Agro Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 [img]http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090130211139/yugioh/images/thumb/7/77/Tribe-InfectingVirusSD4-EN-C-1E.jpg/300px-Tribe-InfectingVirusSD4-EN-C-1E.jpg[/img] So I'm told that the walking Lightning Vortex on steroids isn't as good as lightning-vortex. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Genuinely shouldn't be banned, but it's still kinda dodgy in design. People shouldn't be majorly punished for running certain decks, which is why it's bad design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mido9 Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 How awkward. Okay,against inzektors: They xyz into stuff and he turns into a smashing ground at the cost of himself + a card in hand,okay. Against wind ups: Varied types everywhere,he will never be more than a smashing ground per discard so vortex is better. Against Rabbit: Laggia AND dolkka can negate it. Yugioh players are reasonably intelligent enough not to go crazy unless they know they're fine with losing the things they have,if i have a monster on my side of the field i left there this format for the opponent to eat it's either:[list] [*]Fulfilled it's purpose and got a +1 or 2 and maybe ran over something for more +es or just killed you with it's burn or attack. [*]A floater that I don't particularly mind losing. [*]Bait for your removal. [*]Protection like laggia or whatever. [*]Something i made for free and wouldnt lose much if it went away,or i wouldve protected it or did [i][b]SOMETHING[/b][/i] with it if it was valuable. [/list] Lightning vortex VS TIV(assuming in all cases tribe dies next turn which would happen if your opponent wasnt an idiot): TIV vs field of 1 = -1 and took your normal summon,LV vs field of 1 = -1 and didnt take normal summon or get so easily disrupted with veiler. TIV vs field of 2 Varied = -1 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 2 Varied = 0 and didnt take normal summon or get so easy disrupted with veiler. TIV vs field of 2 Same = 0 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 2 Same = 0 and didnt take normal summon. TIV vs field of 3 Varied = -1 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 3 varied = +1 and didnt take normal summon. TIV vs field of 3 Same = +1 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 3 Same = +1 and didnt take normal summon. See? In every case with tribe lightning vortex does it equally or better in his removal bit without taking your normal summon or leaving you with a pathetic field of 1600 aqua water. Kay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomflyingobjects Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Basically, it can destroy any 1 monster on the field, and potentially more depending on the cards on the field. Of course you might have to destroy some of your own cards, but it's unlikely. Anyone who runs decks slightly leaning towards any specific type would be doomed the moment this card hits the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='mido9' timestamp='1334349456' post='5912593'] How awkward. Okay,against inzektors: They xyz into stuff and he turns into a smashing ground at the cost of himself + a card in hand,okay. Against wind ups: Varied types everywhere,he will never be more than a smashing ground per discard so vortex is better. Against Rabbit: Laggia AND dolkka can negate it. Yugioh players are reasonably intelligent enough not to go crazy unless they know they're fine with losing the things they have,if i have a monster on my side of the field i left there this format for the opponent to eat it's either:[list] [*]Fulfilled it's purpose and got a +1 or 2 and maybe ran over something for more +es or just killed you with it's burn or attack. [*]A floater that I don't particularly mind losing. [*]Bait for your removal. [*]Protection like laggia or whatever. [*]Something i made for free and wouldnt lose much if it went away,or i wouldve protected it or did [i][b]SOMETHING[/b][/i] with it if it was valuable. [/list] Lightning vortex VS TIV(assuming in all cases tribe dies next turn which would happen if your opponent wasnt an idiot): TIV vs field of 1 = -1 and took your normal summon,LV vs field of 1 = -1 and didnt take normal summon or get so easily disrupted with veiler. TIV vs field of 2 Varied = -1 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 2 Varied = 0 and didnt take normal summon or get so easy disrupted with veiler. TIV vs field of 2 Same = 0 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 2 Same = 0 and didnt take normal summon. TIV vs field of 3 Varied = -2 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 3 varied = +1 and didnt take normal summon. TIV vs field of 3 Same = +1 and took normal summon, LV vs field of 3 Same = +1 and didnt take normal summon. See? In every case with tribe lightning vortex does it equally or better in his removal bit without taking your normal summon or leaving you with a pathetic field of 1600 aqua water. Kay? [/quote] I'm pretty sure having a 1600 beatstick is a good thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I'm pretty sure monster revival is abundant. Although even then this doesn't seem all too good anymore. Probably just Konami playing it safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~British Soul~ Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 imho, i don't really see much wrong with this card now, as much as i would like it to come off the list, T-SV pretty much ensure it stays in Yugimonz jail indefinately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellar Leonis Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Chris' timestamp='1334350092' post='5912609'] I'm pretty sure monster revival is abundant. [/quote] I believe that not so many people play more than Monster Reborn as the revival card on a generic basis. We do have triple CotH, but it's not seeing play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Guys, its only really a Lightning Vortex if the Opponent's deck consists of the same Attribute. Plus, you would still have to Normal Summon this card and what-not. Vortex is actually better then this card, IMO, then again.... This doesn't have a Once-Per-Turn clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 @mido: Figured we get some smart people in the convo, cause... well, you know DN. The problem isn't necessarily how destructive it isn't in the game at the moment. The problem is how terribly designed the card is. In this current format, sure, it's not going to do everything that it could do in past ones, but wait a format or two and one again, it'd be able to become absolutely horrendous, being able to be used by top tier decks to completely crush lower tier decks. It's just bad design, and why it should stay on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 I want this back so Monster Mash can wreck [s]more[/s] stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Lets be honest, if this was @3, you wouldn't play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 It going to one would be fine, imo :I It's actually sorta on par with vortex. Tribe wastes your NS and might not wipe out everything at once, but this has the potential of being just a -1 instead of a -2, and you can swing for 1600 once you blow up your opponent's stuff. Plus, this can be reborned. I dunno, maybe it's a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 Well, in the current format, if this was legal and somehow saw play, it'd most likely be used for Xyz food after it's effect was used, rather than stay as a 1600 ATK monster as people may think. I still don't find this card worth being banned anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 13, 2012 Report Share Posted April 13, 2012 [quote name='Armadilloz' timestamp='1334351164' post='5912639'] Guys, its only really a Lightning Vortex if the Opponent's deck consists of the same Attribute. Plus, you would still have to Normal Summon this card and what-not. Vortex is actually better then this card, IMO, then again.... This doesn't have a Once-Per-Turn clause [/quote] If this doesn't have a once per turn, so what? You discard 2+ to destroy their entire field. Guess you feel even worse now, because Vortex could of done it better. :s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomflyingobjects Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Think about it. The opponent summons something big. Next turn, Tribe Infecting Virus discards a card and destroys the new powerful card. Field is likely open, and that's 1600 points lost. Totally broken, and it belong where it is on the ban list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1334361019' post='5912773'] If this doesn't have a once per turn, so what? You discard 2+ to destroy their entire field. Guess you feel even worse now, because Vortex could of done it better. :s [/quote]Yes. Because Vortex can also follow up by attacking directly or being used as Xyz or Synchro Material, or be constantly revived. The card may not do much in the Meta or anything atm, but it was put there for a reason and the just absolutely horrendous design of the card will surely put it back there if it's brought back for a format or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1334364310' post='5912828'] Yes. Because Vortex can also follow up by attacking directly or being used as Xyz or Synchro Material, or be constantly revived. The card may not do much in the Meta or anything atm, but it was put there for a reason and the just absolutely horrendous design of the card will surely put it back there if it's brought back for a format or two. [/quote] Would much rather summon Solemn Judgment than this any day. =/ This wouldn't be good in any big deck right now and the only reason for this to stay banned is if the WATER Structure Deck is any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted April 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='Kokonoe' timestamp='1334364615' post='5912837'] Would much rather summon Solemn Judgment than this any day. =/ This wouldn't be good in any big deck right now [/quote][quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1334364310' post='5912828'] The card may not do much in the Meta or anything atm, but [/quote]And people say I don't read. No, but yeah, as I said. It doesn't really matter if it isn't good now, because 1) the card you just gave, Laggia, shouldn't even exist, and 2) It'll be banned later for the same reason it was banned before. It's such a terribly designed card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Althemia Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='Aggro' timestamp='1334364887' post='5912846'] And people say I don't read. No, but yeah, as I said. It doesn't really matter if it isn't good now, because 1) the card you just gave, Laggia, shouldn't even exist, and 2) It'll be banned later for the same reason it was banned before. It's such a terribly designed card. [/quote] No it won't. Rabbit will be. Rabbit's the problem. Now shut up and stop being terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Fableds. Can discard more than once per turn. Destroys ALL monsters of the same type, especially with today's format, having decks full of monsters of the same types. This would be anti-meta if you thinkg about it. Yup, stay banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1334365783' post='5912872'] Fableds. [/quote] Yea- no. Fableds don't want Lightning Vortex, and they don't really care for Snipe Hunter and the like as more than a Side Tech, Between 1501+ ATK and everything, I'd almost rather run Snipe Hunter over it, even in the side. I don't see any reason to run this in the current format. That said, it IS bad design, even if it ends up not working well ever again, so hopefully it just stays banned because of that so that this discussion is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1334365985' post='5912878'] Yea- no. Fableds don't want Lightning Vortex, and they don't really care for Snipe Hunter and the like as more than a Side Tech, Between 1501+ ATK and everything, I'd almost rather run Snipe Hunter over it, even in the side. I don't see any reason to run this in the current format. That said, it IS bad design, even if it ends up not working well ever again, so hopefully it just stays banned because of that so that this discussion is moot. [/quote] K, but I still don't see how this is worse than Snipe Hunter... You have a 33% chance of not hitting what you want, when it comes to Snipe. With the 66% chance in mind, you have to discard more than one card to hit more than one monster. With Virus, you hit the monster(s) 100% of the time, plus you can destroy multiple monsters of the same type if there are any others on the field without having to discard another card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeal Ascendant Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='DJVD' timestamp='1334366471' post='5912886'] K, but I still don't see how this is worse than Snipe Hunter... You have a 33% chance of not hitting what you want, when it comes to Snipe. With the 66% chance in mind, you have to discard more than one card to hit more than one monster. With Virus, you hit the monster(s) 100% of the time, plus you can destroy multiple monsters of the same type if there are any others on the field without having to discard another card. [/quote] Probably has to do with snipe being a fiend and dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoAreYou? Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 [quote name='Ƒrog The Jam' timestamp='1334367240' post='5912896'] Probably has to do with snipe being a fiend and dark. [/quote] Well, okay then. Still don't see it being any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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