Lonk Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [center][IMG]http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120628041909/yugioh/images/8/8b/MadolcheChateau-REDU-EN-OP.jpg[/IMG][/center] [center]When this card is activated: Shuffle all "Madolche" monsters in your Graveyard into the Deck. All "Madolche" monsters on the field gain 500 ATK and DEF. If a monster(s) in your Graveyard would be returned to the Deck by the effect of a "Madolche" monster, you can add it to your hand instead.[/center] [center]Have at it, YCM[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Absolutely awful design that should never have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Hitting it with MST has no drawbacks. It adds lots of ATK to your Madolches and allows for (slow) infinite recycling. It's also very searchable. The only drawback is that respinning your Madolches is mandatory, so it may kill the fuel for Queen Tiaramisu...unless you have Ticket, in which case it nets you a free Madolche. What is bad about this card's design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='newhat' timestamp='1343592055' post='5992032'] Hitting it with MST has no drawbacks. It adds lots of ATK to your Madolches and allows for (slow) infinite recycling. It's also very searchable. The only drawback is that respinning your Madolches is mandatory, so it may kill the fuel for Queen Tiaramisu...unless you have Ticket, in which case it nets you a free Madolche. What is bad about this card's design? [/quote] You restock all these Madolches you want to Loop/Float with, you can never lose any monster advantage, it's stupid searchable, and you get +500 to boot? What's NOT bad about the design? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1996592282' post='5992036'] You restock all these Madolches you want to Loop/Float with, you can never lose any monster advantage, it's stupid searchable, and you get +500 to boot? What's NOT bad about the design? [/quote] I suppose it's overpowered, then. Is it just too much good at once, or is one particular effect stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 29, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Don't forget that it laughs at your opponent's Dark Hole/TT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSektor Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 Why all this hate on Madolche lately? They act like Wind-up or Gadgets anyway. Can OTK and swarm the field, but are fragile as f***...in fact, they're even worst then Wind-up and Gadgets in terms of being playable. Also, Chateau is not badly designed, Ultimate offering is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Rai Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='HSektor' timestamp='1343593293' post='5992050'] Why all this hate on Madolche lately? They act like Wind-up or Gadgets anyway. Can OTK and swarm the field, but are fragile as f***...in fact, they're even worst then Wind-up and Gadgets in terms of being playable. Also, Chateau is not badly designed, Ultimate offering is. [/quote] Chateau is bad design .-. As are Madolches. > The entire archetype was basically designed round the card; either that, or Chateau was designed to abuse Madolche's quirk as much as possible. > LOLFLOATERS > "Can OTK and swarm the field" your words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blake Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='HSektor' timestamp='1343593293' post='5992050'] Why all this hate on Madolche lately? They act like Wind-up or Gadgets anyway. Can OTK and swarm the field, but are fragile as f***...in fact, they're even worst then Wind-up and Gadgets in terms of being playable. Also, Chateau is not badly designed, Ultimate offering is. [/quote] The hate on Madolche is a response to people heralding Madolche and fangasming over them. They have been brought to life by, as I shall call you, "Serots" and the people that realize how piss poor design they are, as I shall call them, are the "Kafks". And Rekindling wasn't top tier for the longest time because other stuff could spam better. Was it good design? The ability to never lose monster advantage is absolute bull, the 500 is just plain stupid, and the recycling just enables OTKs. At that, the OTK is NOT the only variant, so no, Offering is not the main problem with Madolche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FF Fan Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 ^Didn't realize madloches were so overpowered. Why aren't they being used much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toffee. Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='FF Fan' timestamp='1343595774' post='5992086'] Didn't realize madloches were so overpowered. Why aren't they being used much?[/quote] Because they lack a Dragon-Type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343590845' post='5992020'] Absolutely awful design that should never have been made. [/quote] They have been making a lot of cards like this lately... It's really annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 What is a Graveyard? I honestly don't remember since I've started playing Madolches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1343596271' post='5992097'] What is a Graveyard? I honestly don't remember since I've started playing Madolches. [/quote] The place you put your spells and traps when you're done using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agro Posted July 29, 2012 Report Share Posted July 29, 2012 [quote name='Canadian' timestamp='1343596271' post='5992097'] What is a Graveyard? I honestly don't remember since I've started playing Madolches. [/quote]The place you need to send your Madolches to if you want them returned to the Deck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSektor Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 [quote name='.Rai' timestamp='1343593650' post='5992057'] Chateau is bad design .-. As are Madolches. > The entire archetype was basically designed round the card; either that, or Chateau was designed to abuse Madolche's quirk as much as possible. > LOLFLOATERS > "Can OTK and swarm the field" your words, not mine. [/quote] [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343593840' post='5992060'] The hate on Madolche is a response to people heralding Madolche and fangasming over them. They have been brought to life by, as I shall call you, "Serots" and the people that realize how piss poor design they are, as I shall call them, are the "Kafks". And Rekindling wasn't top tier for the longest time because other stuff could spam better. Was it good design? The ability to never lose monster advantage is absolute bull, the 500 is just plain stupid, and the recycling just enables OTKs. At that, the OTK is NOT the only variant, so no, Offering is not the main problem with Madolche. [/quote] Alright, alright. Maybe it is kinda bad design, but come on. The idea was pretty neat at start and you know...an archtype NOT based on grave. But Ultimate offering still on blame for many OTKs, not only with Madolche deck. And Madolche is almost nothing if you take out Chateau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newhat Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 [quote name='HSektor' timestamp='1377108341' post='5992312'] Alright, alright. Maybe it is kinda bad design, but come on. The idea was pretty neat at start and you know...an archtype NOT based on grave. [/quote] I define any Deck that Macro Cosmos shuts down as based on Grave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Warden Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 The boost should've been 200/200, 500/500 is too much. That's what made Necrovalley so OP with Gravekeepers during its time; aside from it's actual effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 [quote name='Yuzuru Otonashi' timestamp='1343593840' post='5992060'] the 500 is just plain stupid [/quote] How is that stupid? They have very low ATK for their levels, don't they? Also I really liked the archetype at the begining, but they did make it a bit "hateable" with all the recycling they have going on. (Although I must confess I still like them very much :S ) Imo, the problem with Chateau is the recycling it enables. Maybe if it was a bit more restricted it wouldnt have been as awful as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azuh Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 We should all remember when Return of the Duelist was coming out in Japan, everyone here called them terrible and a waste of card space. Now everyone is praising them and calling them broken. Love you ycm >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Doodle Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 [quote name='Azuh' timestamp='1343652801' post='5992674'] We should all remember when Return of the Duelist was coming out in Japan, everyone here called them terrible and a waste of card space. Now everyone is praising them and calling them broken. Love you ycm >_> [/quote] Well that's actually true. they WERE horrible and now they ARE broken. I dont think someone ever said they will never be good, they were just very unsupported... Also I think the same thing was with wind ups. they just needed more good cards or support to be good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonk Posted July 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 [quote name='-Doodle' timestamp='1343654430' post='5992679'] Well that's actually true. they WERE horrible and now they ARE broken. I dont think someone ever said they will never be good, they were just very unsupported... Also I think the same thing was with wind ups. they just needed more good cards or support to be good... [/quote] Like Wind-Ups, they will get their own "Shark". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suibon Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 [center]So I wake up and see that a whole archetype that has a Field Spell that makes its denizens Sinister Serpents on crack.[/center] [center]Sleep is wrong.[/center] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
This Account is Unplayable Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 idgi, they're either an OTK deck or the most stale control deck in existence. What's actually fun about playing them? .-. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeppeli Gyro Supreme Posted July 30, 2012 Report Share Posted July 30, 2012 They're also completely unusable with 90% of other cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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