Blake Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='poopybuttoxes' timestamp='1326612355' post='5765011'] Banned: Monster Reborn Gateway of the Six Limited: [b]TGU[/b] Premature Burial Judgment Dragon Call (just for old times sake) [b]Zenmaines[/b] Semi-Limited: [b]Reborn Tengu[/b] Gravity Bind [/quote] Reborn is iffy, seeing as it doesn't make much a splash, though it's terrible card design. Bold is impossible because TCG exclusives, and TGU only needs a semi. @Everything Else: ARE YOU INSANE? Sams aren't toppign and 1 is just enough to keep it going without being hideously broken. Sorta like Limiting Zenmaity would be. JD does deserve it, but it has 0 chance of happening, given the fact LS is simply casual now. Just like Chain Material, it is HORRENDOUS card design, but is nowhere need getting hit to where it should be. Really, really does not deserve @3, though =/ Premature Burial is as broken as ever. Why the hell would it come back? Call is fine @2, and hasn't made a splash at all. Gravity Bind is crap, and doesn't need to move at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpoleMew Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I can kinda see Premature Burial going to 1 if Brionac gets banned. What else bounces S/Ts...oh wait, Dewloren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poopybuttoxes Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326612761' post='5765012'] Reborn is iffy, seeing as it doesn't make much a splash, though it's terrible card design. Bold is impossible because TCG exclusives, and TGU only needs a semi. @Everything Else: ARE YOU INSANE? Sams aren't toppign and 1 is just enough to keep it going without being hideously broken. Sorta like Limiting Zenmaity would be. JD does deserve it, but it has 0 chance of happening, given the fact LS is simply casual now. Just like Chain Material, it is HORRENDOUS card design, but is nowhere need getting hit to where it should be. Really, really does not deserve @3, though =/ Premature Burial is as broken as ever. Why the hell would it come back? Call is fine @2, and hasn't made a splash at all. Gravity Bind is crap, and doesn't need to move at all. [/quote]Sams still see tourneys and they still get pretty high up there. The only difference between a gateway in a game is draw it, luck win, or dont draw it, claw at your opponent until you lose. Sams still have musakani, double edge, and six sam united. They were extremely broke, and still broke. Gateway gone is necesary, and by necesary i dont mean "oh no, sams are murdering", but just a cheap annoyance. I like sams, and i use them alot, but gateway is just stupid to me. Get kizan/grandmaster + gateway = full field. Rekindling = Random OTK. If you dont know, now you know. Monster Reborn = Special the opponents BLS for game. Whats wrong with premature? Its like way worse than reborn, unless theres some weird broke combo with it that i've never heard of. JD is pretty much just BS top deck. Lightsworn decks dont really win anymore, but they still have those random "specials 1 JD, effect, specials 2 more JD." Zenmaity needs no explanation. See hunter FTK. Its BS that TCG excusives dont get hit. TGU is still rather good in dark world at 2. I would still run tour guide at 1 in certain decks. Its an easy +1/rank 3 xyz. Pretty much normal summon 17 or zenmaines. I know gravity bind isnt really a threat, but against certain decks while you use nurse burn with 3 reapers, 1 marshmallon, 3 GB, and an area-b it gets slow. Why no talk of BLS? Its just stupid. I dont really think anything on my list is unfair, other than the gorz, but i explained that. TGU to 1 and tengu to 2 would change the game alot and it would piss off alot of people, but they should understand that they're broke because they use them. Premature was just my way of replacing reborn, i know you can do that brio thing, but if its that bad just leave call at 2 and have no spell reborn card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='poopybuttoxes' timestamp='1326615018' post='5765024'] Sams still see tourneys and they still get pretty high up there. The only difference between a gateway in a game is draw it, luck win, or dont draw it, claw at your opponent until you lose. Sams still have musakani, double edge, and six sam united. They were extremely broke, and still broke. Gateway gone is necesary, and by necesary i dont mean "oh no, sams are murdering", but just a cheap annoyance. I like sams, and i use them alot, but gatewayis just stupid to me. Get kizan/grandmaster + gateway = full field. [b]>Sams[/b] [b]>See real play[/b] [b]No[/b] Rekindling = Random OTK. If you dont know, now you know. [b]Learn to read my quote. I didnt quote your whole post. =/[/b] Monster Reborn = Special the opponents BLS for game. [b]As I said, it's iffy. And citing a POTENTIALLY BANNED CARD as a reason is stupid[/b] Whats wrong with premature? Its like way worse than reborn, unless theres some weird broke combo with it that i've never heard of. [b]Combos with Brio and Dewloren and Such. NOW YOU KNOW.[/b] JD is pretty much just BS top deck. Lightsworn decks dont really win anymore, but they still have those random "specials 1 JD, effect, specials 2 more JD." [b]So are BLS, JD, etc. And @3, it's done NOTHING. It does deserve it, but it's nowhere near gettign it.[/b] Zenmaity needs no explanation. See hunter FTK. [b]See Rekindling reply[/b] Its BS that TCG excusives dont get hit. [b]But it's true. NOW YOU KNOW.[/b] TGU is still rather good in dark world at 2. I would still run tour guide at 1 in certain decks. Its an easy +1/rank 3 xyz. Pretty much normal summon 17 or zenmaines. [b]TGU is debatable in Dark World, and you're an idiot if you think that's all that plays her =/[/b] I know gravity bind isnt really a threat, but against certain decks while you use nurse burn with 3 reapers, 1 marshmallon, 3 GB, and an area-b it gets slow. [b]>Nurse burn[/b] [b]Idiot[/b] Why no talk of BLS? Its just stupid. [b]LEARN TO READ REKINDLING REPLY[/b] I dont really think anything on my list is unfair, other than the gorz, but i explained that. TGU to 1 and tengu to 2 would change the game alot and it would piss off alot of people, but they should understand that they're broke because they use them. Premature was just my way of replacing reborn, i know you can do that brio thing, but if its that bad just leave call at 2 and have no spell reborn card. [/quote] Your list is idiotic mixed with somewhat intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine Jesse Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1326594891' post='5764739'] Brionac is not fine, true, but without it the only good Level 6 Synchros will become Gaia Knight, Sirius, and Orient Dragon. All rather lackluster compared to other level Synchros. Level 6 Synchros need something good. Besides, its loops are stupid and inconsistent. [/quote] I don't think Brionac should be banned, but Gaia Knight is pretty solid. It runs over most of the important cards out there. Only reason I don't run it is lack of room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 as long as Centipede stays at 3 i'm fine. All I want is BLS banned + Zenmaighty probably hornet limited too but thats i'm biased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DARKPLANT RISING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 poopy, stop posting here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 Why does no one realise that without their Shine Balls Agents have to incorporate some strategy and actually lose a significant amount of consistency since they don't have their Hyperion or Kristya fodder that they strive so hard to achieve? You can kill a deck without making it f***ing terrible. .-. Although Kristya should still go to 1. The sheer notion of keeping Brionac is a terrible idea, it's like saying that if Brio didn't exist then Goyo would be the best Level 6 synchro and because of that it wouldn't get banned. It's completely moronic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1326631706' post='5765094'] The sheer notion of keeping Brionac is a terrible idea, it's like saying that if Brio didn't exist then Goyo would be the best Level 6 synchro and because of that it wouldn't get banned. It's completely moronic. [/quote] Its like they think Konami still cares about Synchros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 everyone uses krystia at 1 so there isnt much point also one day of peace banned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326605332' post='5764903'] Even if we can't ban EVERY OTK, there are still many that deserve it, even without being completely consistent. Future Fusion, on top of making OTKs, is Foolish Burial x2, 3, 5, INFINITY. In Gem-Knights, Future Fusion can be used to dump Lazuli and Shell, which automatically add another copy to hand. It can also be used to set up the grave with more G-K, thanks to Master Dia In Dragons, it's Foolish x5. If foolish is @1, why should it be around as well? Lavals have sweltering field, which is by no means balanced, it's just not as usable as Foolish Burial. Also, ever heard of Painful Choice? It's basically that here. I should not need to elaborate about Machines >> Chain Material is infinite Fusion MAterial and has ZERO use outside of OTKs. There's no strategy to OTK. It's just rehashing the same thing over and over. You can't call that strategy, it just takes memorization. Future Fusion is nothing but Super Foolish + OTK fuel. That shouldn't be allowed to run around, even at 1. It's horrible card design. Zenmaity > Hunter Rescue Cat > Airbellum Venus > Shine Ball Stop being stupid [/quote] Venus has specific targets, while cat and zenmaighty can search a whole lot. Zenmaighty to 1 would be the smartest banlist choice. And on BLS, for the whatever-ith time I've said it, konami didn't reprint it in ocglands for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Ctrl+Alt+Win' timestamp='1326647844' post='5765306'] Venus has specific targets, while cat and zenmaighty can search a whole lot. Zenmaighty to 1 would be the smartest banlist choice. And on BLS, for the whatever-ith time I've said it, konami didn't reprint it in ocglands for nothing. [/quote] You missed the signifigance of that. I was saying you cant blame Shine Ball when it's the one being used, not the abuser. And CED and Yata were reprinted, so invalid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAEGING D0GKING Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 ycm are bad konami doesnt ever hit a newly good archetype hard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='RAEGING DOGKING' timestamp='1326656281' post='5765514'] ycm are bad konami doesnt ever hit a newly good archetype hard [/quote] Examples include BWings (which took several list to die and are even now still top tier in OCG) and Plants (which has gone through 2) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326605332' post='5764903'] Chain Material is infinite Fusion MAterial and has ZERO use outside of OTKs. [/quote]Roids /argumentfailure[quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326612761' post='5765012'] Bold is impossible because TCG exclusives, and TGU only needs a semi. [/quote]Gold series 2012. Zenmaines is in there in japan. Also, for me: Ban: FuFu (Bad outside of Loops, dragons, and [s]Roids[/s]. Hunter(This or Maity needs to go(1 for maity). I'd prefer this, as Maity makes wind-ups viable without being loopy hax(I think) but this is bad outside of loop) Dandy/Lonefire(Plants need to die) BLS (Bad for game) Limit: Rabbit (Rabbit is bad for the game) Dragonfly/Hornet (Inzectors are too) Zenmaity (See hunter.) Zenmaines(Limit it's stupid usage. At least with stardust you can run over, but this...grr.) Grapha(Or semi) Semi: Tengu + Tourguide(Won't happen ) Mezuki + Lumina (Zombies + Lightsworns Really need a boost.) Book of moon(Too good for 3, but not good enough for 1.) Monster Gate + reasoning (Do these do anything? Or would 2 be bad? Not sure.) Snoww(Searcher n stuff) Unlimit: MSE(duhhhh) [s]Mega unlimit:[/s] [s]Genex Ally Remote[/s] May have missed something but feh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solemn Silver Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Relius Clover' timestamp='1326655185' post='5765468'] You missed the signifigance of that. I was saying you cant blame Shine Ball when it's the one being used, not the abuser. And CED and Yata were reprinted, so invalid [/quote] CED was in DP kaiba only because kaiba used it in the anime, and yata in retro pack 2, iirc because that was a reprint series of the important old cards. Not so invalid anymore, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilfusion Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 I can see Inzektors and/or Wind-Ups taking small blows, similar to how Infernity post-TSHD got slapped by Limiting Launcher, which murdered their consistency without completely annihilating the Deck's existence. I dont think banning Zenmaity would be a good idea. Before Zenmaity, Wind-Ups were purely casual. Now they're broken. There has to be a middle ground that'll make Wind-Ups still viable, but a match against them not dictated by Rock Paper Scissors. Legendary Six Sams got hit pretty fast. Sams are fine. They're still very good, of course, but they aren't in the same league of brokenness they used to be. Shine Ball isnt a problem, nor is Venus. Hyperion and Kristya are problems in Agents, and Kristya is already semi-ed. They might Limit it because a 2800 SS lockdown is a bit too good in many situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 If a Vanilla hits the list I am going to quit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Monsieur Léo' timestamp='1326668349' post='5765799'] If a Vanilla hits the list I am going to quit. [/quote] 4 already have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Leo Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Evil Tristan' timestamp='1326669217' post='5765806'] 4 already have. [/quote] Well, besides those. I totally forgot about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 [quote name='Evoltile Westlo' timestamp='1326659107' post='5765611'] Roids /argumentfailureGold series 2012. Zenmaines is in there in japan. Also, for me: Ban: FuFu (Bad outside of Loops, dragons, and [s]Roids[/s]. Hunter(This or Maity needs to go(1 for maity). I'd prefer this, as Maity makes wind-ups viable without being loopy hax(I think) but this is bad outside of loop) Dandy/Lonefire(Plants need to die) BLS (Bad for game) Limit: Rabbit (Rabbit is bad for the game) Dragonfly/Hornet (Inzectors are too) Zenmaity (See hunter.) Zenmaines(Limit it's stupid usage. At least with stardust you can run over, but this...grr.) Semi: Tengu + Tourguide(Won't happen ) Mezuki + Lumina (Zombies + Lightsworns Really need a boost.) Book of moon(Too good for 3, but not good enough for 1.) Monster Gate + reasoning (Do these do anything? Or would 2 be bad? Not sure.) Unlimit: MSE(duhhhh) [s]Mega unlimit:[/s] [s]Genex Ally Remote[/s] May have missed something but feh. [/quote] Hunter discarding the hand isn't the problem, Maity providing infinite card advantage is the problem. Banning Hunter will do nothing, the consistent FTK deck will only turn into a consistent OTK deck. You only need 1 Zenmaines. Since when did Book of Moon become broken at 3? I still don't know the reason why it was put to 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1326669992' post='5765822'] Hunter discarding the hand isn't the problem, Maity providing infinite card advantage is the problem. Banning Hunter will do nothing, the consistent FTK deck will only turn into a consistent OTK deck. You only need 1 Zenmaines. Since when did Book of Moon become broken at 3? I still don't know the reason why it was put to 1. [/quote]I said or for a reason. People run 2. It's freaking AFJKJLLINBKVUFYT^GFRS*&UERGFB*GN ...Besides, who runs more than 2 krystia, 2 JD, 1 BRD, etc? Pointless Limits(Or previous ones) that just punish the people that overuse them just to annoy the F*&$% out of others and set-up. @3 makes it an annoying hazard that also makes Jar consistent, and konami doesn't like that. 2 Would be a happy medium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Evoltile Westlo' timestamp='1326672034' post='5765879'] I said or for a reason. People run 2. It's freaking AFJKJLLINBKVUFYT^GFRS*&UERGFB*GN ...Besides, who runs more than 2 krystia, 2 JD, 1 BRD, etc? Pointless Limits(Or previous ones) that just punish the people that overuse them just to annoy the F*&$% out of others and set-up. @3 makes it an annoying hazard that also makes Jar consistent, and konami doesn't like that. 2 Would be a happy medium. [/quote] I said you'd prefer Hunter banned. I was just pointing out why Maity needed to get hit instead. There's not enough space in the Extra deck to run 2 Zems. Besides there are plenty of ways to get rid of it(Bounce, Banish, Fiendish Chain,etc) The deck is still consistent with Book at 2. Just ban the Jar and put Book at 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airride Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1326673334' post='5765905'] I said you'd prefer Hunter banned. I was just pointing out why Maity needed to get hit instead. There's not enough space in the Extra deck to run 2 Zems. Besides there are plenty of ways to get rid of it(Bounce, Banish, Fiendish Chain,etc) The deck is still consistent with Book at 2. Just ban the Jar and put Book at 3. [/quote]It's my personal opinion, but it's a silly one, sure. You'd be surprised. I just assumed, but I think book at 2 would still be best for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 [quote name='Evoltile Westlo' timestamp='1326659107' post='5765611'] Roids /argumentfailure Gold series 2012. Zenmaines is in there in japan. [/quote] Okay, 1 use among a multitude of OTKs, that's still not a reason at all. Forgot about that [quote name='Ctrl+Alt+Win' timestamp='1326659311' post='5765616'] CED was in DP kaiba only because kaiba used it in the anime, and yata in retro pack 2, iirc because that was a reprint series of the important old cards. Not so invalid anymore, eh? [/quote] It's still Invalid. Your argument is that exceptions to the rule don't matter ._. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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