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[quote name='-Lightray Daedalus-' timestamp='1335066668' post='5921834']
So people are sad coz a card resulted to be balanced and midly playable...

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Waitwaitwait

The hell is with this? Out of EVERY card that gets posted where people complain about cards not being broken ENOUGH (Read: Gransoil), you choose one where it would be perfectly balanced if it was like Dark Grepher (Never being the problem itself if there was a problem) to b**** about people bitching?

How the f*** does that even begin to make sense?

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[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1335067405' post='5921840']
Waitwaitwait

The hell is with this? Out of EVERY card that gets posted where people complain about cards not being broken ENOUGH (Read: Gransoil), you choose one where it would be perfectly balanced if it was like Dark Grepher (Never being the problem itself if there was a problem) to b**** about people bitching?

How the f*** does that even begin to make sense?
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so, from what I understood, you want it to mill instead of banish? that would result making wulf combos in LS? IMO, it will not be perfectly balanced as mill and not to mention if it was that way, everyone will b**** about it aswell ><
I like how it is that way. need to test to really see how playable it might be :\

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and I dont understand why people are shocked it's not like Dark Grepher. I think it was VERY obvious they won't let it happen.

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[quote name='-Berserker-' timestamp='1335055702' post='5921625']
I hope it's a tuner, to use with D.D. Unicorn Knight.
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It's not.
[quote name='Devil's Advocate' timestamp='1335056149' post='5921638']
At least Dark Grepher is good. This...no.
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Light of Redemption, Burial from a Different Dimension, Return from a Different Dimension, DDR, and so on. You guys are looking at the card by itself. You obviously would need something to get the banished monster back. It's not that hard, either.

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[quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1335067405' post='5921840']
Waitwaitwait

The hell is with this? Out of EVERY card that gets posted where people complain about cards not being broken ENOUGH (Read: Gransoil), you choose one where it would be perfectly balanced if it was like Dark Grepher (Never being the problem itself if there was a problem) to b**** about people bitching?

How the f*** does that even begin to make sense?
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I don't Maybe it must be coz... I HAVEN'T EVEN READ ANY OF THOSE THREADS AND I DO NOT CARE TO READ THEM...and if you think about it is kinda the same way you decided to care that much about one of my posts again and have to b**** about it...

Also this card is perfectly fine...as it gives the game similar effect to other cards but with a twist that makes as much sence,as EARTH's representation of Armaggedon Knight...is fine...

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[quote name='-Doodle' timestamp='1335101067' post='5922041']
so, from what I understood, you want it to mill instead of banish? that would result making wulf combos in LS? IMO, it will not be perfectly balanced as mill and not to mention if it was that way, everyone will b**** about it aswell ><
I like how it is that way. need to test to really see how playable it might be :\

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and I dont understand why people are shocked it's not like Dark Grepher. I think it was VERY obvious they won't let it happen.
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So let me get this straight

Your logic is that an all or nothing card that was badly designed, aka Wulf, makes this broken? Are you daft? Not to mention how Wulf dead draws in the first place and is an overall terrible card, hence ALL OR NOTHING.

It would be fine. Is Dark Grepher broken? No.

I didn't expect it to be like Grepher, I just expected it to mill in exchange for a grave banish or something with better SS conditions instead of LIGHT to DARK SS.

There's no way to defend it not milling because "Wulf exists" is a horrible argument based around a terribly designed card.

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I don't Maybe it must be coz... I HAVEN'T EVEN READ ANY OF THOSE THREADS AND I DO NOT CARE TO READ THEM...and if you think about it is kinda the same way you decided to care that much about one of my posts again and have to b**** about it...

Also this card is perfectly fine...as it gives the game similar effect to other cards but with a twist that makes as much sence,as EARTH's representation of Armaggedon Knight...is fine...
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Then why are you bitching about it? I quote you a lot because all you DO is b****, and this time there was, once again, 0 justification for it, because you were arguing "Why are people mad this isn't balanced, it's perfectly fine in the undermeta being weak", whether you meant to or not.

This card's bad and you should feel bad. It's not fine at all, they basically killed its playability for the same terrible logic of "herpderp wulf exists".

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[quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1335118180' post='5922381']
um, as a lightray, don't they WANT light monsters banished? ya know, so they can do things?
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The main argument is why the hell would someone play this over Gold Sarcophagus.

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Dark Grepher isn't broken, but only because of the discard being subpar to Armageddon Knight, except in Infernity and Dark Counterparts.

Lights, however, love the Graveyard. Lightsworn and Lightrays adore the Graveyard, and sending their monsters to the Graveyard. If Lightray Grepher was like Dark Grepher, it'd be better than Dark Grepher because there are more Light-based cards and strategies that would like the effect.

Agents have Hyperion and stuff, Lightsworn have...the entire archetype.

As it is, the card is mediocre, but I see no real urgency to make it a Dark Grepher. This card is very interesting, especially when considering some of the RFG support.

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[quote name='Daemon' timestamp='1335067000' post='5921837']
[img]http://www.decklists.net//images/ohmydeckdb/Tree%20Of%20Redemption.jpg[/img]
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tut. http://forum.yugiohcardmaker.net/topic/281761-mtg-protective-words/

And I'm pretty sure everyone realised it wasn't going to be like Dark Grepher, in the same way the Lightray counterparts are rather different.

It's still bad. We're all focusing on combos. All combos with this card are terrible.

Light of Redemption is a -1 with this card. With Chaos Sorcerer, it's probably gonna turn out as a +0 (+1 including Chaos Sorcerer banishing crap).

[quote name='werewolfjedi' timestamp='1335118180' post='5922381']
um, as a lightray, don't they WANT light monsters banished? ya know, so they can do things?
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Half of them want the Graveyard full actually. And, Gold Sarco's better.

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[quote name='byakklon Omega' timestamp='1335118499' post='5922393']
Waste of a normal summon?
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This is pretty much my biggest gripe with it.

The banish is even fine, if not for this. If it was easier to get out, it'd still be good, but as is it's just ugh with the Lv. 5+ Light SS cost. It would combo with Leviair nicely and everything, but this is just... no.

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If it were a Level 3 LIGHT Fiend, everyone is happy.

[quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1335118644' post='5922403']

This is a -1
Gold Sarc is a -1
Logic?
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Gold Sarc activates (-1)
Gold Sarc adds stuff (+1)

That, my friend, is a +0.

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[quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1335118675' post='5922404']
If it were a Level 3 LIGHT Fiend, everyone is happy.
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[img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100729211148/yugioh/images/thumb/1/14/FabledKushanoHA02-EN-SR-1E.jpg/300px-FabledKushanoHA02-EN-SR-1E.jpg[/img]

I wouldn't be ;~;

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[quote name='Tsukasa Hiiragi' timestamp='1335118644' post='5922403']
This is a -1
Gold Sarc is a -1
Logic?
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I can't think of anything good to do with a Lightray Grepher on the field so that's more or less another card spent.

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