OmegaWave Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1322857582' post='5680973'] Read. The. Legal. Jargon. [/quote] "The 2012 National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”" The possibility is there. Knowing our government, they'd probably take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I say ol' chap! England is rather spiffing, I tell you! We can go outside without fear of being shot I tell you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makο Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ... I wonder how New Zealand is doing right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDDRodrigo Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Guys. Everyone. Come here to Brazil. We have everything you want here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I highly doubt this'll affect me. Meh, America may be stupid, but we're still better than others >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resident Fascist Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='-Noel-' timestamp='1322857943' post='5680984'] Guys. Everyone. Come here to Brazil. We have everything you want here. [/quote] atleast you don't get shot at there. but I'm fine where I am, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='~OW~' timestamp='1322857724' post='5680975'] "The 2012 National Defense Authorization Act is being called the most traitorous act ever witnessed in the Senate, and the language of the bill is cleverly designed to make you think it doesn’t apply to Americans, but toward the end of the bill it essentially says it can apply to Americans ”if we want it to.”" The possibility is there. Knowing our government, they'd probably take it. [/quote] Riiiight being able to detain a foreign ambassador, a government official or otherwise when they do something bad is "traitorous". And no, it does apply to americans. But it applies to those with some form of Diplomatic Immunity. It is not "if we want to", at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I have to agree with Icy, the way I'm reading it just means we can get around diplomatic immunity. How does this translate to everyday citizens? Is there something I'm missing or is everyone just on a "lol america sux" tirade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 I'm still a little scared. A lot scared. I'd say, "let's riot," but then they'd kill me. Whatever, I'm leaving. F*** this country. It's still a stupid bill even if they can't apply it to Americans. Actually, based on what Icy said, I'm going to have to read the bill myself first, but I still hate this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaWave Posted December 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1322858320' post='5680997'] I have to agree with Icy, the way I'm reading it just means we can get around diplomatic immunity. How does this translate to everyday citizens? Is there something I'm missing or is everyone just on a "lol america sux" tirade? [/quote] Read it again. The MILITARY gets immunity, it's not saying Immunity is outlawed. "[b]The passage of this law[/b] is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the ”legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 The Republicans control the senate and the senate passed the damn bill... The Republicans want all their opposers to shut up about them so they are passing this bill to get rid of em... Well bullsh*t they can grab me when I am dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Lunæ' timestamp='1322857986' post='5680986'] Meh, America may be stupid, but we're still better than others >_> [/quote] America is possibly only better than 3rd world countries. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Origins Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 ... I think I might just hop in with our friendly northern neighbors for a while, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322858568' post='5681007'] The Republicans control the senate and the senate passed the damn bill... The Republicans want all their opposers to shut up about them so they are passing this bill to get rid of em... Well bullsh*t they can grab me when I am dead... [/quote] Really? Because conservatives usually go on about the Government one day taking control and doing this and people laugh at them. The crazies were right. TO ENGLAND! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='~OW~' timestamp='1322858492' post='5681004'] Read it again. The MILITARY gets immunity, it's not saying Immunity is outlawed. "[b]The passage of this law[/b] is nothing less than an outright declaration of WAR against the American People by the military-connected power elite. If this is signed into law, it will shred the remaining tenants of the Bill of Rights and unleash upon America a total military dictatorship, complete with secret arrests, secret prisons, unlawful interrogations, indefinite detainment without ever being charged with a crime, the torture of Americans and even the ”legitimate assassination” of U.S. citizens on right here on American soil!" [/quote] You can quote the article all you like, I did already read it, and I still don't understand what the problem is. If it is what you say, then it will most likely be ruled unconstitutional. (unless our entire Supreme Court is in on the conspiracy) Judging by the last paragraph of the article I don't really believe into the bias in this article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322858674' post='5681014'] Really? Because conservatives usually go on about the Government one day taking control and doing this and people laugh at them. The crazies were right. TO ENGLAND! [/quote] Republicans have pretty much essentially made the entire occupy wallstreet movement look like a bunch of terrorists... It was their plan the entire time... It is all to get rid of opposers to the republican cause... While the Democrats hold the majority of the House of Representatives, the republicans hold the majority of the senate which passed the bill... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322858930' post='5681024'] Republicans have pretty much essentially made the entire occupy wallstreet movement look like a bunch of terrorists... It was their plan the entire time... It is all to get rid of opposers to the republican cause... While the Democrats hold the majority of the House of Representatives, the republicans hold the majority of the senate which passed the bill... [/quote] It was still 97/3, so get the hell over yourself =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1322858998' post='5681026'] It was still 97/3, so get the hell over yourself =/ [/quote] 3 Democrats most likely... Stupid capitalist pigs who vouch for bigoted conservatism and lobby for everyone else... F*cking republicans all of em... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Nu-13 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Guys, come over to Poland. Really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322859067' post='5681028'] 3 Democrats most likely... Stupid capitalist pigs who vouch for bigoted conservatism and lobby for everyone else... F*cking republicans all of em... [/quote] ... *is Republican* I'm not defending this bill, at all, nor the party as a whole... But you sound like the bigot here =/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icy Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Btw here's the section the article quote summoned up. [quote] [size=3][b]Subtitle D: Detainee Matters [/b]- (Sec. 1031) Affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force includes the authority for U.S. Armed Forces to detain covered persons pending disposition under the law of war. Defines a "covered person" as a person who: (1) planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks on the United States of September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for such attacks; or (2) was part of or substantially supported al Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. Requires the Secretary to regularly brief Congress on the application of such authority.[/size] [size=3](Sec. 1032) Requires U.S. Armed Forces to hold in custody pending disposition a person who was a member or part of al Qaeda or an associated force and participated in planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners. Authorizes the Secretary to waive such requirement in the national security interest. Makes such requirement inapplicable to U.S. citizens or U.S. lawful resident aliens. Outlines implementation procedures.[/size] [size=3](Sec. 1033) Prohibits FY2012 DOD funds from being used to transfer any individual detained at Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba (Guantanamo) to the custody or control of that individual's country of origin, other foreign country, or foreign entity unless the Secretary makes a specified certification to Congress, including that the transferee country or entity is not a state sponsor of terrorism or terrorist organization and has agreed to ensure that the individual cannot take action to threaten the United States or its citizens or allies in the future. Prohibits any such transfer if there is a confirmed case of an individual who was transferred to a foreign country and subsequently engaged in terrorist activity. Authorizes the waiver of such prohibition in the national security interest.[/size] [size=3](Sec. 1034) Prohibits FY2012 funds from being used to construct or modify any facility in the United States or its territories or possessions to house any individual detained at Guantanamo for purposes of detention or imprisonment by DOD, unless authorized by Congress. Provides an exception.[/size] [size=3](Sec. 1035) Directs the Secretary to submit to the defense and intelligence committees procedures for implementing the periodic Guantanamo detainee review process required under Executive Order.[/size] [size=3](Sec. 1036) Directs the Secretary to submit to such committees: (1) procedures for determining the status of persons detained pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force, and (2) any modifications to such procedures.[/size] [size=3](Sec. 1037) Allows a guilty plea as part of a pre-trial agreement in capital offense trials by military commission.[/size] [/quote] [size=4]None of this is even near as bad as the article says.[/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tentacruel Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322858930' post='5681024'] Republicans have pretty much essentially made the entire occupy wallstreet movement look like a bunch of terrorists... It was their plan the entire time... It is all to get rid of opposers to the republican cause... While the Democrats hold the majority of the House of Representatives, the republicans hold the majority of the senate which passed the bill... [/quote] Okay fine, but look at the numbers. Democrats voted too. Plus, any conservative that heard this would freak the hell out and start ranting about the government taking away our freedom. Dude, stop idolizing the Democratic party. They're just as bad. [quote name='Icyblue' timestamp='1322859228' post='5681035'] Btw here's the section the article quote summoned up. [size=4]None of this is even near as bad as the article says.[/size] [/quote] So yeah, it allows them to kill people regardless of Diplomatic Immunity. Guys, this is because of the flak they got for killing those American Al Qaeda Supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Revan of the Sith Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1322859151' post='5681031'] ... *is Republican* I'm not defending this bill, at all, nor the party as a whole... But you sound like the bigot here =/ [/quote] Governmental Republicans... I hate conservatism... Sorry but its wrong imho... I hate to get all pissy about crap like this but it is pretty much what I believe thei motivation for it was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 [quote name='Tentacruel' timestamp='1322859344' post='5681043'] Okay fine, but look at the numbers. Democrats voted too. Plus, any conservative that heard this would freak the hell out and start ranting about the government taking away our freedom. Dude, stop idolizing the Democratic party. They're just as bad. [/quote] I approve this message because that is both what I am saying and kinda been ranting about it to friends.[quote name='Izaya Orihara' timestamp='1322859360' post='5681044'] Governmental Republicans... I hate conservatism... Sorry but its wrong imho... I hate to get all pissy about crap like this but it is pretty much what I believe thei motivation for it was... [/quote] Seriously, it was a BI-PARTISAN EFFORT =_= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jord200 Posted December 2, 2011 Report Share Posted December 2, 2011 Oh good lord..... this is just........ I can't even begin..... so I'll sum how I feel with this. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mLjKI968g[/media] and [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/aqua91/facepalm.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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