace, just to make some money is a morally correct option. [/quote] The only reason weed's illegal is because it's easy to grow, so the government can't tax it as much as they want. I know you're probably thinking "Well what about vegetable gardens and stuff?" but that's different. It's rare to have the audacity to have a vegetable garden in this day and age, especially if you life in a dense city are. Marijuana is different. If you have some form of lighting that is similar to natural sunlight (or you just use the sun's light), then all you really need is to keep close attention to it. Anyone could grow it, so long as they get their hands on seeds. [quote name='Travie' timestamp='1322357943' post='5668295'] I love the way you confuse your own personal opinions with facts. [b]I'm not confusing them. I'm offering both.[/b] I said the video games thing because you said: Sure, I don't have a terminal illness. However, in my opinion what I have been through is still a lot. I do not think that it is right for us as humans and as individuals to compare notes on who had the worst life as there is always someone worse off. Taking weed is never a good solution to your problems? In the end you will most likely become dependent on it. Therapy does not cost hundreds of dollars, in fact there are helplines and psychiatrists put in place for people who can't afford therapy. [b]I've been though a lot too. Smoking weed is a good solution if done in moderation. Dependency, while possible, is not as likely as just become a recreational smoker. Addiction to marijuana is rare, unless you have a mental illness like depression. If that's the case, then stay away from it. Sure, there's hotlines and psychiatrists, but there's also the concept of people who have the fear or embarrassment of going to therapy. Take, for example, someone who is homosexual, but can't come it. They're embarrassed to tell anyone, even if that person's profession is to listen. Instead, they occasionally smoke weed, and deal with it. Now, I never said "all your problems will go away if you smoke weed," but it helps you come to your senses and just enjoy the little things a bit more. It doesn't get rid of the stress, if just gives you a few hours to not care and be free.[/b] I get it now, it's okay as long as you do it in moderation. Just like anything, if you eat McDonalds once a week for 5 years no weight will be put on at all! It is so easy to burn it all off at the gym and it works the same mentally. Smoking weed on occasion in order to get you through the unhappy times will definitely have no effect on your mental status whatsoever. The next time you experience a strong human emotion, such as depression, you should smoke weed to get you through it because it worked the last time right? [b]Your McDonalds example is stupid. Once a week is now "in moderation." In fact, when I think of moderation with weed, it's anything less than once a week, really. I often go months at a time without using. The last time I smoked was 3 weeks ago. Before that it was 5 months. And as previously mentioned, it won't have a negative effect on mental status unless you already have a mental illness. No one becomes depressed after being high. The opposite, actually. I'm not saying every time you feel down, weed will make everything okay, but I AM saying if you take a hit from time to time, you'll feel pretty damn happy.[/b] So guys, it has been 2 weeks or so since weed got me through my depression. Today I feel rather sad because my puppy was run over, I think smoking weed will take the pain away. Okay, it's been about a week since my puppy died and I think I'm over it. I think I'll go bond with my mates over some illegal cannabis. No friendship is stronger than a weed friendship! Okay, so it's been about 2 days since I hung out with my friends and today I got a F in math. Eh, no worries, I'll spark up a joint and it will be fine. [b]Again, depression is a situation to NOT smoke. And again, not every situation is fixed by smoking. All of these examples contradict what I recommended, and thus have no real benefit for your argument.[/b] Obviously what you're saying is not as dramatized as that paragraph was, however, the principle is still the same. Life will hand you frequent lows, some are going to be dastardly and some minor. Once you go through with weed in order to get yourself through a low it usually becomes a cycle. By the way, I'm obviously not going to go shouting what I went through on the internet for everyone on the forum to see but if you really want to know, and I mean really want to know then I'll tell you via PM. [b]Yes, life does hand frequent blows. I've experienced more than my fair share. The major ones are the ones that can be at least weakened with the occasional smoke. It doesn't become a cycle if your careful, as I said before. I don't smoke as often as you assume I do. As well, I never asked what you went though. If you feel that telling me will help your argument, then go ahead and tell me. I will as well, tell you the major blows in my life, and tell you how much better my quality of life is after the occasional smoke. Of course, I'm assuming you'll dismiss that as me being 'addicted.'[/b] But there is really no point in debating with you as most people on the internet and in real life don't man up when they need to. I'm sorry if I offended you with my posts but it's how I feel. [b]'Man up'? So you're suggesting that I 'know I'm wrong but won't admit it'? You, my friend, are sadly mistaken if that's the case. In fact, you kind of make yourself out to be full of yourself. It's like saying 'I'm right and I know it, but you won't admit it. But I don't care, 'cause I'm right.'[/b] [/quote] My opinion is that weed is cool, if you're not an idiot about it. If your opinion differs, which it seems to, I can respect that and leave it alone so long as you can do the same towards me. 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Legend Zero Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='John A. Zoidberg' timestamp='1322365848' post='5668606'] The only reason weed's illegal is because it's easy to grow, so the government can't tax it as much as they want. I know you're probably thinking "Well what about vegetable gardens and stuff?" but that's different. [/quote] Actually, no, I wasn't thinking that at all. I'm also sure that the conflicting studies about it's health risk are another reason. I'm not saying people don't have the right to want it legalized, but they shouldn't act like it does absolutely nothing bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 I don't think the government has the right to tell us what we can/can't do to our bodies Weed shouldn't be legal because it's not as bad. It should be legal because it's morally reprehensible (to me) to control what people do to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cin Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Not interested, never had friends that do them. Saw a documentary about the damage to nose sniffing lines can cause, I'd like not to have my nose collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 The damage weed causes is minimal and comparable to existing recreational drugs that our Government not only endorses but uses themselves. Criminalizing heroine and meth is one thing, but they should be a little consistent. Personally, I'd try pot before I would even think about touching a cigarette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322400166' post='5669262'] The damage weed causes is minimal and comparable to existing recreational drugs that our Government not only endorses but uses themselves. Criminalizing heroine and meth is one thing, but they should be a little consistent. Personally, I'd try pot before I would even think about touching a cigarette. [/quote] Like LZ said; how can you justify evil with a lesser evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Who are you to say weed is evil? You are the one justifying evil, in this case alcohol, with a lesser evil, in this case pot. I guess we should just become Communist China and start telling people what to think as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Travie Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322400851' post='5669280'] Who are you to say weed is evil? You are the one justifying evil, in this case alcohol, with a lesser evil, in this case pot. I guess we should just become Communist China and start telling people what to think as well. [/quote] So basically what you're saying is it is not allowed for me to say what I believe to be evil but you are? And I never justified alcohol so I don't know what you're on about there. .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322358387' post='5668314'] Can someone explain to me why people think "It's not as bad as X." is a valid reason for bringing weed to the legal side? I can't seem to understand how legalizing the lesser of two evils is fine, when the other evil is already out there. [/quote] This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John A. Zoidberg Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 Weed isn't okay because of it being not as bad as other things. It's okay because it's not bad. However, if someone offered you either a cigarette or a joint, the cigarette is basically a gun to the head in comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted November 27, 2011 Report Share Posted November 27, 2011 You're using retarded logic to try to distract from the point. Weed being not as bad as alcohol or cigarettes is not a valid reason on it's own to be legal. However, you have yet to state a valid reason why pot should remain illegal and alcohol shouldn't be banned. The government shouldn't tell people what to do to themselves. Especially a drug which is relatively harmless. Maybe we should criminalize trans fats? They're extremely bad for you. We're not talking about whether it's bad or not. We're discussing whether it justifies putting someone in prison and taking their freedom away, which is worse than any drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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