Level 5...? What's this?

[Resident Fascist]

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[center]Because I'm a lazy ass, it now has an effect:[/center]
[center][b]"Once per turn: You can pay 1000 Lifepoints and target 1 "Tech-Mech" In your Graveyard or Hand: Special Summon that target."[/b][/center]

[center]So, please find me 3 uses for this card in a practical situation. Any comments simply regarding it's a level 5 with 500ATK, which is too low or something will be regarded to as spam and ignored. Follow the advanced clause, I'd prefer 3 valid comments over 15 useless comments. Also, epic fail grammar error is a fail. "Its" not "It's" Urgh, lemme fix that.[/center]

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This card has very few practical uses.

It has the fact that with Chaos-End Master it becomes Chaos fodder. Machine Dupe is a pretty terrible basis for calling it good, because it'd only be a 1-1 basis and if you don't have one or the other the combo is terrible. Being a Debris target here is useless, since there is nothing at all to summon.

The card itself is competitively inept, since it requires you to use bad cards for it to work. This, however, cannot be improved, since it's a vanilla.

[Resident Fascist]

[quote name='evilchris' timestamp='1330803110' post='5854267']
This card has very few practical uses.

It has the fact that with Chaos-End Master it becomes Chaos fodder. Machine Dupe is a pretty terrible basis for calling it good, because it'd only be a 1-1 basis and if you don't have one or the other the combo is terrible. Being a Debris target here is useless, since there is nothing at all to summon.

The card itself is competitively inept, since it requires you to use bad cards for it to work. This, however, cannot be improved, since it's a vanilla.
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Granted, but I didn't say competetive, I said practical but w/e.I didn't say it was good because of Machine Dupe, it just seemed like a intresting idea, so why not? I might give it an effect that's something like "Pay 1000: Special one Tech-Mech from your Hand or Graveyard" or something.

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[quote name='Order-Sol' timestamp='1330803269' post='5854273']
Granted, but I didn't say competetive, I said practical but w/e.I didn't say it was good because of Machine Dupe, it just seemed like a intresting idea, so why not? I might give it an effect that's something like "Pay 1000: Special one Tech-Mech from your Hand or Graveyard" or something.
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That actually makes it much more competitively useful. But still kinda hard to use.

In a mostly dedicated deck, this could then easily become a rank 5 "spammer".

[Sleepy]

OCG:
Life [b]P[/b]oints
[b]h[/b]and or Graveyard (you adress "hand" first)

As for the effect, it is actually ok since you can loop it as long as you have LIfe.
You Summon one, Machine Dupe it, use 1 of them for a Synchro, pay 1000 and bring him back, get another Synchro, and so on until you get tired of it and decide to Xyz with the last ones.

If you make it a Tuner, you can do Level Eater Synchro spam. just need Myst Wumrs and Hyper Librarian.


errr... I've got nothing....

[ragnarok1945]

Sorry Mars, this is just too damn weak to hold its own

it would have been a lot better if you had allowed the target to be special summoned, but then said something like it would be treated as a tuner monster until the end phase. Then, as a drawback, if you use that effect, the Tech-Mech monster you just summoned via that effect has to go to the graveyard during the end phase (if it's still on the field, of course)

[Sander]

[quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1330814375' post='5854534']
Sorry Mars, this is just too damn weak to hold its own
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Do you not know how to read and connect the dots? evilchris already said that the new effect version in a dedicated deck is a easy Rank 5 spammer. The fact is that the monster isn't supposed to hold on on its own. You use cards like Chaos-End Master, Debris Dragon, other revival cards, you get the point, then use a card like Machine Duplication, SS 2 Tech-Mechs from the deck, Xyz into a Rank 5 (probably Number 61), use effect, detaching Tech-Mech, use last Tech-Mechs effect, SS a Tech-Mech from the Graveyard, Xyz again into a Rank 5. Really, it's not that hard to figure out.

Either that, or if you opened with lets say, 2 Tech-Mechs, you can still easily go into a Rank 5 if you get a Tech-Mech out.

tl;dr: This card isn't meant to "hold its own", as it's primary focus is to Synchro / Xyz Summon.

[WhoAreYou?]

Tech Mech pulls out a Tech Mech, 2nd Tech Mech pulls out a 3rd Tech Mech.

Xyz for Dborak/Zenmaioh/other rank 5 Xyz monsters/Gaia Dragoon (after xyz summoning a rank 5/6 monster).
or
Tune a Tech Mech with a tuner for Stardust/Black Rose/Scrap Dragon/Brionac/ect.
or
Use as tribute fodder, especially in a Monarch deck
or
Have 2 Tech Mechs on the field, use one as Fusion Material in HEROes, then bring the Tech Mech back using the other Tech Mech

Can be Special Summoned/searched out easily with Chaos End Master, Debris Dragon, Limit Reverse, Sangan, Foolish, Tomato, Machine Duplication, other cards

[quote name='ragnarok1945' timestamp='1330814375' post='5854534']
Sorry Mars, this is just too damn weak to hold its own
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By itself, yup. BUUUUUUUUUUUT....
Honestly, I can see this being limited or even banned. It's a better version of Malicious, IMO.

[Sander]

[quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1330819146' post='5854716']
Honestly, I can see this being limited or even banned. It's a better version of Malicious, IMO.
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You think that this is better than Malicious? LOLOLOLOLOL, were you not around when Malicious was @3? Malicious requires to be in the Graveyard to use its effect, this requires to be face-up on the field. Being in the Graveyard is better than being on the field, especially in this case, since you either have to Tribute Summon Tech-Mech or use revival cards to get it out on the field. Malicious just requires a Destiny Draw / Dark Grepher / Armageddon Knight etc. etc.

tl:dr; This isn't better than Malicious. And no, this wouldn't be limited (WHY WOULD YOU EVEN THINK IT WOULD BE, KINDA COUNTER EFFECTIVE, DON'T YOU THINK?) or banned, because it's not broken.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

I actually liked it better as a Vanilla.

I dunno, you should make two separate cards - the Vanilla version of Tech-Mech, and something like, say, Tech-Mech #2, that SS-es a "Tech Mech" monster OPT. I usually don't say "make support" for a Vanilla, but in this case I'd say it's the better choice, given it's underpowered right now.

Also, rag needs to stop posting in threads made for smart people.

[WhoAreYou?]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1330819880' post='5854756']
You think that this is better than Malicious? LOLOLOLOLOL, were you not around when Malicious was @3? Malicious requires to be in the Graveyard to use its effect, this requires to be face-up on the field. Being in the Graveyard is better than being on the field, especially in this case, since you either have to Tribute Summon Tech-Mech or use revival cards to get it out on the field. Malicious just requires a Destiny Draw / Dark Grepher / Armageddon Knight etc. etc.

tl:dr; This isn't better than Malicious. And no, this wouldn't be limited (WHY WOULD YOU EVEN THINK IT WOULD BE, KINDA COUNTER EFFECTIVE, DON'T YOU THINK?) or banned, because it's not broken.
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It's still easier to pull out Tech Mech than Malicious. Plus, you don't need to banish anything to keep using the Tech Mech.
And who the hell would Tribute Summon Tech Mech? Just Special Summon it, have two in the grave, and you're good to go.
Plus, I can see total Synchro abuse here.

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[quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1330820918' post='5854813']
It's still easier to pull out Tech Mech than Malicious. Plus, you don't need to banish anything to keep using the Tech Mech.
And who the hell would Tribute Summon Tech Mech? Just Special Summon it, have two in the grave, and you're good to go.
Plus, I can see total Synchro abuse here.
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"It's easier to Summon a level 5 than it is to mill or discard a Dark Destiny HERO monster."

[Sander]

[quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1330820918' post='5854813']
It's still easier to pull out Tech Mech than Malicious. Plus, you don't need to banish anything to keep using the Tech Mech.
And who the hell would Tribute Summon Tech Mech? Just Special Summon it, have two in the grave, and you're good to go.
Plus, I can see total Synchro abuse here.
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How hard is to see that this requires more set-up than Maliciuous does? :I

EDIT: Ninja'd by Tristan. Actually doesn't feel that bad.

[WhoAreYou?]

[quote name='evilchris' timestamp='1330821247' post='5854834']
"It's easier to Summon a level 5 than it is to mill or discard a Dark Destiny HERO monster."
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Malicious is special summoned from the deck through the other's effect. Draw the second Malicous while the first one is in your grave, you're screwed.
Tech Mech is special summoned from your hand or grave through the other's effect. Have one in your hand OR grave while one is on the field, you can begin explosions.
That's part of what I mean.

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[quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1330824255' post='5854986']
Malicious is special summoned from the deck through the other's effect. Draw the second Malicous while the first one is in your grave, you're screwed.
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Screwed as in Plaugespreader-Zombie-Doesn't-Exist-Screwed.

[WhoAreYou?]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330825186' post='5855009']
Screwed as in Plaugespreader-[b]Was-Already-Used-[/b]Screwed.
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Fixed.

[DARKPLANT RISING]

[quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1330845879' post='5855596']
Fixed.
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You don't use Plaguepsreader without thinking.

[Sander]

[quote name='Darkplant - VENOM' timestamp='1330849114' post='5855649']
You don't use Plaguepsreader without thinking.
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Kinda pointless to reason with DJVD, as he's already set his mind to the idea that this card is easier to use than Malicious.

[WhoAreYou?]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1330866834' post='5855840']
Kinda pointless to reason with DJVD, as he's already set his mind to the idea that this card is easier to use than Malicious.
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Exactly. Just like evilchris, you can't change my mind.

[J-Max]

[quote name='Zanda Panda' timestamp='1330866834' post='5855840']
Kinda pointless to reason with DJVD, as he's already set his mind to the idea that this card is easier to use than Malicious.
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Wait, how is this easier to use then Malicious? It's a Vanilla meaning that it would require other cards to even get a use out of it. This card would go well with Limit Reverse as its a Level 5 and most Limit Reversable targets are Level 4 or below. Also this plus mostly any Tuner equals a pretty decent Synchro.

This card is better used from the Grave in my opinion. Dump it using a Card Discard effect then SS it.

[WhoAreYou?]

[quote name='Moe Fantastico J-Max' timestamp='1330875356' post='5856028']
Wait, how is this easier to use then Malicious? It's a Vanilla meaning that it would require other cards to even get a use out of it. This card would go well with Limit Reverse as its a Level 5 and most Limit Reversable targets are Level 4 or below. Also this plus mostly any Tuner equals a pretty decent Synchro.

This card is better used from the Grave in my opinion. Dump it using a Card Discard effect then SS it.
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First off, it's not a vanilla because it has an effect now. The guy's just lazy and decided not to fix the card itself.
Second, I like your other ideas.
I see this more as Xyz abusable than Synchro abusable. I dunno.

[J-Max]

Ah, just noticed the effect now. Curse me just looking at the card XD Needs to be Banish from the hand or Grave otherwise this is way too abusable. Either that or make the Life Point cost more threatening, say 2000. Otherwise, you;'re getting a Tech Mech almost every turn and if you running any kind of Life Gain, you won't even feel a thing. Also you could easily summon all three of this card seeing as the Once Per Turn effect only applies to the first card, the Special Summoned monster would then be allowed to use the effect.

Rewritten effect in my opinion.

Once per turn you can pay 2000 Life Points and target a "Tech Mech" monster from your hand or Graveyard. Special Summon the target to your field in face-up Attack Position. The effect of the Special Summoned monster is negated until your next turn.

[Sander]

[quote name='Moe Fantastico J-Max' timestamp='1330875982' post='5856043']
Rewritten effect in my opinion.

Once per turn you can pay 2000 Life Points and target a "Tech Mech" monster from your hand or Graveyard. Special Summon the target to your field in face-up Attack Position. The effect of the Special Summoned monster is negated until your next turn.
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Oh look, another person who lacks the knowledge of the meta and the game altogether is calling a balanced card broken. :I Your fix would make the card worse. :I

[J-Max]

Well at least I tried :/ Oh and don't you dare compare me to Rag. I can see it coming. Also as I said for 2000 Life Points you can Summon all 3 of this card. Is that balanced? Hell no.....

[Resident Fascist]

[quote name='Moe Fantastico J-Max' timestamp='1330882522' post='5856176']
Is that balanced? Hell no.....
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Hi there.