Wizarus Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 The wall of text isn't saving it from being terrible. They could have given it 2200 defense, at least it would have made it a somewhat decent vanilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1333226563' post='5896435'] The wall of text isn't saving it from being terrible. They could have given it 2200 defense, at least it would have made it a somewhat decent vanilla. [/quote] The reason Vanillas are [b]even [/b]invented are because of their flavour :S Its flavour is good, therefore it's good design. Any competitive uses is simply a bonus, especially since people forget that not every card in a set has to be competitive anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizarus Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333226773' post='5896439'] The reason Vanillas are [b]even [/b]invented are because of their flavour :S Its flavour is good, therefore it's good design. Any competitive uses is simply a bonus, especially since people forget that not every card in a set has to be competitive anyway. [/quote] Then they should have given it flavour with good stats, especially if its going to be a sneak. I didn't mind Alexandrite at all, but this is just disappointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Wizarus' timestamp='1333228068' post='5896452'] Then they should have given it flavour with good stats, especially if its going to be a sneak. I didn't mind Alexandrite at all, but this is just disappointing. [/quote] Considering that basically every other card in the set is either an Xyz set to sell for tons, an archetype monster, a really bad archetype support, or just generally a badly designed card, this isn't a bad sneak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Î’yakuya Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 The lore seems beautiful, and the other stats are great as well. Probably gonna find out how to fit this in with Rabbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 It's tied with X-Saber Anu and Dark Blade for the strongest level 4, normal, warrior monster (higher defensive than both). Yet, people still complain? Some people are just never satisfied with what they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 We've been spoilt with all these overpowered TCG exclusives. So we're completely lost when it comes to normal balance levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333226773' post='5896439'] The reason Vanillas are [b]even [/b]invented are because of their flavour :S Its flavour is good, therefore it's good design. Any competitive uses is simply a bonus, especially since people forget that not every card in a set has to be competitive anyway. [/quote] You can do flavor without making vanillas. The art and names can also do that. Just having good flavour isn't good design. [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1333228623' post='5896462'] It's tied with X-Saber Anu and Dark Blade for the strongest level 4, normal, warrior monster (higher defensive than both). Yet, people still complain? Some people are just never satisfied with what they get. [/quote] That isn't the problem. The card is perfectly fine as a card in the set. The problem is this being the sneak peak card. [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333228780' post='5896466'] We've been spoilt with all these overpowered TCG exclusives. So we're completely lost when it comes to normal balance levels. [/quote] Again, you want a sneak peak card to be splashy. This is not. This is underwhelming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1333228816' post='5896467'] That isn't the problem. The card is perfectly fine as a card in the set. The problem is this being the sneak peak card. [/quote] So you believe that a sneak card should be a high money card or broken? This card does have uses in Solid Rabbit Excalibur, which isn't as bad as it sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 No, the real problem is that people that play MTG bitch if a CARD game isn't JUST LIKE MTG. Really, this card is a lot like MTG as opposed to previous cards yet all you've done is complain. Why? It's at the sneak, which isn't a valid reason to butch at all. If you don't want it, don't go to the sneak. Honestly, I say giving away a card that works in multiples only at the sneak is a lot worse than going a flavorful vanilla that leads to the next pack's covercard. It's meant to be iconic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1333228816' post='5896467'] You can do flavor without making vanillas. The art and names can also do that. The card design has nothing to do with the flavor. They exists on separate axes. That isn't the problem. The card is perfectly fine as a card in the set. The problem is this being the sneak peak card. [/quote] Little Pig From Pigland [1800 ATK/1600 DEF/FIRE/Beast-Type] [i]fat cow.[/i] This is bad design. Even though it's a decent card. It is a good sneak though :S it's either this, or some random Hieratic or some Xyz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1333228816' post='5896467'] Again, you want a sneak peak card to be [i][b]splashy[/b][/i]. [/quote] YOU HEARD THE MAN! WE NEED MORE TENGUS! I'm never interested in sneaks anyway. Only going to this one cuz Gaov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Lightray Daedalus- Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1333229002' post='5896472'] No, the real problem is that people that play MTG b**** if a CARD game isn't JUST LIKE MTG. Really, this card is a lot like MTG as opposed to previous cards yet all you've done is complain. Why? It's at the sneak, which isn't a valid reason to butch at all. If you don't want it, don't go to the sneak. [/quote] Dude Chill out with the MTGHATE...nobody ever mentioned MTG in this discussion save for refering to the Art but come on... People here only complains coz they are only getting a vanilla and not something more...powerful...more specifically they want an Xyz Sneak Peak Card... OT: I like the Card TBH...I really would like if this is actually part of Heroic Challengers thought...Please Please Please Konami do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Implying that Xyz Veil, Archfiend Empress, Inzektor Axe, Colossal Fight/Buster, Battlestorm, Gardestrike, Koaki Beetle, Gravekeeper's Priestess, or Boggart Knight were more splashable than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 This + Dark Blade for Chaos Bushi Rabbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1333228882' post='5896468'] So you believe that a sneak card should be a high money card or broken? This card does have uses in Solid Rabbit Excalibur, which isn't as bad as it sounds. [/quote] There is such a thing as a middle term. Not money card, not too flat either. This card is a vanilla that doesn't really do anything new. For example, being used for Excalibur with Rabbit, is something we already have more than enough materials for in this game. Dark Blade, that X-Saber card, Sparkman, and even Celtic Guardian if you want. Then among those, Dark Blade is a DARK with lolFusion and lolUnion extra bonus potential. That X-Saber card is part of..well... X-Sabers, automatically getting the archtype support. Sparkman opens the possibility of Omni HERO cards. All of them while being able to do the same as this. The sneak card doesn't have to be game breaking, but at least it has to be appealing enough. That, or at least introduce some more options like the other cards I mentioned already do. at least it's better than Generation Force's sneak card I guess.....[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333229456' post='5896482'] Implying that Xyz Veil, Archfiend Empress, Inzektor Axe, Colossal Fight/Buster, Battlestorm, Gardestrike, Koaki Beetle, Gravekeeper's Priestess, or Boggart Knight were more splashable than this. [/quote] That we had other sh*ty sneak cards in the past doesn't justify this card. Though yeah... looking at those names, this card can actually be considered an improvement in comparison to some of those.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miror B Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 Idk about you guys but I'm playing Solid Warrior Rabbit Chaos with this and Darksoul as my vanillas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Berry Punch~' timestamp='1333229830' post='5896491'] There is such a thing as a middle term. Not money card, not too flat either. This card is a vanilla that doesn't really do anything new. For example, being used for Excalibur with Rabbit, is something we already have more than enough materials for in this game. Dark Blade, that X-Saber card, Sparkman, and even Celtic Guardian if you want. Then among those, Dark Blade is a DARK with lolFusion and lolUnion extra bonus potential. That X-Saber card is part of..well... X-Sabers, automatically getting the archtype support. Sparkman opens the possibility of Omni HERO cards. All of them while being able to do the same as this. The sneak card doesn't have to be game breaking, but at least it has to be appealing enough. That, or at least introduce some more options like the other cards I mentioned already do. at least it's better than Generation Force's sneak card I guess..... [/quote] - It runs over Guaiba - It can't be run over by Guaiba, even with something like Book of Moon or Maestro Djinn thing. - It runs over Laggia and Dolkka with Solidarity - This has a decent deck Sparkman get lost. Edit: Also, I like how the most discussion we've had on a card for ages is on a Vanilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Legend Zero' timestamp='1333228882' post='5896468'] So you believe that a sneak card should be a high money card or broken? This card does have uses in Solid Rabbit Excalibur, which isn't as bad as it sounds. [/quote] No. I want one that is exciting and does something cool. Hell, I'm fine if it isn't competitive playable. As a vanilla that just can't happen. [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1333229002' post='5896472'] No, the real problem is that people that play MTG bitch if a CARD game isn't JUST LIKE MTG. Really, this card is a lot like MTG as opposed to previous cards yet all you've done is complain. Why? It's at the sneak, which isn't a valid reason to butch at all. If you don't want it, don't go to the sneak. [/quote] If you are commenting on a card from a game B you shouldn't expect it to be like a card from game A. When I do comment I yugioh cards I never do so I'm not sure why your saying this. Hell, I don't want Yugioh to be MTG. I want Yugioh to be Yugioh. So why did you even say that? I like this card just fine. I've said that many times. I don't like this as the sneak card. And I'm not so much bitching as confused. I just don't get the argument for this being a good sneak card. Cool, tell me not to go to the sneak peak because I don't like the card I get. That does the EXACT opposite of what you want a sneak peak card to do. The sneak peak card should never make someone not want to go (if I wanted to go this wouldn't stop me) but make you want to go even more and push people on the fence over the top. [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1333229002' post='5896472'] Honestly, I say giving away a card that works in multiples only at the sneak is a lot worse than going a flavorful vanilla that leads to the next pack's covercard. It's meant to be iconic. [/quote] Ok, that is good and I agree. But you can't do that without using a normal monster. [quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1333229280' post='5896476'] YOU HEARD THE MAN! WE NEED MORE TENGUS! I'm never interested in sneaks anyway. Only going to this one cuz Gaov. [/quote] God no. Might not have been the best word. Should have just used cool. I used better adjectives in this post for what I like in a sneak peak card. [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333229456' post='5896482'] Implying that Xyz Veil, Archfiend Empress, Inzektor Axe, Colossal Fight/Buster, Battlestorm, Gardestrike, Koaki Beetle, Gravekeeper's Priestess, or Boggart Knight were more splashable than this. [/quote] Splashy was a poor word choise. And I didn't mean splashable. Splashy effects are more basic effects made interesting. As said should have said cool or the words I use above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1333230192' post='5896498'] - It runs over Guaiba - It can't be run over by Guaiba, even with something like Book of Moon or Maestro Djinn thing. - It runs over Laggia and Dolkka with Solidarity - This has a decent deck Sparkman get lost. Edit: Also, I like how the most discussion we've had on a card for ages is on a Vanilla. [/quote] I like discussing on the vanilla, because even though the mat is a pretty badass image, it's not exactly among my top choices for a mat image... idk what it is about it... and vanillas are boss, [s]except Frog the Jam[/s]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 I dunno about you, but the mat interests me a heck of a lot more than the sneak card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Zero Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Berry Punch~' timestamp='1333230042' post='5896491'] There is such a thing as a middle term. Not money card, not too flat either. This card is a vanilla that doesn't really do anything new. For example, being used for Excalibur with Rabbit, is something we already have more than enough materials for in this game. Dark Blade, that X-Saber card, Sparkman, and even Celtic Guardian if you want. Then among those, Dark Blade is a DARK with lolFusion and lolUnion extra bonus potential. That X-Saber card is part of..well... X-Sabers, automatically getting the archtype support. Sparkman opens the possibility of Omni HERO cards. All of them while being able to do the same as this. The sneak card doesn't have to be game breaking, but at least it has to be appealing enough. That, or at least introduce some more options like the other cards I mentioned already do. [/quote] Arma = DARK Bushi = DARK Necro Guardna = DARK Dopplewarrior = DARK Junk Synchron = DARK Dark Blade = DARK Sparkman = LIGHT (I'll give you this but see Rai's runover post) This = LIGHT It's not OMG amazing, but it does fill a spot better. I'm confused about the Celtic Guardian argument because people said they wanted better stats, which this has over Celtic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 >1800 ATK >LIGHT >Normal >Rabbit banishes itself >Warrior-Type This isn't rocket science. This is indirect Bushi support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brinolovania Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Flame Dragon' timestamp='1333228816' post='5896467'] Just having good flavour isn't good design. That isn't the problem. The card is perfectly fine as a card in the set. The problem is this being the sneak card. [/quote]1.In the case of a vanilla, it is. I mean, we already have almost every conceivable stat used somewhere, and a lot of different ATK/DEF/Type/Attribute combinations. And in the game now, vanillas barely do anything, and are really just more boring than effect monsters. The only possible way to make them cool is to have good flavor, which this obviously has. 2.I actually like it as the sneak card. For one thing, in the pod tournament, an 1800/1800 is really nice to have. Also, this is a card that you really don't want to buy, but would be cool to own for collection purposes, so getting a guaranteed copy for going to the sneak is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Dragon Posted March 31, 2012 Report Share Posted March 31, 2012 [quote name='Pacmanexus' timestamp='1333233919' post='5896558'] 1.In the case of a vanilla, it is. I mean, we already have almost every conceivable stat used somewhere, and a lot of different ATK/DEF/Type/Attribute combinations. And in the game now, vanillas barely do anything, and are really just more boring than effect monsters. The only possible way to make them cool is to have good flavor, which this obviously has. 2.I actually like it as the sneak card. For one thing, in the pod tournament, an 1800/1800 is really nice to have. Also, this is a card that you really don't want to buy, but would be cool to own for collection purposes, so getting a guaranteed copy for going to the sneak is good. [/quote] While good flavor is nice it still doesn't make the game design good. Actual card design is the turning of the knobs to get things just in the right place for the set needs and that is what makes it good. Just because a lot of the path has been taken already you would be suprise how much space is still open. Ok, that is a fair argument and I can see the logic you used to end up at it. I'll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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