thekazu4u Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 My Gorz for Special Summons didn't work out so well, so why not make a Trageodia for Special Summons? [img]http://yugico.com/customcard/88792.jpg[/img] When your opponent Special Summons a monster: You can Special Summon this card from your hand. This card gains 500 ATK for each card in your hand. When a monster would be Summoned, OR when a Spell Card, Trap Card or Effect Monster's effect is activated that includes an effect that Special Summons a monster(s): Discard 1 card; negate the Special Summon OR activation, and destroy that card. -Based on hand, like Trageodia, so it is not overly swingy and card advantage is encouraged. -Designed to be exactly 100 ATK points higher than Laggia if summoned on first turn. -Does not negate Black Garden xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [img]http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111002193556/yugioh/images/thumb/2/28/CyberDinosaur-CT07-EN-SR-LE.jpg/300px-CyberDinosaur-CT07-EN-SR-LE.jpg[/img] Konami has been there, and done that. The ATK effect is...generic. It's hilariously overpowered. A spell speed slower Solemn Warning, but is constantly reusable, and has a laughable cost. Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byak Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote]When a monster would be Summoned, OR when a Spell Card, Trap Card or Effect Monster's effect is activated that includes an effect that Special Summons a monster(s): Discard 1 card; negate the Summon OR activation, and destroy that card.[/quote] what an awful idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Love of Ghibli Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Curious is it worded to where the discard isn't really considered cost..giving it even more potential than the floating negator (which is somehow a less special Solemn Warning and an almost better Herald of Perfection) nevertheless I guess that effect would still benefit fableds. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted August 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 The discard is worded as a cost, there is a semicolon afterward. And how does Cyber Dinosaur negate Special Summons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 WTF is this? It a reusable SS2 version of Solemn Judgment. You must be very crazy to do this! What were you thinking when you made this monstrosity? I highly suggest researching the meta before you make your cards. Card Grammar: 10/10 Balance: 1/10 Viability: 9/10 Total: 20/30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Tigerwolf Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 If this was real...I'm sorry but I'll quit Yugioh. D: Free 2000 ATK Warning first turn, Draw and go into monster plays? I wouldn't even doubt that Konami has something like this planned for Yugo players in the future...its an instant staple to ANY deck and the effect just makes the user a skill-less piece of.... sry was getting ahead of myself >_< but I think we've all explained that point. If you intend to still allow it to negate effects, I suggest you make it "Once per turn" and restrict it on a certain type of way a monster is Summoned (SS by condition, SS by Effect Monster's effect, SS by Spell, SS by Trap)...and depending on 1 of those will it be chosen to be a staple or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sander Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1344095465' post='5997233'] And how does Cyber Dinosaur negate Special Summons? [/quote] If you can't understand that Cifer used Cyber Dinosaur as an example, then you're more inept than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted August 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 I don't know if this changes anyone's opinion of the card but I meant to make it negate Special Summons only, not Normal Summons. How about I were to make it work like Royal Oppression where either player could do it? I honestly don't see what is so bad about a 2000 ATK monster + 1-for-1s that negate Special Summons though. It can't negate the summon it was Special Summoned out by, and if you think a "free" 2000 ATK monster on first turn is terrible see Cyber Dragon. Special Summons need some negation, and 1-for-1s do not seem an incredibly imbalanced way to do so. [quote] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]If you can't understand that Cifer used Cyber Dinosaur as an example, then you're more inept than I thought. [/quote][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Its an incredibly bad example because it shares all of 1 effect with my card. [/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathanael D. Striker Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Honestly, that wouldn't work. Oppression was banned for a reason and you can be discarding things you need in the Grave. I think the discard makes it more broke than Oppression, yet the same thing goes for your opponent. Eh, I think you should scrap this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
宇佐見 蓮子@C94 Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Wat... The hell... Wait, this just in, game balance has now crumbled to nothingess and thousands of YGO players quit playing Yu-Gi-Oh forever due to the release of this card. OT: An Unilimited Solemn Judgement that can use it's effect multiple times in a row with a measly "cost" that actually benefits some decks rather than hamper it. [i]Totally Balanced, yes? [/i]I also have a question for you: Is the negation effect compulsory? Like Doomcaliber or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted August 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]OT: An Unilimited Solemn Judgement that can use it's effect multiple times in a row with a measly "cost" that actually benefits some decks rather than hamper it. [/size][/font][/color][i]Totally Balanced, yes? [/i][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]I also have a question for you: Is the negation effect compulsory? Like Doomcaliber or something? [/quote][/size][/font][/color] [font="tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#5a5a5a"][size=3]Obviously, otherwise it would need "can" and would become used in decks that Special Summon themselves.[/size][/color][/font] [font="tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif"][color="#5a5a5a"][size=3][quote] [/size][/color][/font][color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Honestly, that wouldn't work. Oppression was banned for a reason and you can be discarding things you need in the Grave. I think the discard makes it more broke than Oppression, yet the same thing goes for your opponent. Eh, I think you should scrap this. [/quote][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]The reason Oppression was banned is because it was a guaranteed +1 and was only killable in a 1-for-1 unless you played more traps face down.[/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]This thing will eat up your hand very fast and can be killed in battle rather easily.The only decks that would lose to it are decks that Special Summon for even the smallest of monsters, which is a bad strategy anyway. [/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1344115192' post='5997463'] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Its an incredibly bad example because it shares all of 1 effect with my card. [/size][/font][/color] [/quote] ...except, ya know, it's your WHOLE CONCEPT. You wanted a Tragoedia. You wanted a summon when the opponent summoned. Konami has done it. As said by others, your effect is broken beyond belief. Even Konami isn't that bad. And that's saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thekazu4u Posted August 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]...except, ya know, it's your WHOLE CONCEPT. You wanted a Tragoedia. You wanted a summon when the opponent summoned. [/quote][/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Uh, there are plenty of those. That is like calling Cyber Dinosaur a Dragon-Ice. It isn't. [/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Trageodia gains advantage based on cards in hand.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Trageodia has an effect where you discard from hand to seriously f*** up your opponent, but thus lowers its attack.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]The only effect I didn't keep was the level manipulation part. [/background][/size][/font][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankee Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 [quote name='thekazu4u' timestamp='1344121341' post='5997550'] [/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Uh, there are plenty of those. That is like calling Cyber Dinosaur a Dragon-Ice. It isn't. [/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Trageodia gains advantage based on cards in hand.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]Trageodia has an effect where you discard from hand to seriously f*** up your opponent, but thus lowers its attack.[/background][/size][/font][/color] [color=#5A5A5A][font=tahoma, helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3][background=rgb(251, 253, 254)]The only effect I didn't keep was the level manipulation part. [/background][/size][/font][/color] [/quote] And in turn made it broken beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thar Posted August 4, 2012 Report Share Posted August 4, 2012 Discarding 1 card to negate a Special Summon is incredibily abusive and broken. And the Special Summon conditions make it even more of a b*tch for your opponent to prevent. Considering the mechanics of the game evolving, Special Summoning has become more pervasive than Normal Summoning has been before Special Summoning was even invented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Crouton Posted August 5, 2012 Report Share Posted August 5, 2012 I'm pretty sure a searchable (by Sangan and Mystic Tomato) Cyber Dinosaur with a better SS effect and a built-in infinite Solemn Warning is bad design. I'm pretty sure Gadgets, Thunder Dragon, and Thunder Seahorse would love this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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